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Kamikaze jihawt	Posted - 2011.06.21 20:36:00 - [1] It is wrong for a ship to sit cloaked and probe down other ships, there needs to be a "balance" for this. My solution is that no ship that has launched combat probes can cloak up until those probes are completly recovered. This way pvp'ers can't just probe someone out with no risk of losing a ship. It's bad enough that it's extremely easy to probe someone out. Also combat probes should be target-able so that you can shoot them.
j1tabug IWINIWINIWIN	Posted - 2011.06.21 20:41:00 - [2] 1. You should be looking for combat probes in your d-scan instead of raging 2. Take a covert ops to a safespot and point it towards another SS while running your AB and 3-4 racial ECCM mods even with the new patch its going to be nigh on unprobable more so if you use some sig radius implants
Kamikaze jihawt	Posted - 2011.06.21 20:46:00 - [3] Originally by: j1tabug IWINIWINIWIN 1. You should be looking for combat probes in your d-scan instead of raging 2. Take a covert ops to a safespot and point it towards another SS while running your AB and 3-4 racial ECCM mods even with the new patch its going to be nigh on unprobable more so if you use some sig radius implants 1. no ****. 2. So what? At least the bastard is uncloaked and I have a very small chance of probing him down. I want to be able to target, and attack his probes if I come across them too.
Goose99	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:11:00 - [4] Originally by: j1tabug IWINIWINIWIN 1. You should be looking for combat probes in your d-scan instead of raging 2. Take a covert ops to a safespot and point it towards another SS while running your AB and 3-4 racial ECCM mods even with the new patch its going to be nigh on unprobable more so if you use some sig radius implants He doesn't want to be protected from the prober, he wants to kill the prober, as a prober himself, which is perfectly reasonable. Yes, probing should not be risk free, whether it's combat or core probes. Supported.
Vertisce Soritenshi SHADOW WARD Tragedy.	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:08:00 - [5] This would break scanning mechanics in WH's... Absolutely not a good idea. NO BOOBIES LEFT BEHIND!
Lynx Amurie Caldari Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:39:00 - [6] uh, no. this is almost as bad as the people crying about AFK cloaking and the carebears wanting local removed. this is a whine about a vital game mechanic. probers are completely useless if they can't actually probe. -------------------------------------------------- *Player versus asteroid: We win 99.9% of the time!* You can log off any time you like, but you can never quit.
Eperor	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:26:00 - [7] Edited by: Eperor on 22/06/2011 11:28:08 Edited by: Eperor on 22/06/2011 11:27:29 suported good idea if if that gos only to combat probes not to usual scan probes. IF you wish take some one down put in efoce there and teka a risk not sit hided behind cauck. This not breaking usual probing but only combat probing makes a litle bit harder and risonable to give defender or defenders time to probe you out until you probing them out.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:50:00 - [8] A little excessive if you ask me and makes coverts all but useless for the task. At most, make actually running a scan with probes require you to decloak and in exchange cut the reactivation delay to 10s or so. If possible, being able to move probes while hidden would be optimal, but requires the move/scan functionality to be separated so not sure if doable.
vikari Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:31:00 - [9] Edited by: vikari on 22/06/2011 12:32:50 I agree with Kamikaze jihawt on this. The prober should have the same risk as the target. Making them uncloak to accomplish probing sounds like a great way to do it. A few additional points... probers can make safe points, nothing said they can't warp around while probing. Covert cloaks are for travel, they do nothing to add to security while probing, hell i can the same thing with a T1 cloak. It isn't until i want to warp that the covert cloak is important.
Ya Huei	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:57:00 - [10] Edited by: Ya Huei on 22/06/2011 12:59:37 Not supported the presence of combat probes in the system is visible on the directional scanner. If you are too lazy to use it, then thats your loss.
