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Hesperius	Posted - 2011.06.20 23:56:00 - [1] Currently on Sisi you can launch bombs and deploy warp disruption probes. No hic, no anchorable bubbles. I don't see it in the patch notes, so I wonder if this is someone messing around with what could be done, or if this is one of those things someone changed and forgot to write down. Good thing we wont have to wait long to find out! Video!
Creepy Goat Collateral.	Posted - 2011.06.20 23:57:00 - [2] Damnit why did you ahve to make a post about it. edit it before it is seen ----
Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:01:00 - [3] Bubbles in low sec? ..are you joking? _ _________ _ "You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view - until you climb into his skin and walk around in it."
Tobias Sjodin Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:02:00 - [4] Originally by: Atticus Fynch Bubbles in low sec? ..are you joking? PLEASE, MAY IT BE TRUE! PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEASEEE! HABIT
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:04:00 - [5] Originally by: Atticus Fynch Bubbles in low sec? ..are you joking? Two things: - Watch the video in the OP. - http://bit.ly/mAM515 -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Frau Klaps Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:05:00 - [6] Bubbles AND gate guns? Sounds good to me ~~~
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Heretic Army B A N E	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:05:00 - [7] Awesome. Is this the lowsec fix we have been waiting on for so long?
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:07:00 - [8] I just tested bombs, works fine.
Euphonus	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:07:00 - [9] Trying to decide whether this will be awesome or gay.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:08:00 - [10] Originally by: Frau Klaps Bubbles AND gate guns? Sounds good to me This On a personal note, eve site says Incarna Available Now but CCP lied to me Originally by: Xenuria I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.

Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:10:00 - [11] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 21/06/2011 00:10:00 Bubbles are reported to also work in high sec now. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Tobias Sjodin Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:11:00 - [12] If this is true, there will be ****. HABIT
Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Awesome. Is this the lowsec fix we have been waiting on for so long? How will bubbles fix low-sec? While I would love to see bubbles in low sec (and even high sec), with the current state of low-sec it would be devastating if nothing else is changed as well. Making sentries shoot dictors and their bubbles if it scrambles a neutral would be an option to alleviate this. Treat the bubbles as smartbombs and then they could even be used in highsec.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:14:00 - [14] Oh no. This means likely one thing: an extended, extended downtime. --
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Heretic Army B A N E	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:18:00 - [15] Quote: Making sentries shoot dictors and their bubbles if it scrambles a neutral would be an option to alleviate this. Treat the bubbles as smartbombs and then they could even be used in highsec. Shouldnt they do this by default anyway?
Wa'roun Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:18:00 - [16] Bombs and temp bubbles in low sec sure may help with running blobs in fw and make use of little used skills of those expensive destroyers and bombs sitting around. High sec would be stupid with all the people going through gates that are not enemies.
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:18:00 - [17] This is going to make for an EPIC patch. I need to get my alts into high sec!! -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Hesperius	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:19:00 - [18] Sentry guns do not shoot the bubbles.
Tobias Sjodin Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:19:00 - [19] Originally by: Wa'roun Bombs and temp bubbles in low sec sure may help with running blobs in fw and make use of little used skills of those expensive destroyers and bombs sitting around. High sec would be stupid with all the people going through gates that are not enemies. But don't you realize, it would be FUN! EVE certainly could use a dosage of that. HABIT
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:23:00 - [20] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Awesome. Is this the lowsec fix we have been waiting on for so long? No this plus nerfing unprobeable ships will just insure that low sec will be even more empty than before.

Frau Klaps Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:23:00 - [21] Anchor bubble > anyone flying into it gets you Concorded > unable to unanchor bubble because everyone is getting you concorded every time you undock ~~~
Tobias Sjodin Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:25:00 - [22] Originally by: Frau Klaps Anchor bubble > anyone flying into it gets you Concorded > unable to unanchor bubble because everyone is getting you concorded every time you undock There is no concord in low-sec. HABIT
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Frau Klaps Anchor bubble > anyone flying into it gets you Concorded > unable to unanchor bubble because everyone is getting you concorded every time you undock Jump clone to low sec... problem solved. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Raid'En	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:29:00 - [24] i do'nt see how that will fix low sec, as bubbles are the big fear of nullsec, if they put them on low, then one of the good things for travelers wil disapear from low, making people going less on low sec. and so less targets for you guys.
