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Larissa Sunsorrow	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:28:00 - [1] It's a ****ing luxury store and not a poor man's bazar. If you have enough money you can show your fancy stuff. If you don't, just gtfo. I really don't get the whine.
Gwenywell Shumuku	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:29:00 - [2] Real rich ppl get the whine, usually with cheese, and talk about the vintage. You are just a wannabe, or else you woudn't even think displaying your RL-wealth in a GAME (lol?) is something worth doing.
Khaine Beralt Wolves Of Legend	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:30:00 - [3] Edited by: Khaine Beralt on 22/06/2011 12:30:53 Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow It's a ****ing luxury store and not a poor man's bazar. If you have enough money you can show your fancy stuff. If you don't, just gtfo. I really don't get the whine. Douche chill
Irulan Corinno Caldari 714th SQN - Snowflakes	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:33:00 - [4] Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow It's a ****ing luxury store and not a poor man's bazar. If you have enough money you can show your fancy stuff. If you don't, just gtfo. I really don't get the whine. Nice troll! Funny that in a world where capsuleers are supposed as filthy rich and earn more in a day than the average citizen in a lifetime the majority of those pod pilots can't even buy a simple skirt. VERRRY realistic!
Larissa Sunsorrow	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:43:00 - [5] Originally by: Irulan Corinno Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow It's a ****ing luxury store and not a poor man's bazar. If you have enough money you can show your fancy stuff. If you don't, just gtfo. I really don't get the whine. Nice troll! Funny that in a world where capsuleers are supposed as filthy rich and earn more in a day than the average citizen in a lifetime the majority of those pod pilots can't even buy a simple skirt. VERRRY realistic! you're playing a space game and I bet that you're a man irl and you're talking about realism? oh dude. if you want to show how rich you're just buy it, if you don't, just don't buy. why cry over some fancy clothes?
Inquisitor Bernardo Gui Amarr Holy Imperial Inquisition	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:46:00 - [6] Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow Originally by: Irulan Corinno Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow It's a ****ing luxury store and not a poor man's bazar. If you have enough money you can show your fancy stuff. If you don't, just gtfo. I really don't get the whine. Nice troll! Funny that in a world where capsuleers are supposed as filthy rich and earn more in a day than the average citizen in a lifetime the majority of those pod pilots can't even buy a simple skirt. VERRRY realistic! you're playing a space game and I bet that you're a man irl and you're talking about realism? oh dude. if you want to show how rich you're just buy it, if you don't, just don't buy. why cry over some fancy clothes? We're talking about consistency here. We all know that Gandalf in the movie is an actor that can't really conjure fireballs but giving him a ghettoblaster would be totally inconsistent.
Havegun Willtravel	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:51:00 - [7] Let me see if i can explain this to your small brain ccp dev alt. For over 4 years now people have patiently awaited this expansion as the supposed " Road to the Promised Land ". Even though a very large number of the loyal player base have said they're not really interested in it and they would greatly prefer other useful playable relevant content CCP persisted. Somehow this expansion was ' supposed ' to open the door to great new opportunities. Well log in 18 hours ago and what do i find. Prices so steep only a dispro moon god or chirriba could afford. Thus this is one of 2 things. Either it's an IQ test to once and for all clearly ( and now visually ) demonstrate who's an idiot and who's not or it's THE WORST EXPANSION EVER. Yes it's a luxury store, but , how does a pair of pants equal a Navy Domi ? Please explain to me how a monocle is worth more than a Machariel ? So 4 years of dev time ' invested ' in an expansion that when it gets released is at least useless and at worst ( my opinion) a slap in the face from CCP. Please explain to me if you can how all this time, that could have been used to fix or develop other features, will be any good if NO ONE USES IT ! If less than 1% of the player base bothers to buy clothes does that not equal fail for this expansion. If CCP stupidly sets the bar so high that only a micro minority can jump over it what's the use. The other 99% of players wont or cant participate and that makes this whole effort a huge waste. Everyone who undocks benefits from the new turret models ( even though i kinda prefer the old blasters to the new). New Maller is very nice. Who ever got put in charge of the Art Dept is WIN. ( Great job everyone involved - first the scorp and now this. looking forward to the new domi) These are features 99% of the player base WILL enjoy, not just the micro 1 %. EPIC FAIL imo and a huge blow to CCP's rep as far as i'm concerned. Could not have been done worse if you'd planned it.
Rrama Ratamnim	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:53:00 - [8] gotta agree, theres got to be some form of balance here... i understand its a luxury store... HOWEVER A MONOCLE that equates on screen to what 10 pixels? that only place other people will see it is in the portrait for now... that costs MORE THAN A DREADNAUGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reloadin	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:00:00 - [9] Maybe they should have called it the Povo Exchange instead of the NOBLE Exchange and charged 10isk for everything.