Eperor	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:02:00 - [11] Originally by: Ya Huei Edited by: Ya Huei on 22/06/2011 12:59:37 Not supported the presence of combat probes in the system is visible on the directional scanner. If you are too lazy to use it, then thats your loss. Yopu see only probes not ship, if its able to see ship and warp to it and kil it then itsoki but now its only probes wath i see that notinaf to kil that freek ko truing to scan me down more risk for such types need to be ion game not only safe scanintg waroping to target 3 sec lock scram and cyno up. victime dead tath safe for enganging force no risk at all .
Ya Huei	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:18:00 - [12] Originally by: Eperor Originally by: Ya Huei Edited by: Ya Huei on 22/06/2011 12:59:37 Not supported the presence of combat probes in the system is visible on the directional scanner. If you are too lazy to use it, then thats your loss. Yopu see only probes not ship, if its able to see ship and warp to it and kil it then itsoki but now its only probes wath i see that notinaf to kil that freek ko truing to scan me down more risk for such types need to be ion game not only safe scanintg waroping to target 3 sec lock scram and cyno up. victime dead tath safe for enganging force no risk at all . omgifucantproperlytypeonyourmobilepleaseuseyourpcinsteadcausethisisjustplainunreadable.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:57:00 - [13] Originally by: Goose99 Originally by: j1tabug IWINIWINIWIN 1. You should be looking for combat probes in your d-scan instead of raging 2. Take a covert ops to a safespot and point it towards another SS while running your AB and 3-4 racial ECCM mods even with the new patch its going to be nigh on unprobable more so if you use some sig radius implants He doesn't want to be protected from the prober, he wants to kill the prober, as a prober himself, which is perfectly reasonable. Er, why do you think that the prober is probing you out? If you want to gank the prober, just sit still for 30 seconds and you'll get your chance.
sabre906	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Ya Huei Edited by: Ya Huei on 22/06/2011 12:59:37 Not supported the presence of combat probes in the system is visible on the directional scanner. If you are too lazy to use it, then thats your loss. This only helps those who want to hide. We don't want to hide, we want to kill the prober, which is currently impossible.
Naomi Knight	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:09:00 - [15] Edited by: Naomi Knight on 22/06/2011 14:09:50 Originally by: j1tabug IWINIWINIWIN 1. You should be looking for combat probes in your d-scan instead of raging 2. Take a covert ops to a safespot and point it towards another SS while running your AB and 3-4 racial ECCM mods even with the new patch its going to be nigh on unprobable more so if you use some sig radius implants no, there should be a warning if you are being probed down--> less stupid scanner spam --> more fun , less lag
Ya Huei	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:20:00 - [16] Originally by: sabre906 Originally by: Ya Huei Edited by: Ya Huei on 22/06/2011 12:59:37 Not supported the presence of combat probes in the system is visible on the directional scanner. If you are too lazy to use it, then thats your loss. This only helps those who want to hide. We don't want to hide, we want to kill the prober, which is currently impossible. Well I can't one shot a titan. maybe I should petition that too, it's about as rediculous as this suggestion.
Fwaming Dwagon	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:29:00 - [17] Edited by: Fwaming Dwagon on 22/06/2011 16:31:01 Originally by: Ya Huei Originally by: sabre906 Originally by: Ya Huei Edited by: Ya Huei on 22/06/2011 12:59:37 Not supported the presence of combat probes in the system is visible on the directional scanner. If you are too lazy to use it, then thats your loss. This only helps those who want to hide. We don't want to hide, we want to kill the prober, which is currently impossible. Well I can't one shot a titan. maybe I should petition that too, it's about as rediculous as this suggestion. Don't be rediculous, any prober who launches COMBAT drones to gain intelligence on the position of a target is in fact engaging in an indirect form of combat. All other ships are required to be uncloaked when they engage in combat, so should the prober.
tooearly forflapjacks	Posted - 2011.06.22 16:36:00 - [18] I support this idea as well.