Frau Klaps Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:30:00 - [25] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Frau Klaps Anchor bubble > anyone flying into it gets you Concorded > unable to unanchor bubble because everyone is getting you concorded every time you undock There is no concord in low-sec. I know there's some complete morons on the forums but this was in reference to bubbles working in high-sec. ~~~
Jaroslav Unwanted	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:31:00 - [26] Originally by: Frau Klaps Anchor bubble > anyone flying into it gets you Concorded > unable to unanchor bubble because everyone is getting you concorded every time you undock Sounds good and its funny... Tho CONCORD doesn't shoot pods xD
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:31:00 - [27] Edited by: Breaker77 on 21/06/2011 00:31:44 Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Frau Klaps Anchor bubble > anyone flying into it gets you Concorded > unable to unanchor bubble because everyone is getting you concorded every time you undock There is no concord in low-sec. Evading Concord is an exploit! Now, if it was setup so you couldn't jump or dock while the bubble was up, then sure let them in highsec
Grey Stormshadow Starwreck Industries	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:33:00 - [28] If concord is in bubble it can not do anything. ------------------------------------------------- Play with the best - die like the rest starwreck.com - support the cause :)
Tobias Sjodin Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:34:00 - [29] Originally by: Frau Klaps Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Frau Klaps Anchor bubble > anyone flying into it gets you Concorded > unable to unanchor bubble because everyone is getting you concorded every time you undock There is no concord in low-sec. I know there's some complete morons on the forums but this was in reference to bubbles working in high-sec. Thread name and OP is about low-sec, also ... as been mentioned, anchorable bubbles do not work in low-sec (or highsec) on sisi. HABIT
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Heretic Army B A N E	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:35:00 - [30] Originally by: Raid'En i do'nt see how that will fix low sec, as bubbles are the big fear of nullsec, if they put them on low, then one of the good things for travelers wil disapear from low, making people going less on low sec. and so less targets for you guys. Dunno, what keeps me and I'd guess most people that pvp mainly in lowsec from nullsec apart from the occasional roam is more the hotdrop happyness and overkill response even a small gang prompts. (Though admittely, lowsec is going in that direction as well.)

Mars Theran Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:36:00 - [31] WoohooO!! Awesome!
Frau Klaps Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:38:00 - [32] Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted Originally by: Frau Klaps Anchor bubble > anyone flying into it gets you Concorded > unable to unanchor bubble because everyone is getting you concorded every time you undock Sounds good and its funny... Tho CONCORD doesn't shoot pods xD try unanchoring a bubble in your pod. ~~~
Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:39:00 - [33] Originally by: Hesperius Sentry guns do not shoot the bubbles. Does scrambling a neutral with a bubble count as an criminal offense?
Grey Stormshadow Starwreck Industries	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:39:00 - [34] Anyways... OP mentions only bombs and probes in his post so lets leave the daydreams behind :) ------------------------------------------------- Play with the best - die like the rest starwreck.com - support the cause :)
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:40:00 - [35] Edited by: Tippia on 21/06/2011 00:42:22 Yeeesà I bug reported that one almost a month ago. They had accidentally all the sec-level based "lauch" restrictions, so both bombs and interdiction probes could be used in high and lowsec. Even more fun was the fact that you could launch a bomb at a highsec station and not trigger any response, as long as you only hit the station. The mail response they sent said that, when the fix hits TQ will depend on whether it can be part of a hotfix or if it requires a big fix (i.e. a full build release). There was a fix for it at the time though, at least according to the bugreport mailà àthe actual bug ticket, however, mentions that it couldn't be reproduced ù hopefully because they did actually put that fix in. But if you can still do it on Sisi, 27 days after it was reported, 25 days after it was reportedly fixed internally, then who knows. But it was only those two launched effects ù you still couldn't anchor bubbles or use an unscripted WDFG, so should it slip though, the highsec mayhem will be (every so slightly) limited. And yes, CONCORD does indeed take a dim view to people being caught in dictor bubbles. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:44:00 - [36] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Originally by: Raid'En i do'nt see how that will fix low sec, as bubbles are the big fear of nullsec, if they put them on low, then one of the good things for travelers wil disapear from low, making people going less on low sec. and so less targets for you guys. Dunno, what keeps me and I'd guess most people that pvp mainly in lowsec from nullsec apart from the occasional roam is more the hotdrop happyness and overkill response even a small gang prompts. (Though admittely, lowsec is going in that direction as well.) Funny to see BANE complain about that, tbqfh. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Heretic Army B A N E	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:48:00 - [37] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 21/06/2011 00:48:37 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Lilith Velkor Dunno, what keeps me and I'd guess most people that pvp mainly in lowsec from nullsec apart from the occasional roam is more the hotdrop happyness and overkill response even a small gang prompts. (Though admittely, lowsec is going in that direction as well.) Funny to see BANE complain about that, tbqfh. Really? I've spent all my eve career in a corps with at most 5 people active at peak times until faction warfare came out. I still prefer gangs of around 5 people, but there simply isnt much room for that anymore if you also have to pay for ships with your pvp. (And are living in an area that has more than 3 jumps per day traffic.)
Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:48:00 - [38] Well if CCP makes some slight changes to prevent low-sec to turn into the lock-down gatecamps that used to be the norm, I actually don't see big downsides to allowing bombs and dictor bubbles. It would be enough if the gate and stationsentries would pop the bubbles. It'll be like a smartbomb, only on a pricey ship that has no chance of tanking low-sec sentries. And using it in empire is fine, but comes with even a bigger risk then smartbombs. Putting one on Jita 4-4 for lulz would probably be enough to drop you below -5 in one go, so that is rather self-regulating.
Frau Klaps Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:51:00 - [39] :excellence: in action. ~~~
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:53:00 - [40] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 21/06/2011 00:53:44 Originally by: Lilith Velkor Really? I've spent all my eve career in a corps with at most 5 people active at peak times until faction warfare came out. I still prefer gangs of around 5 people, but there simply isnt much room for that anymore if you also have to pay for ships with your pvp. (And are living in an area that has more than 3 jumps per day traffic.) I'm not going to argue with you about this, beyond saying we do fine with small gangs. Ed: And no, not all our killmails are on BC. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter

Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:58:00 - [41] Originally by: Tobiaz Putting one on Jita 4-4 for lulz would probably be enough to drop you below -5 in one go, so that is rather self-regulating. I don't think you know very much about being flashy if you think that would stop LEGIONS of flashy pirates from bombing the 4/4 undock. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.06.21 01:01:00 - [42] We didn't want to use pirate implants anyways ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.
Mya ElleTerego Amarr The Hull Miners Union	Posted - 2011.06.21 01:01:00 - [43] will be a nice nerf to solopwnmobile motherships in lowsec.
Benri Konpaku	Posted - 2011.06.21 01:03:00 - [44] What they aren't telling you is that Concord will now patrol low sec too to compensate.
Ris Dnalor Minmatar Fleet of Doom RaVeN Federation	Posted - 2011.06.21 01:10:00 - [45] bombs in low sec = pure win :)
Gwenywell Shumuku	Posted - 2011.06.21 01:11:00 - [46] Originally by: Frau Klaps :excellence: in action. the new theme is :deliver: (see fanfest), they didn't mention "in what state"
Lilith Velkor Minmatar Heretic Army B A N E	Posted - 2011.06.21 01:22:00 - [47] Originally by: Liang Nuren I'm not going to argue with you about this, beyond saying we do fine with small gangs. Ed: And no, not all our killmails are on BC. Whatever floats your boat, its your subscription afterall. I mostly enjoy very small gangs too, doesnt mean I leave fleets though when we have a megablob of 10-12 savages roaming though... to each their own.
Frau Klaps Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.06.21 01:38:00 - [48] Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku Originally by: Frau Klaps :excellence: in action. the new theme is :deliver: (see fanfest), they didn't mention "in what state" Thanks for the info. I will update my sarcasm to be more in line with current CCP failure ~~~
Grey Stormshadow Starwreck Industries	Posted - 2011.06.21 11:21:00 - [49] Edited by: Grey Stormshadow on 21/06/2011 11:21:58 Originally by: Hesperius Currently on Sisi you can launch bombs and deploy warp disruption probes. No hic, no anchorable bubbles. I don't see it in the patch notes, so I wonder if this is someone messing around with what could be done, or if this is one of those things someone changed and forgot to write down. Good thing we wont have to wait long to find out! Video! Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 21/06/2011 00:42:22 Yeeesà I bug reported that one almost a month ago. They had accidentally all the sec-level based "lauch" restrictions, so both bombs and interdiction probes could be used in high and lowsec. Even more fun was the fact that you could launch a bomb at a highsec station and not trigger any response, as long as you only hit the station. The mail response they sent said that, when the fix hits TQ will depend on whether it can be part of a hotfix or if it requires a big fix (i.e. a full build release). There was a fix for it at the time though, at least according to the bugreport mailà àthe actual bug ticket, however, mentions that it couldn't be reproduced ù hopefully because they did actually put that fix in. But if you can still do it on Sisi, 27 days after it was reported, 25 days after it was reportedly fixed internally, then who knows. But it was only those two launched effects ù you still couldn't anchor bubbles or use an unscripted WDFG, so should it slip though, the highsec mayhem will be (every so slightly) limited. And yes, CONCORD does indeed take a dim view to people being caught in dictor bubbles. Ok... jokes aside... What OP said and what Tippia said... are the devs aware about this, has it been fixed or is this coming to TQ today? ------------------------------------------------- Play with the best - die like the rest starwreck.com - support the cause :)