Dopesick Ice Hogz	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:02:00 - [10] Edited by: Dopesick on 22/06/2011 13:03:13 Monocle - Average price $30 http://nearsights.com/monocles.html Stealth Bomber - Average Price $2.1 Billion http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/man/uswpns/air/bombers/b2.html Yeah, I'd say that is comparable...
Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:03:00 - [11] Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow It's a ****ing luxury store and not a poor man's bazar. If you have enough money you can show your fancy stuff. If you don't, just gtfo. I really don't get the whine. So you like Incarna and you wouldn't mind if the next updates are all as content-starved as this one, focusing only on MT-items and eyecandy instead of actual additions to gameplay? Incarna is a sign of the new direction CCP has in mind for this game and I don't like it. Only blind fools ignore the marketing poison that is slowly dripping into EVE.
Oarta	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:05:00 - [12] I agree that it is fine to have really expensive items. I mean there should be really extravagant items and not everyone should be able to afford them. At the same time, people are way to focused on a single store items. As long as there are other more affordable ones, then there is something for everyone. So what if it costs over a billion isk. It is a permanent purchase, that cannot be destroyed while worn. You can't really say that about the rest of the items in EVE, some of which can cost many times that amount. No to be harsh, but the more posts I read it sounds more like people are complaining cause they really want it, but just can't afford it. This seems to be just crying versus a poor game mechanic.
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:08:00 - [13] Originally by: Irulan Corinno Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow It's a ****ing luxury store and not a poor man's bazar. If you have enough money you can show your fancy stuff. If you don't, just gtfo. I really don't get the whine. Nice troll! Funny that in a world where capsuleers are supposed as filthy rich and earn more in a day than the average citizen in a lifetime the majority of those pod pilots can't even buy a simple skirt. VERRRY realistic! The price of exclusive fashion items is has nothing to do with the what the items cost to produce and everything to do with the wealth of the people it is aimed at. If your aiming your exclusive fashion item at poeple who can afford to my capital ships by the dozen, you can charge a lot for your vanity items, in fact you would be daft not to.
FatRaps	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:09:00 - [14] Edited by: FatRaps on 22/06/2011 13:09:30 Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow It's a ****ing luxury store and not a poor man's bazar. If you have enough money you can show your fancy stuff. If you don't, just gtfo. I really don't get the whine. Its not a case of the money, we all have the money, its a case of alot of people having more money than sense, mostly american filth.
Mr Dilkington	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow It's a ****ing luxury store and not a poor man's bazar. If you have enough money you can show your fancy stuff. If you don't, just gtfo. I really don't get the whine. As others have said, its not the price that bothers us, its the fact that instead of content, we get CCP begging us for cash.
kongking wang Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:17:00 - [16] what you have to take into consideration is that us "poor" people are also paying for the implementaion and development of this feature. a feature which we cannot use. this is a game for all. it should not have the same wealth barriers that RL has.
Mini T Furyans Corp	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:20:00 - [17] You can buy clothes in Eve? Sustained Damage
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:21:00 - [18] Originally by: kongking wang what you have to take into consideration is that us "poor" people are also paying for the implementaion and development of this feature. a feature which we cannot use. this is a game for all. it should not have the same wealth barriers that RL has. Pretty sure the price of the items is meant to cover the cost of developing the items.
N'dayela	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:27:00 - [19] I imagine that the vanities at current prices will be more of a badge of shame for anyone wearing them once the station opens than anything else. I dont see how you could possible spend that much money on a monocle and not feel like a clown? I pretend the shop isnt there and only look at the what else the expansion brought. Im a minority in that the captains quarters have not been lagging me and the transition to the area is smooth and fast. So I can only complain about how little access there currently is to ambulation. I dont think ambulation can be really processed and appreciated until the whole thing has been deployed. Atm its like an amputated limb that seems surreal in its lack of function and purpose.
Mr R4nd0m	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:28:00 - [20] Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow It's a ****ing luxury store and not a poor man's bazar. If you have enough money you can show your fancy stuff. If you don't, just gtfo. I really don't get the whine. No you gtfo - take your stuff and leave the game - idiot
FatRaps	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:30:00 - [21] Originally by: Khamelean Pretty sure the price of the items is meant to cover the cost of developing the items. Pretty sure your a prick. No ones going to listen to you unless you change your pic, showing everyone that you have a monacle is basically saying "i am as thick as pig muck, and i only play eve to seek attention"
San Severina Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:36:00 - [22] i used to like admiring the finer points of my SPACESHIPS in the Hangar, if i spent 1.2 Billion ISK I got a pretty decent one I could admire for ages, then take out and shoot stuff with. they took that away from me & gave me a vanity item that looks pretty pathetic imo. I don't see how this is good. How is this good?
Joe SMASH You Got A Purty Mouth	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:42:00 - [23] Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow It's a ****ing luxury store and not a poor man's bazar. If you have enough money you can show your fancy stuff. If you don't, just gtfo. I really don't get the whine. Rich people (IRL) did not become rich, or keep their wealth, by buying $60 monocles and $25 t-shirts in a game. Majority of millionaires are actually really frugal. ----------------------------------- More stuff goes here.
