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Uninhabited Caldari Apocalypse Now.	Posted - 2011.06.21 16:44:00 - [1] Originally by: CCP Salvo I'd be amiss if I didn't at least touch on the subject of recoil. :) With the new animation system the turrets were built on, we of course were able to add recoil to nearly all the turrets. The initial thought was that laser weapons should not have recoil, but this made it quite hard to test when the turrets shifted from the "active" state into the "fire", as it was only late in the process that we could hook the firing effects up to the turrets (due to technical reasons). We needed to see the shift visually and without the effect, the recoil animation was the only option. Why not then remove it afterwards? Well, we came to like some of those recoil effects, and simply did not feel that the amount of work required to remove them outweighed our affinity for them. It seems that CCP Salvo.. sunglasses Stuck to his guns.
Zoroa Aulx-Gao	Posted - 2011.06.21 16:44:00 - [2] Inb4 space science debate.
impli Singularity. Talon Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.21 16:46:00 - [3] Originally by: Uninhabited Originally by: CCP Salvo I'd be amiss if I didn't at least touch on the subject of recoil. :) With the new animation system the turrets were built on, we of course were able to add recoil to nearly all the turrets. The initial thought was that laser weapons should not have recoil, but this made it quite hard to test when the turrets shifted from the "active" state into the "fire", as it was only late in the process that we could hook the firing effects up to the turrets (due to technical reasons). We needed to see the shift visually and without the effect, the recoil animation was the only option. Why not then remove it afterwards? Well, we came to like some of those recoil effects, and simply did not feel that the amount of work required to remove them outweighed our affinity for them. It seems that CCP Salvo.. sunglasses Stuck to his guns. I say lasers have recoil :D just to cool them down.. :P
OverlordY	Posted - 2011.06.21 16:46:00 - [4] I like the recoil, accurate or not, it goes with the game.
jfkthesecond Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.21 16:47:00 - [5] Edited by: jfkthesecond on 21/06/2011 16:55:42 Edited by: jfkthesecond on 21/06/2011 16:49:37 think of it as blowback from superheated coolant used to cool laser unit vented to space edit: grammar mistake ps lots of grammar police in here i see
Jim Luc Caldari Rule of Five Split Infinity.	Posted - 2011.06.21 16:48:00 - [6] Recoil just is more cool. Period. Explosions in space is also cool (yet not scientifically possible in a vacuum)
Mightylink Caldari New Haven Enterprises Celestial Imperative	Posted - 2011.06.21 16:48:00 - [7] Hmm... how about the turret recoils not because of force but it does it on its own to cool off faster, the recoil shifts the gun back to expend heat for a split second. I have no idea, just trying to bring order to chaos :P
Mendolus Aurelius Federation Eternal Evocations	Posted - 2011.06.21 16:49:00 - [8] Edited by: Mendolus on 21/06/2011 16:49:45 Here's an easy one, the lasers recoil to vent the insoluble gas used to cool the chamber the focus crystals are housed in, Case closed, next? Edit: WOW, at least four or five of us must have had our Einstein cornflakes this morning,
impli Singularity. Talon Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.21 16:49:00 - [9] Originally by: jfkthesecond think of it as blowback from superheated coolant used to cool laser unit vented from space agreed // there is no water cooling system .. the space is cold enuff .so it went back to cool the super upper laser down :D
Riddick Liddell	Posted - 2011.06.21 16:50:00 - [10] The recoil is from the capacitor discharge.

Abrazzar	Posted - 2011.06.21 16:52:00 - [11] Yay for piezoelectric capacitors! --------
Discrodia Gallente Symbiosis International Moose Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.21 16:52:00 - [12] Well, explosions can happen in space. Just no fire. If there's a large enough quantity of gas/explosive material/plasma it can ignite briefly and explode, just for not as long as in an atmosphere. Originally by: anonymous WE JUST DID SCIENCE!
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.21 16:52:00 - [13] Originally by: Jim Luc Recoil just is more cool. Period. Explosions in space is also cool (yet not scientifically possible in a vacuum) recoil is cooler, and at least scientifically plausible. Explosions are also cool. and absolutely possible in space/vacuum... why would you think they wouldn't be? As for OP, it's a backwards arse way of getting a cool effect but in this case the ends definitely justify the means. -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.06.21 16:53:00 - [14] Why wouldnt they have recoil. Assume just for a moment that when you fire a laser with the activation cost of 95 GJ thats GIGA Joules (tachyon beam laser 2) , converts into 95,000,000,000 Watts per second. I don't care what anyone says but releasing that much energy out of the end of a barrel will definately cause some recoil.
Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.21 16:55:00 - [15] Originally by: Jim Luc Recoil just is more cool. Period. Explosions in space is also cool (yet not scientifically possible in a vacuum) Of course explosions are possible in space. Recently the US shot down an errant satellite while in orbit and yes, the thing exploded. Space is a vacuum with zero pressure. It's the perfect environment for explosions, so please explain your physics. _ _________ _ "You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view - until you climb into his skin and walk around in it."
Myfanwy Heimdal Caldari Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc	Posted - 2011.06.21 16:56:00 - [16] Well, it would release some form of energy for sure. And there would be one hell of a bang. And since it can't go anywhere in space then the shockwave would have to go into the ship. So, recoil could be one way of absorbing this energy before the laser turrets tear themselves off the ship.
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.21 16:59:00 - [17] Never underestimate the power of Writer's Fiat and Cool Factor. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.21 17:00:00 - [18] Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 21/06/2011 17:03:22 The real question here is why do EVE lasers create visible beams? A true laser does not create a visible beam. It only becomes visible when passing thorough medium like smoke or fog. So in effect, what EVE has are not true lasers at all, but are just called that. With that argument, it is possible for this "beam" weapon to have recoil. _ _________ _ "You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view - until you climb into his skin and walk around in it."
Maplestone	Posted - 2011.06.21 17:00:00 - [19] Originally by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao Inb4 space science debate. Although photons don't have mass, they have momentum thanks to mass-energy equivilence. So a laser does have recoil, proportional to the energy released. However, lasers tend to be far more efficient at delivering damage per unit of mass/energy compared to using the kinetic energy of a slug, so the recoil would be far less than what you would intuitively expect from experience with firearms. This all said, the physics of inertia has never been Eve's strong suit - every time turning off thrusters causes a ship to slow down, I wince a little :) (That sums up everything that needs to be debated, doesn't it?)
Auferre	Posted - 2011.06.21 17:01:00 - [20] Originally by: jfkthesecond think of it as blowback from superheated coolant used to cool laser unit vented from space That works as an explanation. (Besides, I gave up on Eve physics matching real-universe physics in week two, when I stopped kvetching about constant thrust vs. constant velocity. Now I just make stuff, shoot stuff and watch the pretty lights.)

Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.21 17:02:00 - [21] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Why wouldnt they have recoil. Assume just for a moment that when you fire a laser with the activation cost of 95 GJ thats GIGA Joules (tachyon beam laser 2) , converts into 95,000,000,000 Watts per second. I don't care what anyone says but releasing that much energy out of the end of a barrel will definately cause some recoil. conversion factor is 1 newton requires 300 mega watts of laser power. -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Miss Panky	Posted - 2011.06.21 17:03:00 - [22] Recoil is coooooooooooool. Science nerds are not
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.21 17:05:00 - [23] Originally by: Atticus Fynch The real question here is why do EVE lasers create visible beams? A true laser does not create a visible beam. It only becomes visible when passing thorough medium like smoke or fog. So in effect, what EVE has are not true lasers at all, but are just called that. With that argument, it is possible for this "beam" weapon to have recoil. we are flying space submarines and the light makes the water glow.... -------- By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig. Support Optional CQ
Vauss Dutan Caldari Rock and Stone	Posted - 2011.06.21 17:06:00 - [24] Edited by: Vauss Dutan on 21/06/2011 17:07:16 .
jfkthesecond Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.21 17:08:00 - [25] Originally by: Soden Rah Originally by: Atticus Fynch The real question here is why do EVE lasers create visible beams? A true laser does not create a visible beam. It only becomes visible when passing thorough medium like smoke or fog. So in effect, what EVE has are not true lasers at all, but are just called that. With that argument, it is possible for this "beam" weapon to have recoil. we are flying space submarines and the light makes the water glow.... supported. now where is the like button?
Lara Dantreb New Horizons	Posted - 2011.06.21 17:09:00 - [26] Edited by: Lara Dantreb on 21/06/2011 17:09:55 Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Why wouldnt they have recoil. Assume just for a moment that when you fire a laser with the activation cost of 95 GJ thats GIGA Joules (tachyon beam laser 2) , converts into 95,000,000,000 Watts per second. I don't care what anyone says but releasing that much energy out of the end of a barrel will definately cause some recoil. 95 GJ of light at 0.5¦m wavelenght = 2.4x10^29 photons each photon has a proper impulsion of 10^-27 kg.m.s^-1 2.4x10^29*10^-27 = 2400 kg thrust, wich is not big but enough for recoil see solar wind or solar sail in wikipedia for details cheers
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.06.21 17:10:00 - [27] Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 21/06/2011 17:03:22 The real question here is why do EVE lasers create visible beams? A true laser does not create a visible beam. It only becomes visible when passing thorough medium like smoke or fog. So in effect, what EVE has are not true lasers at all, but are just called that. With that argument, it is possible for this "beam" weapon to have recoil. Well if you go with astrophysical theory that there is a lot of random 'dust' in space just all over the place, then that can explain visible lasers.
Dotanaski	Posted - 2011.06.21 17:11:00 - [28] So what does this recoil actually means, like tracking going down after each shot? \|o.o\|
Mendolus Aurelius Federation Eternal Evocations	Posted - 2011.06.21 17:12:00 - [29] Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 21/06/2011 17:03:22 The real question here is why do EVE lasers create visible beams? A true laser does not create a visible beam. It only becomes visible when passing thorough medium like smoke or fog. So in effect, what EVE has are not true lasers at all, but are just called that. With that argument, it is possible for this "beam" weapon to have recoil. Capsule's on-board interface device interprets external data in the visible spectrum, don't you even know the slightest about the game's IP?
Atticus Fynch Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.21 17:13:00 - [30] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Originally by: Atticus Fynch Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 21/06/2011 17:03:22 The real question here is why do EVE lasers create visible beams? A true laser does not create a visible beam. It only becomes visible when passing thorough medium like smoke or fog. So in effect, what EVE has are not true lasers at all, but are just called that. With that argument, it is possible for this "beam" weapon to have recoil. Well if you go with astrophysical theory that there is a lot of random 'dust' in space just all over the place, then that can explain visible lasers. Well then space must be really dusty to create such bright beams. Someone get the vacuum cleaner. BTW, lasers have been shot to the moon (in real life) and guess what...no beam was visible. _ _________ _ "You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view - until you climb into his skin and walk around in it."



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