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Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
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Posted - 2011.06.22 15:54:00 -
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One time a group of hackers were trying to break into my system. I fought them with cookie monsters and flu shots. However, in the end, my poor computer was lost. I can verify that software and hacks can break hardware permanently! I miss my Gibson. -----------------------------------
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 22/06/2011 16:04:16
Originally by: Mr Majestyk
To the poster above: It is the developers job to push the hardware to its limits. It is the manufacturers job to make sure the hardware they sell can run at its limits, otherwise lower the specs.
Once upon a time when RAM was expensive and CPUs ran like snails (compared to today's), programmers where keen on being conservative. They optimized code and made heavy use of assembly to keep things from getting bloated and taxing the resources.
Today RAM is cheap and CPUs run like the devil. The fine art of optimizing code is not really a priority anymore and thus we have produced a generation of sloppy programmers.
It's evident in the programs they produce now. Incarna being a good example.
Originally by: Mr Majestyk
It is the developers job to push the hardware to its limits.
EDIT: Just because your car engine has a max RPM doesn't mean you want to keep it there all the time. Right? _ _________ _ "You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view - until you climb into his skin and walk around in it." |
JC Anderson
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: JC Anderson on 22/06/2011 16:00:38 /Verified that software can destroy motherboard
I once had a virus that had some of the same characteristics as a hardware failure... So I had been checking RAM stick by stick and then moved on to another component where I had to remove two screwed in order to get at it.
When doing so my screwdriver slipped and I took a big chunk out of my motherboard.
It all started with a virus. :P
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Milo Caman Four Words: End User License Agreement
Have been shown to not be worth the paper they're not writen on.
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RaTTuS
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:03:00 -
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I blame windows update myself
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Milo Caman
Four Words: End User License Agreement
Depends on where you are in the world and what, specifically the EULA states. A legally binding contract, in some parts of the world, can not be one sided, in others you must actually sign something (anything) to be bound by it. If it contains words to the effect of "or comperable local laws" it's laughable at best. There is also a valid argument in, I believe the USA, that states if a contract is not written in terms the person signing it can understand (i.e. it's all in legal terms rather than plain English) the contract is invalid.
Unless EVE is flashing up a specific EULA for each country the game is avaliable in to the user in that country (which is possible) then it's more a collection of scary words than anything else.
A fair few companies have hidden behind a "you can't sue us" EULA and had a nasty surprise in court.
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Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: Alrione on 22/06/2011 16:11:45 GPU at 50c with fan on 60% CPU at 40c with fan at 1.5rpm which is quite low.
Result: Get better cooling. Just because some software is utilising your hardware to its potential doesn't make software at fault for overheating. It means your cooling is inadequate for your hardware and ultimately you are the idiot at fault.
Whether CCP's code is unoptimised or not is completely irrelevant. -------------------------------- No sig, is a sig as well. |
Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ay Liz Edited by: Ay Liz on 22/06/2011 14:26:46 Actually it would be the manufacturers fault for installing a cooling solution which didn't manage to cool the product under full load. This seems to be a problem these days, especially with notebook manufacturers.
THIS. Seriously THIS. There is an abundance of cheap (and not so cheap) carp on the market, often aimed specifically at the 'hardcore' gamer market which is overpriced rubbish. NIC's that are nothing more than server grade units with silly sized none copper (or alu) heatsinks welded on to them being sold for three times the going rate being an example.
All of which looks puka but has a happy knack of frying itself when pushed hard; which as a gamer your going to do... for hours at a time.
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Cassidy Dee
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:22:00 -
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You have no knowledge of pc hardware. As others have mentioned, the pc hardware market is full of sharks out to take your money for an inferior product. These are the people you should be directing your pretend anger at. Or you could blame yourself for having no knowledge in an area that is -extremely- important for the hobby you chose.
Having a 'well-oiled machine' that you maintain regularly (including cleaning hardware and software), as well as upgrade legacy parts regularly, and monitor regularly, is part of being a pc gamer. Blaming CCP for your piece of junk overheating is really pretty laughable.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:27:00 -
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Quote: But after reading (the disclaimer) this, anyone in their right mind would refuse to give CCP any more of their business.
Go ahead and show me any game you have ever played that did not have a similar disclaimer.
And you imply that you never read the EULA to being with. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: JC Anderson Edited by: JC Anderson on 22/06/2011 16:00:38 /Verified that software can destroy motherboard
It can. This is from several years ago mind but still. When flash memory for BIOS's became standard (as opposed to the old eprom) certain OEM's shipped boards with the jumper set to read/write. You can see where this is going.
Duly a virus was spotted in the wild that would write complete gibberish to a certain OEM's BIOS, when the user rebooted (as the BIOS isn't used in general operation and what is used is dumped to RAM) they were left with an expensive brick.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 22/06/2011 16:31:31
Originally by: Cassidy Dee You have no knowledge of pc hardware. As others have mentioned, the pc hardware market is full of sharks out to take your money for an inferior product. These are the people you should be directing your pretend anger at. Or you could blame yourself for having no knowledge in an area that is -extremely- important for the hobby you chose.
Having a 'well-oiled machine' that you maintain regularly (including cleaning hardware and software), as well as upgrade legacy parts regularly, and monitor regularly, is part of being a pc gamer. Blaming CCP for your piece of junk overheating is really pretty laughable.
And you have no knowledge of reading through a thread as I've already addressed your points. The only thing laughable here is you and you ADHD.