Susiqueta Muir Disturbed Blood Astrometrics	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:42:00 - [24] My concerns over the whole microtransaction issue is from a dev-blog (can't remember which one so appologies there) where it was stated that the number of default (i.e. free) clothing and hair options etc. would actually be restricted further in the future and more emphasis placed on customisation through the Aurum store. With the current pricing it will remove a great deal of variety from the overall look and feel of the Avatars and will also place more reliance on purchasing. This is not good, especially if pricing remains as is. Watching the tech demos (with all the floating cloth effects etc.) I don't mind paying more for "Really flashy clothing (TM)" but not for what should really be a default range of items. If those with masses of in game wealth (you know who you are :) ) want to show off their elite status then so be it, but seemingly as the Pod pilots are meant to be a rare elite anyway, they shouldn't have to trade in a Marauder just to change their pants. What next? Premiere (i.e. more costly) accounts if you want to fly a capital ship or anchor a tower? Extreme examples I know, but not outside the realms of possibility. Maybe limit the options if you pay a cheaper monthly subscription, I dunno.... I just signed up with Champions Online as it is now free through Steam. As it's a superheroes game, there is a wealth of free options (plus some paid exclusive items) when it comes to character look and feel with thousands of possible permutations (all of which can be tweaked and tuned colour wise) for the look you are after. Yes I know it wouldn't work as well for Eve, but something more like this would be far better. How about the custom paint jobs options? I don't want to be given the option of 4 or 5 plexes needed just to tweak the look of the skip or to slap the corp. logo on the side. (Which surely should be dirt simple to implement with each ship having a dedicated flat texture panel by default that automatically shosw the logo, unless you deliberately don't display it...) Questions to CCP:- 1. Will the range of "clothing" remain the same for character generation? (including makeup, hair etc.) 2. Will it increase or decrease? 3. Will there be greater design flexibility (i.e. more non-gender specific options, greater colour ranges or "Tucking in" options for trousers etc?) 4. Will the pricing in the store be reviewed? 5. What is the CCP viewpoint on the current pricing and how it will vary over time? 6. When will we see a greater range of "priced" items and new item categories? SM.
Khamelean	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:53:00 - [25] Originally by: FatRaps Originally by: Khamelean Pretty sure the price of the items is meant to cover the cost of developing the items. Pretty sure your a prick. No ones going to listen to you unless you change your pic, showing everyone that you have a monacle is basically saying "i am as thick as pig muck, and i only play eve to seek attention" Pretty sure I got a monocle for the express purpose of seeing how many mentally undeveloped forum dwellers I could aggravate. Thank you for your tears.
Inquisitor Bernardo Gui Amarr Holy Imperial Inquisition	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:55:00 - [26] Edited by: Inquisitor Bernardo Gui on 22/06/2011 13:56:43 Originally by: Susiqueta Muir My concerns over the whole microtransaction issue is from a dev-blog (can't remember which one so appologies there) where it was stated that the number of default (i.e. free) clothing and hair options etc. would actually be restricted further in the future and more emphasis placed on customisation through the Aurum store. With the current pricing it will remove a great deal of variety from the overall look and feel of the Avatars and will also place more reliance on purchasing. This is not good, especially if pricing remains as is. I concur. If there was a vast range of available clothes then I wouldn't mind some extra premium elite pieces and accessoires. The more the better. But as it is now the normal range is very limited. We as Masters of the Universe and we all wear the same clothes because there's nothing much to choose from: it is counter immersive. It kills the whole idea of EVE's premise: that we are onmipotent Gods. That can't even afford a long leather jacket, or for the ladies: a simple skirt? Glasses? I do hope and pray that CCP wil add more options. Mid-range and cheap range AUR wardrobes, more "free" clothes.
N'maro Makari	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:02:00 - [27] Originally by: Khamelean Originally by: FatRaps Originally by: Khamelean Pretty sure the price of the items is meant to cover the cost of developing the items. Pretty sure your a prick. No ones going to listen to you unless you change your pic, showing everyone that you have a monacle is basically saying "i am as thick as pig muck, and i only play eve to seek attention" Pretty sure I got a monocle for the express purpose of seeing how many mentally undeveloped forum dwellers I could aggravate. Thank you for your tears. Hmm what? Oh sorry, I was just counting all the money I didnt spend.
Susiqueta Muir Disturbed Blood Astrometrics	Posted - 2011.06.22 15:47:00 - [28] What I'd expect price wise would be for one plex to equal the following:- 1 complete outfit (Feet, trousers/skirt, top and jacket plus "eyewear"). or 1 transferrable ship custom paint job (lost if ship is popped but can be moved from ship to ship) with corp logo. or one refitt of CQ (swap from amarr to Gallente etc...) As a bare minimum for pricing to be somewhat realistic.... SM.

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