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Lederstrumpf	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:15:00 - [1] And if I saw it right PLEX already fell about 20m. Lots of fun ahead. Hope CCP will feel the pain. :) When do you expect CCP to rapidly lower the vanity stuff prices just to be able to brag about them getting used in game? Well, I guess they'll brag anyway.
Gillaboo	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:25:00 - [2] It's a simple case of RL economics impacting game economics... many people just don't have the spare cash to drop on PLEX. It will interesting to see the QEN that covers this time period for Incarna, and the data for PLEX during Incarna.
Sacred Vengeance Amarr Sinister Elite Supremacy.	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:29:00 - [3] Originally by: Lederstrumpf And if I saw it right PLEX already fell about 20m. Lots of fun ahead. Hope CCP will feel the pain. :) When do you expect CCP to rapidly lower the vanity stuff prices just to be able to brag about them getting used in game? Well, I guess they'll brag anyway. When you have to pay 68$ for a monocle (according to kotaku) you get kinda turned off. I also expect the prices to drop rapidly over the coming months. ╔═══════════════════╗ Sig To Be Made...
Lederstrumpf	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:34:00 - [4] Originally by: Gillaboo It's a simple case of RL economics impacting game economics... many people just don't have the spare cash to drop on PLEX Question is: Would you be tempted if you had some cash / extra PLEX? The answer for most is a definite "NO!".
Lilandras Kusanagi	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:17:00 - [5] Originally by: Lederstrumpf Hope CCP will feel the pain. :) Well, I guess they'll brag anyway. Why do you hope that the creator/operator of the game you like would suffer financially for giving you a free update to their game, and you happen to not care about some of the features?
Tutskii	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:19:00 - [6] Originally by: Lilandras Kusanagi Originally by: Lederstrumpf Hope CCP will feel the pain. :) Well, I guess they'll brag anyway. Why do you hope that the creator/operator of the game you like would suffer financially for giving you a free update to their game, and you happen to not care about some of the features? I missed the memo where EVE went Free to Play. Last I checked there was a dollar cost to playing the game and using the forums, which is even higher if you pay via PLEX. But really, what I think is that you should be tipping news sites about this instead of complaining on the message board. Shame is powerful. http://massively.joystiq.com/contact/tips/
Dethmourne Silvermane Gallente Saiph Industries SRS.	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:21:00 - [7] Originally by: Tutskii Originally by: Lilandras Kusanagi Originally by: Lederstrumpf Hope CCP will feel the pain. :) Well, I guess they'll brag anyway. Why do you hope that the creator/operator of the game you like would suffer financially for giving you a free update to their game, and you happen to not care about some of the features? I missed the memo where EVE went Free to Play. Last I checked there was a dollar cost to playing the game and using the forums, which is even higher if you pay via PLEX. I missed the part where EVE is obligated to provide expansions for free, instead of charging like Blizzard does.
Rellik B00n Lethal Death Squad	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:25:00 - [8] Precedence and previous history and historical data concerning what happens to free items that becomethings you pay for. Thats why free expansions. . -IRON MIKE IS hi sec lolwarrior-
Tutskii	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:28:00 - [9] Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane Originally by: Tutskii Originally by: Lilandras Kusanagi Originally by: Lederstrumpf Hope CCP will feel the pain. :) Well, I guess they'll brag anyway. Why do you hope that the creator/operator of the game you like would suffer financially for giving you a free update to their game, and you happen to not care about some of the features? I missed the memo where EVE went Free to Play. Last I checked there was a dollar cost to playing the game and using the forums, which is even higher if you pay via PLEX. I missed the part where EVE is obligated to provide expansions for free, instead of charging like Blizzard does. http://www.eveonline.com/features/ Quote: Free expansions and game enhancements included with subscription But really, what I think is that you should be tipping news sites about this instead of complaining on the message board. Shame is powerful. http://massively.joystiq.com/contact/tips/
Scorpii Zenith Minmatar Ancient Heat	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Sacred Vengeance Originally by: Lederstrumpf And if I saw it right PLEX already fell about 20m. Lots of fun ahead. Hope CCP will feel the pain. :) When do you expect CCP to rapidly lower the vanity stuff prices just to be able to brag about them getting used in game? Well, I guess they'll brag anyway. When you have to pay 68$ for a monocle (according to kotaku) you get kinda turned off. I also expect the prices to drop rapidly over the coming months. Just buy it with ISK... I mean that we are making ISK, if we aren't spending it? Not all are playing for lagfleets in 0.0 or ganking haulers in lowsec... It's good way to put ISK on the move. ISK for me is just ISK, fake money. Now I can buy fake items with fake money, just like I can buy ships, mods, etc etc. I do not value these in real money, this is just a game for me.

Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:49:00 - [11] Originally by: Scorpii Zenith Just buy it with ISK... I mean that we are making ISK, if we aren't spending it? Not all are playing for lagfleets in 0.0 or ganking haulers in lowsec... It's good way to put ISK on the move. ISK for me is just ISK, fake money. Now I can buy fake items with fake money, just like I can buy ships, mods, etc etc. I do not value these in real money, this is just a game for me. There is a 2 billion ISK monocle in Amarr, come buy it. No? Never mind then. My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
Crazy Janks Minmatar Super Fantastic Flaming Rainbow Ponies	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:02:00 - [12] I was watching with you in Jita today, the contracts and then market. I got lucky with one buy order on the quafe shirt, after a few folks got lucky with boots it seems. Then it died out. Not just buy orders but sell orders as well. PLEX though I kept seeing bounce from 385 to 392. And it's not the crazy weekend yet.....
LarcatOfZion Red Federation	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:04:00 - [13] Originally by: Crazy Janks I was watching with you in Jita today, the contracts and then market. I got lucky with one buy order on the quafe shirt, after a few folks got lucky with boots it seems. Then it died out. Not just buy orders but sell orders as well. PLEX though I kept seeing bounce from 385 to 392. And it's not the crazy weekend yet..... Last night buys were at 375 for a good chunk of time....
Dretzle Omega Caldari Ozeki Corp.	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:32:00 - [14] Then CCP is accomplishing exactly what they want. They can price the objects so that developing them pays for itself. If people say they want monocles but aren't willing to pay what it costs for Graphics Designers/Developers to make them, then CCP won't make more of them and they'll spend time on the stuff we do want (and/or not hire extra developers for that stuff). Originally by: Akita T BTW, if you see God when you're clutching for your chest due to sudden realization you have no chance to get out of this with your wallet intact tell him he still owes me money
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:43:00 - [15] Originally by: Lederstrumpf When do you expect CCP to rapidly lower the vanity stuff prices just to be able to brag about them getting used in game? They will not drop the price, they'll increase the amount of AUR you get per PLEX... Why do I say that? Because it's the smart thing to do.. Follow the logic here. For a single item you really can't see the the effect, but for multiple items you will. Let assume they reduce all the items by 1 whole zero. Monocle = 1,200 AUR Shirt = 300 AUR Pants = 360 AUR Boots = 100 AUR So now 1 PLEX gets you the whole wardrobe. You also have less room to play with prices. Each item goes up or down a little represents a larger % of the overall price. But if they added a zero to the AUR conversion rate... Monocle = 12,000 AUR Shirt = 3,000 AUR Pants = 3,600 AUR Boots = 1,000 AUR You can still buy the whole wardrobe for a single PLEX, but now they can play around with values better. If they wanted to increase the Monocle up by say 500 AUR, they can and it doesn't really show a great amount of increase, but tossing 500 AUR on something that costs 1,200 AUR will be a very noticeable. Increasing the conversion amount is easier as you don't have to adjust all the other items.. Which is easier to change anyway.. Adjusting all the items on the Noble Store, or just one item, the PLEX conversion rate... Amarr for Life
Lederstrumpf	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:48:00 - [16] Originally by: Lilandras Kusanagi Why do you hope that the creator/operator of the game you like would suffer financially for giving you a free update The update wasn't free. I'm still struggling to reconfigure my client due to configuration loss caused by the "quality expansion". I'm pretty confident these days money is the only language CCP would understand. So yes, it's because of "love for the game" & sandbox fun.
Lederstrumpf	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:50:00 - [17] Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane I missed the part where EVE is obligated to provide expansions for free, instead of charging like Blizzard does. The good thing when charging instantly: You get immediate feedback. Right in your face. Like we see with the vanity stuff right now.
Lederstrumpf	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:55:00 - [18] Originally by: SencneS Originally by: Lederstrumpf When do you expect CCP to rapidly lower the vanity stuff prices just to be able to brag about them getting used in game? They will not drop the price, they'll increase the amount of AUR you get per PLEX... Both is a can of worms, no? People would yet again lose confidence as there would be "random" devaluation of their already bought wardrobe... so why to buy vanity stuff at all when all CCP could decide to do right after is to devaluate it again?
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:00:00 - [19] Originally by: Lederstrumpf Both is a can of worms, no? I agree, but they did say the conversion rate is one that is going to be adjusted. The illusion is... They buy a Monocle for 12,000 AUR, doesn't matter how many zeros they add or take away from the conversion of PLEX->AUR, the Monocle is still 12,000 AUR. All that CCP are doing is devaluing AUR, which is less noticeable to the non-financially minded player. Amarr for Life
Vincent Athena	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:42:00 - [20] Here is my take on the Nex prices: CCP purposely made them very expansive in order to keep demand low. If demand was high, the PLEX could well go over 1 billion, causing massive rage. This way they get the idea out there and few transactions do occur for people who have alot of ISK or PLEX lying about without a massive PLEX market disruption. If I'm right, then in the future we will see items added to the store that cost less Aurum, added slowly enough to keep the PLEX market from doing anything too crazy. I do not expect the current item prices to drop or the exchange rate to increase as that hurts those who have already bought stuff. Just more, lower cost items to be added.

