I saw around that ccp wanted to make tracking disruptors work on missiles now i dont think this idea is entirely a good one and i will exsplain why.

Missiles (all types) have less dps than guns but for this dps loss we get far greater range than guns.

If they make td's work on missiles sudenly our dps could be cut down even more than it already is compared to guns.

I think if they make td's work on missiles it should be a different td module for missiles only.

Here is how i think this module should work it should be mid slot like all ewar and not be a targeted system so in a fight you turn it on and leave it on if people are firing missiles at you.
This module would try to disrupt any missile fired at you some missiles could go haywire some may just shut off and the rest may do less than there total dps.

This module would not effect any missiles not fired at you so if your buddy is next to you and gets fired at there will be no disruption to the incoming missiles.

Here is why i think this module would be better than an ordanary td being able to disrupt missiles.
1 - There are not that many pvp ships out there that solely use missiles (there may be more than i think but there is no way its even close to 50/50 with guns)
2 - if an ordanary td could disrupt missiles the number of pvp ships using missiles would drop even more. (because we already lack the dps compared to guns a td would just ruin our time)
3 - A dedicated td module for missiles would mean that only people who know there going up against missiles would use it and there for in the small gang and solo pvp enviroment missiles would almost be uneffected.

Please reply and tell me what you think of this idea i use missiles and i know i am verry worried about how this will effect my small scale pvp gangs.

About pvpers don't using missiles: are you kidding? Drake Blobs souds familiar to you?
If you check the new kestrel in F&I forum you will see that it get a damage bonus for ALL missiles.

Also missiles ALWAYS hit. Turrets don't, that's why turrets gets all those mods to increase tracking.

I would really like a counter to missiles, currently we have fail-defender that can only be fitted on missile boat.

Yes i heard of drake blobs but in general pvp guns are used more than missiles.

And you can avoid missiles if you go fast enough you can outrun the explosion vilocity.
And its easy to do a cruiser can avoid torps and cruse missiles easy.

Look, IMO its good idea TD to affect missiles, but missiles to receive overhaul:

That they get near instant damage application (within 1s)

That explosion velocity and explosion radius penalties become better balanced and easier to overcome. Turret ships can overcome sig resolution and low tracking speed in various ways (TE, scripted TC, target painting, rigs), missiles cant. TP solves only sig resolution to some extent, not explosion velocity which needs expensive rigs. Also, in a turret ship I can chose to rig metastasis rig, to use TC, to use TE, or to use target painter. Missile users cant.

That Caldari ships get true selectable damage rather than being bonused for Scourge. It always seemed strange, that ship is bonused for one of many warhead types it can use. From sci-fi perspective it makes no sense. Like tank thats bonused for SABOT? Hell that makes absolutely no sense.

That chance to hit is introduced, comparable somewhat to tracking with guns, so that players can use their skill to decrease incoming damage - but very little compared to guns.

YOu say missiles wouldnt work in PVP otherwise, well idk, but everyone and their dog tanks against kinetic (Guardians for exampel, Hellcats), and kinetic is one of naturally highest resists on most ships. Only T2 Minmatar ships have kinetic hole.
But problem is not missiles themselves, but kinetic damage bonus on most Caldari ships.

With my idea, missiles would become on par with turrets even for sniping, and will become better than now. However theres no reason TD to be sub-par compared to ECM and SD, and not affect missiles too.

Also about TDs affecting missiles, why should they? Unless you are locking onto the missile itself, I don't see any reason why using a TD should affect missiles.

It can affect guidance system of the missile, or their proximity sensors.

And about your statement above that psot: delayed damage is bad. Missiles will either be very like guns or very sub-par because of that. And if they get instant damage application, making them always hit to would be too much.

Much can be retained of their unique abilities even with variable chance to hit: great damage projection, selectable damage and being hard to evade ("get under the guns").

But tracking disruptors affect turrets, not ammo.

I was kind of being sarcastic because the changes you suggested would make the missile launchers too similar to turrets. What would be the point of having missiles if you are just going to turn them so similar to turrets for the sake of 'balance'?

Sorry if it comes across as being rude but I'm not really a fan of the balance thing... I prefer things to make sense for the sake of immersion and keeping things believable. It makes sense that ships should be balanced because the navies would design ships to be competitive with the other empires and for those ships to be effective in various situations and operations. It doesn't make sense that missiles should be balanced with guns because missiles are not guns.

why FFS Caldari Navy would waste funds designing long range sniping missile ships when enemy can just warp off? How that adds to the immersion and is believable?

Turrets have an advantage over missiles since they can switch to short range, high damage ammo and do alot more damage without changing the fitting. A missile ship cannot do this. They do equal damage over all ranges. Which can be good and bad at the same time.

