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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Mastiff Who do CCP think they are? Apple or something?
Yes.
Or, wellà no. Apple has reasonable pricing and provides good support and feedback for the price.
Cf. $99 for an undocumented API. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: stoicfaux Prices should be at most, 1/10 of what they are now. Even then, the monocle would still be outrageous.
àyeah, but then they would have to make sure that more of them get destroyed to keep the demand up and the cash rolling in. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Posted - 2011.06.21 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Klingon Admiral This is the end of Micropayment
Let the glorious age of Macropayment begin!
Wellà micro = 10^-6, so really, this should be megapayment (10^6). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Aiwha Actually, its an ISK sink. I think I get what CCP's doing here. They didn't want you to go out and purchase plex for cash to buy this stuff, they wanted people to grind up 2 billion isk to buy a space monocle.
It's not an ISK sink. No ISK is being removed here ù only traded between players. This is a PLEX sink. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:03:00 -
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You knowà I just got very worried about Dust's MT model. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Adacia Calla
Originally by: Hildegaard Russell
Originally by: Morrigun Rakari You know, I think CCP have failed to grasp precisely what the word "Micro" in "Microtransactions" actually means.
Hugely expensive items is not how to make money from cash shops, CCP. People don't buy one $15 - they buy 20 75c items.
Exactly, if they were 1$ each I'd buy a dozen, but 30-80$ for a single item is ****ing ******ed.
Also, if they wanted to create an in-game market and fill up order in the "Apparel" category, this won't do it ù to get that market flowing, you need hundreds, if not thousands of buy and sell orders being entered and filled. With these prices, people will buy one. For themselves. And never put it on the market. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: Silver Night All of that is, in a nutshell, what the economics of micro-transactions are. That goes hand-in-hand with the psychological side, which is that people are much more likely to make a $5 impulse buy than a $50 one.
That's what makes this entire thing so baffling. The problem isn't that CCP is being greedy. If they were being greedy (or at least being greedy correctly), the item prices would be much lower. Instead, it just looks like they are being stupid, which makes no sense given how many intelligent people seem to work there, and how many resources they've put into this.
Spot on. The reason Apple has made a killing with the iOS App store is pretty much the same thing: people will buy a bajillion $0.99 apps, but they would never in a lifetime buy two half-bajillion apps or four quarter-bajillion apps.
The cost for those things are so low that people buy stuff just to try them out becauseà hey, it's less than a buck, so what if it turns out to be crap? *Click*done*whocares* → money in the bank. You make the price so low that it's no longer even remotely an factor in the decision process, and as a result, people are pouring money on them ù money they wouldn't have spent if the prices were higher. You see the same in the Mac App store: apps that previously cost $30û50 now cost half or a third that, and the developers are making bank like never before because you've removed (or at least massively rasped down) that decision threshold. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted Point is .. its clever move from CCP .. now all the whining threads about insane prices... will actually prove that people wants it.
No. It only proves that people understand how and why microtransactions work and that they're surprise and dismayed that CCP don't know thisà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:49:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 22/06/2011 06:50:55
Originally by: Tron Flux I read 22 pages of this thread and what I mostly see in between the full stops is, "I can't afford it without spending RL money."
I'd say that those people (myself included) aren't the target market because those aren't the people unbalancing the game.
The assumption here is that, since it's an MT shop, it's there for CCP to make money. The problem is that, with the current prices, it will utterly fail to serve that purpose because no-one will buy additional PLEX to feed into the ship. The PLEX market will remain completely the same once the patch-day speculation dies down.
As someone said in one of these threads (can't keep track any more): they've managed to price themselves out of their own monopoly ù they are the only vendor in the market, and they've made sure people won't choose that vendor.
If they want to make money off of it, they need volume and velocity, not high price and ε sales. By setting the AUR price that high, and by making sure that ù to compensate ù the stuff is hard to lose, they've killed both the primary demand and any chance of a secondary market. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Aderata Nonkin Did any of you actually stop and think that the pricing might NOT be deliberate
Considering that the CCP reps have said it is deliberate, why would anyone stop and think that?
Quote: Wait and see what happens. Wait for a representative from CCP to clarify the situation.
They already have. Read the thread. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Turelus ú12.50 for a virtual T-Shirt I lose when I die in game? AWESOME I WILL SPEND THAT RIGHT NOW!