Amdor Renevat	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:43:00 - [21] Originally by: Dretzle Omega Then CCP is accomplishing exactly what they want. They can price the objects so that developing them pays for itself. If people say they want monocles but aren't willing to pay what it costs for Graphics Designers/Developers to make them, then CCP won't make more of them and they'll spend time on the stuff we do want (and/or not hire extra developers for that stuff). Or.... They could set a lower price and sell a higher number of items. The problem I see with their current pricing is that it caters to the rich minority. The "middle class" that makes up the bulk of subscriptions can't afford the current prices. Reduce the prices, open the items to the masses and make developing costs back and more. Have about 10% of the total inventory be high priced end game objects for the people that have played longer. Put the rest of the store at different levels of pricing to allow the average player to customize their brand new character and quarters so they feel a better connection to the game and subscribe longer.
Vasaczk	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:39:00 - [22] Edited by: Vasaczk on 22/06/2011 22:39:19 They should be priced slightly out of reach of the bulk of the player base. For the simple reason that it will attribute some sense of value on them (ignoring the whole virtual item thing for a second). You buy the items by either really wanting them or being super rich. So Akita gets a "free" Monocle. That's not really relevant. What is relevant is that the common man (you and I) have to pay a reasonably significant price and will only do so if we really want it, thus creating exactly the kind of demand scenario CCP want.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:28:00 - [23] CCP also want people to consume PLEX though.. Sometimes I think CCP think a bulk of the player base has the mentality of a child.. I can justify spending ISK on for PLEX to get something useful, or even cool looking, and the fact I get easily get billions of ISK at drop of a market dump means AUR is virtually worthless to me. However, I'm also smart enough to realize four PLEXes = $70 USD.. Most people are smart enough to see this, yet I'd bet ISK that CCP looked at this and said... it's ISK for AUR, funny space bucks for rich space bucks, so we'll price em uber high. I also tend to agree with high-price = rare item, so Joe the Jita beggar isn't walking around looking like everyone else. The problem is rare items become points of contention.. "Wow... look at that idiot, walking around with $110 USD worth of accessories.." It's not viewed a point of admiration or something to aspire to, it's viewed as a - An idiot and their ISK are soon parted -.... $70 for a monocle... Anyone that burned four PLEXES for a Monocle is nothing more than a joke in my eyes, I neither want the item or aspire to be a spendthrift idiot.. But sell it to me for $15 Real Currency and I'll get one in a heart beat.. Amarr for Life
Vasaczk	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:42:00 - [24] Originally by: SencneS CCP also want people to consume PLEX though.. Sometimes I think CCP think a bulk of the player base has the mentality of a child.. I can justify spending ISK on for PLEX to get something useful, or even cool looking, and the fact I get easily get billions of ISK at drop of a market dump means AUR is virtually worthless to me. However, I'm also smart enough to realize four PLEXes = $70 USD.. Most people are smart enough to see this, yet I'd bet ISK that CCP looked at this and said... it's ISK for AUR, funny space bucks for rich space bucks, so we'll price em uber high. I also tend to agree with high-price = rare item, so Joe the Jita beggar isn't walking around looking like everyone else. The problem is rare items become points of contention.. "Wow... look at that idiot, walking around with $110 USD worth of accessories.." It's not viewed a point of admiration or something to aspire to, it's viewed as a - An idiot and their ISK are soon parted -.... $70 for a monocle... Anyone that burned four PLEXES for a Monocle is nothing more than a joke in my eyes, I neither want the item or aspire to be a spendthrift idiot.. But sell it to me for $15 Real Currency and I'll get one in a heart beat.. Hrmmm... the problem is the items are liquid. Having two different mechanisms to get them (ISK sourced, RL$ inefficient and $ sourced, RL$ efficient) will break the whole PLEX model. Make direct $ purchased items non-tradable?
Lederstrumpf	Posted - 2011.06.24 14:52:00 - [25] Edited by: Lederstrumpf on 24/06/2011 14:53:23 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1533683 "CEOs - Ban Recruitment of Players Who Buy $Clothes" ^ Ha, ha -- As always there's a reason for things! Nice sandbox move! :-)
Wile EC	Posted - 2011.06.24 15:13:00 - [26] You guys have been crying because you can't afford the eye piece for two days, are't you done crying yet?
Covert Kitty Amarr ISK Solutions SRS.	Posted - 2011.06.25 00:05:00 - [27] Originally by: Wile EC drivel and stupidity


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