So turrets have a more flexibility here. In addition they can *blap* smaller ships just by maneuvering. To make missile ships really effective against smaller ships (not wearing them down slowly) they need to be fitted especially for that job.

In exchange missiles are more or less ewar immune. It's all good imho. TDs affecting missiles would lead to imbalance. Especially if all this could be done by one module. TDs are omnipresent already. If they would affect missiles as well they would become a mandatory module.

Yes i heard of drake blobs but in general pvp guns are used more than missiles.

And you can avoid missiles if you go fast enough you can outrun the explosion vilocity.
And its easy to do a cruiser can avoid torps and cruse missiles easy.

And you can avoid missiles if you go fast enough you can outrun the explosion vilocity.
And its easy to do a cruiser can avoid torps and cruse missiles easy.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20

Heavy Missile Launcher II is by far the most used single weapon in EVE, with more kills than the next 5 weapons all together. Out of the top 20, the four missile weapons account for 38.69% of kills. So yeah, while your statement is true, all other weapons systems have over 60% of the top 20 kills, but if missiles weren't so OP, they would represent a far smaller share of the total kills. Just based on the amount of ship hulls with missile weapon bonuses, compared to turret hulls.

Never trust a statistics which you haven't faked yourself. Lets take a look at the Minmatar Killboard for August 2012:

http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=1285&m=8&y=2012&view=ships_weapons

So what do we find? 280mm Howitzer Artillery II is the top killer number one by far!
Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile is at place 11.

What do we learn from this: Your link is bullshit. It doesn't say anything. Heavy Missile Launchers are popular because Drakes and Tengus are so popular. Does it say anything about how good or bad missiles are performing? No. In fact if you need 20 people to pop one target with missiles (because of low dps) and you need only one Scorch Pulse Laser guys to do the same you statistics would even say the opposite: Missiles would be counted 20 times while Laser only 1. From this follows: Missiles are so weak that you need much more of them to get any target killed.

Never trust a statistics which you haven't faked yourself. Lets take a look at the Minmatar Killboard for August 2012:

http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=1285&m=8&y=2012&view=ships_weapons

So what do we find? 280mm Howitzer Artillery II is the top killer number one by far!
Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile is at place 11.

What do we learn from this: Your link is bullshit. It doesn't say anything. Heavy Missile Launchers are popular because Drakes and Tengus are so popular. Does it say anything about how good or bad missiles are performing? No. In fact if you need 20 people to pop one target with missiles (because of low dps) and you need only one Scorch Pulse Laser guys to do the same you statistics would even say the opposite: Missiles would be counted 20 times while Laser only 1. From this follows: Missiles are so weak that you need much more of them to get any target killed.

Never trust a statistics which you haven't faked yourself. Lets take a look at the Minmatar Killboard for August 2012:

http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=1285&m=8&y=2012&view=ships_weapons

So what do we find? 280mm Howitzer Artillery II is the top killer number one by far!
Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile is at place 11.

What do we learn from this: Your link is bullshit. It doesn't say anything. Heavy Missile Launchers are popular because Drakes and Tengus are so popular. Does it say anything about how good or bad missiles are performing? No. In fact if you need 20 people to pop one target with missiles (because of low dps) and you need only one Scorch Pulse Laser guys to do the same you statistics would even say the opposite: Missiles would be counted 20 times while Laser only 1. From this follows: Missiles are so weak that you need much more of them to get any target killed.

No. In fact if you need 20 people to pop one target with missiles (because of low dps) and you need only one Scorch Pulse Laser guys to do the same you statistics would even say the opposite: Missiles would be counted 20 times while Laser only 1. From this follows: Missiles are so weak that you need much more of them to get any target killed.

Wait...

So you're saying that if CCP introduces a new weapon system that requires hundreds to pop even a single ship then that weapon system will consequently be used hundreds of times more than others?

You really don't see the problem with your 'logic' of missiles do 20 times less damage, therefore you need 20 times more, thus they are used 20 times more?

If those Scorch Pulse Lasers were as good as you say then those 20 pilots would be using Scorch Pulse lasers because they'd be 20 times as good.

But they're not. They're using Heavy Missile Launchers. Because at some point they or their FCs looked into things and compared Heavy Missiles with the other options available and decided that Heavy Missiles were the superior choice.

I've no idea whether or not making TDs work on missiles is the right choice or not. But I do know that your argument is bad and you should feel bad.

Turrets have an advantage over missiles since they can switch to short range, high damage ammo and do alot more damage without changing the fitting. A missile ship cannot do this. They do equal damage over all ranges. Which can be good and bad at the same time.