As someone mentionedà
àthe two Quafe shirts I got for spending $$áon the HD Fanfest stream suddenly turn out to be the bargain of a lifetime. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:50:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 22/06/2011 07:51:41
Originally by: Yldrad I don't get it. One day ago, people was complaigning about item mall. Now they're complaigning that they can't buy this stuff.
A few days ago, people were complaining that CCP didn't understand what certain items in an MT store would do to the economy, now they're complaining about CCP's obvious lack of any hint of understanding of what makes an MT store work to begin with.
Both complaints were about the competence of CCP, and while the first might be more damaging to the game world, the second seems to suggest a level of competence that might directly damage CCP itself. Neither is good for the game.
Originally by: Malcanis Hmmm, what to spend this 1.3 bill ISK on: useless space-monocle that no-one else can see anyway or a Bhaalgorn?
Decisions, decisions...
Easy decision. The Bhaalgorn looks good ù the monocle salt shaker jammed into your eye socket does not. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen What a stinking surprise, MT won't be CCP's new revenue stream of choice. Who woulda guessed?? Well, anyone that actually listened to their intentions for the MT store to begin with.
àjust one problem, they've picked a price range that means they can't live up to those intentions either. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:55:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 22/06/2011 09:55:27
Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen Can anyone show me where CCP has stated that "micro" transactions (lets stop splitting hairs and just say cash bought items, micro/macro whatever) were supposed to be the new income model?? As in, replace subscription fees?
I don't think anyone is claiming that. People are saying they're a supplemental income model (which in and of itself has annoyed quite a few through the logic of if you already pay for the game, why do you have to pay even more to get all the content?). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:03:00 -
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Btw, in all of this, where's the actually EVE-themed clothing we saw in the Incarna/WIS/Ambulation previews from 2-3 years ago? The stuff I might actually have considered spending a few hundred AUR on?
It's nice and all that they're consulting fashion designers, but are they going to produce early '10s-style fashion or EVE fashion? People are still looking for the return of the designs we saw in the old character creator, because they fit the mood and setting of the game far better than anything the current clothes selection (including the NeX) has to offer. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Posted - 2011.06.22 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Beor0d You don't like it? Then don't buy it! You think it is to expensive? Don't buy it! Monocles doesn't fit your hair color? Don't buy it!
Don't read the thread? Then don't respond to it! ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 22/06/2011 12:42:19
Originally by: Devil's Call I have a simple solution. If you think that 10.7 monocle's aren't worth as much as a Nyx or Aeon... _Don't buy them?_
For roughly the bazillionth time: that is not the problem. The problem is that it highlights some pretty devastating problems with CCP's design and decision-making processes, not to mention (as always) their communication skills.
We knew that they had no clue about how to communicate with the community and process feedback. What we didn't know was that they were also clueless about how and why MT works, even as they were about to introduce an MT shop into their game.
Originally by: Evenflare Gidrine Prices for PLEX have gone through the roof recently due to people stockpiling them and thus having this as an option removes that high price for those of us who WANT to play but cant 100% afford to spend RL money.
àjust one problem: this only serves to increase the PLEX price. Dipstick.
Quote: Summary is thus: Dont like the Arum prices dont purchase it.
See above: that's not the issue. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:56:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 22/06/2011 12:58:11
Originally by: Evenflare Gidrine How this works? Supply/demand + people paying REAL money + market for said item that is bought/traded with INGAME currency thus enabling those who wish to have free accounts to do so?
What he's asking is how you figure that an increased demand will lead to lower prices.
Quote: Am I missing something here? Again are people just posting for the sake of a 1k post thread? If you dont wish to use the feature dont and many people claim that they wont but when its settled it will be sorted. Why continue the discussion?
Because, yes, you are missing something, namely the problem with CCP's dev team that this highlighted by this implementation. That is a fairly important detail to discuss. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Marwood Ford But we're not looking at a particularly high-end product. The Noble Exchange exists within an already established gaming market, and a pair of virtual trousers already has a perceived worth. The Noble Exchange is attempting to inflate that perceived worth to a degree that many find simply ludicrous, and I don't think it's wrong to question the strategy.
àand to put that perceived worth into perspective, compare the $15-average NeX prices to, say, these skin/dress/pet/emote/service prices. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Posted - 2011.06.23 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Spacing Cowboy A real question for the eve history buffs.
Was there ever a ****storm/riot this size before?
The speed nerf. But that was more a case of it being a storm because the wind was blowing in both directions at once, some being vociferously for the change, others being equally vociferously against it. I can't remember seeing anything quite so one-sided before in my time here (which, admittedly, is just half the life of the game). ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
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