Probably Alt	Posted - 2011.06.21 11:50:00 - [50] Originally by: Grey Stormshadow Edited by: Grey Stormshadow on 21/06/2011 11:21:58 Originally by: Hesperius Currently on Sisi you can launch bombs and deploy warp disruption probes. No hic, no anchorable bubbles. I don't see it in the patch notes, so I wonder if this is someone messing around with what could be done, or if this is one of those things someone changed and forgot to write down. Good thing we wont have to wait long to find out! Video! Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 21/06/2011 00:42:22 Yeeesà I bug reported that one almost a month ago. They had accidentally all the sec-level based "lauch" restrictions, so both bombs and interdiction probes could be used in high and lowsec. Even more fun was the fact that you could launch a bomb at a highsec station and not trigger any response, as long as you only hit the station. The mail response they sent said that, when the fix hits TQ will depend on whether it can be part of a hotfix or if it requires a big fix (i.e. a full build release). There was a fix for it at the time though, at least according to the bugreport mailà àthe actual bug ticket, however, mentions that it couldn't be reproduced ù hopefully because they did actually put that fix in. But if you can still do it on Sisi, 27 days after it was reported, 25 days after it was reportedly fixed internally, then who knows. But it was only those two launched effects ù you still couldn't anchor bubbles or use an unscripted WDFG, so should it slip though, the highsec mayhem will be (every so slightly) limited. And yes, CONCORD does indeed take a dim view to people being caught in dictor bubbles. Ok... jokes aside... What OP said and what Tippia said... are the devs aware about this, has it been fixed or is this coming to TQ today? CCP will never publicly admit they f'ed up their code again , instead they will put in a hotfix after finishing the patching. Can you imagine the reimbursement demand when servers go live and you have people killed by bombs....well I can "our logs show nothing" Another great example of CCP's quality assurance and testing, guess everyone is on the PS3 quality testing Dust because they are not in EVE.

Hayaishi Gallente Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2011.06.21 12:02:00 - [51] on SISI now. I can't launch bombs in Rebelier. So.... fixed?
Illwill Bill For a fistful of Veldspar	Posted - 2011.06.21 12:05:00 - [52] Originally by: Ris Dnalor bombs in low sec = pure win :) Not emptyquoting. Not emptyquoting at all! Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
Louis deGuerre Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder	Posted - 2011.06.21 12:11:00 - [53] I doubt we'll see this live, but I am totally in support of bubbles and bombs in lowsec. ----- Malevolence. is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2011.06.21 12:17:00 - [54] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Tobiaz Putting one on Jita 4-4 for lulz would probably be enough to drop you below -5 in one go, so that is rather self-regulating. I don't think you know very much about being flashy if you think that would stop LEGIONS of flashy pirates from bombing the 4/4 undock. I was referring to the dictor bubble. Bombs would indeed be a different matter. It would make suicide ganking extremely easy.
Raneru Euphoria Released	Posted - 2011.06.21 12:24:00 - [55] Originally by: Tobiaz Originally by: Hesperius Sentry guns do not shoot the bubbles. Does scrambling a neutral with a bubble count as an criminal offense? It counts as aggression if they try to warp in the bubble so yes.
Hesperius	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:16:00 - [56] Can someone in low sec report what happened here?
Cletus Graeme North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:18:00 - [57] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 21/06/2011 00:10:00 Bubbles are reported to also work in high sec now. Jita 4-4 undock grapecage in 5...4...3...2...1
Soldarius Caldari Northstar Cabal Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:49:00 - [58] Bubbles and bombs in losec would be EPIC. I can't stand having to warp all over the place and deal with the stupid aggression/hidden aggression timers. Having certain classes of ships (SB/HIC/DIC) that can be flown in lo and are all but useless just stinks. Originally by: Krutoj You dont have a supercapital? buy PLEX trade it for ISK, buy supers. Just like any other mmo you can use your RL to pimp your character out (or tank for that matter).
Russel Williams Minmatar Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:18:00 - [59] Originally by: Soldarius Bubbles and bombs in losec would be EPIC. I can't stand having to warp all over the place and deal with the stupid aggression/hidden aggression timers. Having certain classes of ships (SB/HIC/DIC) that can be flown in lo and are all but useless just stinks. Confirming HICs and SBs are completely useless in low/high sec. [url=http://gallente.eve-kill.net?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=178287] [/url]
Abelard Nightbringer New Foundation	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:31:00 - [60] IF bombs/bubbles went live on TQ ever, you guys saying "YAY BOMBS" would be singing a different tune when absolutely everyone refuses to go to lowsec anymore. Then you'll just have your own kind to fight off, to see whos got the most bubbles and bombs. Or, as logic stands, youll all be sitting for hours on a gate with nothing to show for it, and only end up dying because the people then willing to enter lowsec will be coming well prepared. also, Russell, do i... know you?



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