Im Super Gay	Posted - 2011.06.22 17:08:00 - [19] Originally by: Fwaming Dwagon Edited by: Fwaming Dwagon on 22/06/2011 16:31:01 Don't be rediculous, any prober who launches COMBAT drones to gain intelligence on the position of a target is in fact engaging in an indirect form of combat. All other ships are required to be uncloaked when they engage in combat, so should the prober. What about locator agents and passive targeting and ship scanning? They're also in the realm of information combat. Here's the thing, in all of these examples, they haven't attacked you. For all you know the prober could leave the system and do nothing with the information obtained. As was pointed out, wait. 30 seconds and then you'll get your chance to kill the prober. Let's not forget that by default probes are at a disadvantage while probing because they're on the map view and don't have their full attention on what's going on around them. Hence why cov ops got the scanning bonuses.
Kamikaze jihawt	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:19:00 - [20] Originally by: Im Super Gay Originally by: Fwaming Dwagon Edited by: Fwaming Dwagon on 22/06/2011 16:31:01 Don't be rediculous, any prober who launches COMBAT drones to gain intelligence on the position of a target is in fact engaging in an indirect form of combat. All other ships are required to be uncloaked when they engage in combat, so should the prober. What about locator agents and passive targeting and ship scanning? They're also in the realm of information combat. Here's the thing, in all of these examples, they haven't attacked you. For all you know the prober could leave the system and do nothing with the information obtained. As was pointed out, wait. 30 seconds and then you'll get your chance to kill the prober. Let's not forget that by default probes are at a disadvantage while probing because they're on the map view and don't have their full attention on what's going on around them. Hence why cov ops got the scanning bonuses. locator agents dont pinpoint your exact location, and passive targeters dont cloak. waiting 30 seconds means you have to wait on their terms to fight. If you can probe them down as they probe you then its a more even battlefield, imo. like the second poster in this thread pointed out there are other measures these probers can take to stay somewhat safe, but it gives you a fighting chance to get them at least, and no this wont destroy combat probing.
Ya Huei	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:09:00 - [21] Edited by: Ya Huei on 22/06/2011 21:11:18 Originally by: Fwaming Dwagon Edited by: Fwaming Dwagon on 22/06/2011 16:31:01 Originally by: Ya Huei Originally by: sabre906 Originally by: Ya Huei Edited by: Ya Huei on 22/06/2011 12:59:37 Not supported the presence of combat probes in the system is visible on the directional scanner. If you are too lazy to use it, then thats your loss. This only helps those who want to hide. We don't want to hide, we want to kill the prober, which is currently impossible. Well I can't one shot a titan. maybe I should petition that too, it's about as rediculous as this suggestion. Don't be rediculous, any prober who launches COMBAT drones to gain intelligence on the position of a target is in fact engaging in an indirect form of combat. All other ships are required to be uncloaked when they engage in combat, so should the prober. I find alot of my targets using just the directional scanner. I suppose that should make me drop out of cloak too then, following your logic offcourse. lolz
Kamikaze jihawt	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:55:00 - [22] That doesn't follow my logic since the directional scanner doesn't pinpoint a target's location.
Ophelia Ursus	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:00:00 - [23] get out Signature removed.
Swynet State War Academy	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:43:00 - [24] The sames wining about improbable tengu's are now wining because they want to probe free risk. No, that shouldn't even exist since you forced CCP to admit that nothing should be improbable, witch includes covrrt ops, bo's, reccons. Difficult yes, impossible no. You wanted it? -you've got it.
Ya Huei	Posted - 2011.06.23 20:15:00 - [25] Originally by: Kamikaze jihawt That doesn't follow my logic since the directional scanner doesn't pinpoint a target's location. That's great but I wasn't quoting you now was I ?
Fwaming Dwagon	Posted - 2011.06.23 20:20:00 - [26] Edited by: Fwaming Dwagon on 23/06/2011 20:20:42 Originally by: Ya Huei Originally by: Kamikaze jihawt That doesn't follow my logic since the directional scanner doesn't pinpoint a target's location. That's great but I wasn't quoting you now was I ? It doesn't matter tbh. Logic is logic, if it's correct logic than it all points to the same results/conclusions.

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