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Quote: But after reading (the disclaimer) this, anyone in their right mind would refuse to give CCP any more of their business.
Go ahead and show me any game you have ever played that did not have a similar disclaimer.
And you imply that you never read the EULA to being with.
Disclaimers alone don't wreck your hardware though...so why worry?
Disclaimer + PC wrecking software is an entirely different matter. _ _________ _ "You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view - until you climb into his skin and walk around in it." |
Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch Three words:
Class Action Lawsuit
How this plays out in the international arena, I don't know. But it wouldn't surprise me if some smart EVE playing lawyer is putting a case together right now, while the lawyers at CCP are recommending complete silence on the matter as seen in the forums.
Software that blows your rig? C'mon.
Then you have the cheerleaders saying it's your fault (the consumer) for having an inferior rig. LOLOLOL!!!!
The emperor has not freakin clothes on, CCP.
One of the dumbest posts in a week full of very dumb and whining posts. Sure the graphic settings have higher demands on the hardware, but if the hardware is breaking because of this, then the failure is either with the hardware itself being not properly maintained or a faulty driver.
But it is much easier to blame others right and collect some cash along the way, right?
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Originally by: Atticus Fynch Three words:
Class Action Lawsuit
How this plays out in the international arena, I don't know. But it wouldn't surprise me if some smart EVE playing lawyer is putting a case together right now, while the lawyers at CCP are recommending complete silence on the matter as seen in the forums.
Software that blows your rig? C'mon.
Then you have the cheerleaders saying it's your fault (the consumer) for having an inferior rig. LOLOLOL!!!!
The emperor has not freakin clothes on, CCP.
One of the dumbest posts in a week full of very dumb and whining posts. Sure the graphic settings have higher demands on the hardware, but if the hardware is breaking because of this, then the failure is either with the hardware itself being not properly maintained or a faulty driver.
But it is much easier to blame others right and collect some cash along the way, right?
You've missed the point. That "cash" collected will no doubt prompt CCP to clean house and you may even see a better quality product from them. It's a deterrent. _ _________ _ "You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view - until you climb into his skin and walk around in it." |
Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:35:00 -
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My notebook runs CQ on FULL settings with 4xAA at 1366x768. There's a bit stutter, but that's not really bad or keeping me from playing.
The fans don't make more noise as usual, unlike when playing Duke Nukem Forever, which lets them scream at full settings.
Makes me wonder whose fault it really is. Also makes me wonder about all those crappy setups ppl must have.
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Slymah
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:37:00 -
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i'm rocking an old rig from 2006 (updated with win7 and a 9800 vid card) .. it only has one fan atm cause the other 2 are clogged with dust. I clean out the case every couple year's wich is about the same time i'll update my software drivers.
no issues with stations except it takes about 5-6 seconds to load when I dock.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Originally by: Atticus Fynch Three words:
Class Action Lawsuit
How this plays out in the international arena, I don't know. But it wouldn't surprise me if some smart EVE playing lawyer is putting a case together right now, while the lawyers at CCP are recommending complete silence on the matter as seen in the forums.
Software that blows your rig? C'mon.
Then you have the cheerleaders saying it's your fault (the consumer) for having an inferior rig. LOLOLOL!!!!
The emperor has not freakin clothes on, CCP.
One of the dumbest posts in a week full of very dumb and whining posts. Sure the graphic settings have higher demands on the hardware, but if the hardware is breaking because of this, then the failure is either with the hardware itself being not properly maintained or a faulty driver.
But it is much easier to blame others right and collect some cash along the way, right?
You've missed the point. That "cash" collected will no doubt prompt CCP to clean house and you may even see a better quality product from them. It's a deterrent.
You have missed the point, software does not cause the hardware to fail, if that happened then there was already something wrong with your hardware. Stop blaming others for your faults!
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Tipsy
Gallente X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Tipsy on 22/06/2011 16:39:53
Originally by: Atticus Fynch Unlike other countries where you are expected to bend over and take it gracefully...God save the queen.
You realise that the US legal system (with the exception of Louisiana's) is derived from the English common law legal system, right? English and Scots law have the concept of a duty of care, too.
Of course, if you knew much about law on either side of the Atlantic or had any intention of pursuing a lawsuit you probably wouldn't have made your first couple of posts in this thread.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:40:00 -
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Quote: Disclaimer + PC wrecking software is an entirely different matter.
I'm actually really upset because I don't think you are trolling and really believe it is possible to file a class action lawsuit for something like this. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:44:00 -
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Funny thread.
To those who don't know, it's perfectly possible to wreck hardware via software.
Did it in the past, could probably do it today. Altough not so easy anymore, considering there's no easy way to low-level-hardware-access.
Like ... change RAM timing on my old 386 via software. Like ... manipulate the laser of a cd-burner via firmware-hacks. (that was a good one)
Give me a DOS and an hour and i'll wreck your graphics card with a few lines assembler. ^^ (given they still use the same ports as back in the past, though)
Please note that i'm not saying it's easy, but it's definitly doable.
Anyway ... it's probably your rig and not the game anyway. CCP doesn't write software to wreck peoples computers on purpose. no, boot.ini wasn't on purpose. XD
Business as usual ... IT'S NOT MY FAULT !! IT'S THE OTHERS FAULT !! ALWAYS !! I hate these suckers.
Also ... my notebook owns your crappy rig and it's at best a midlevel notebook for 700 bucks. ^^
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Originally by: Atticus Fynch Three words:
Class Action Lawsuit
How this plays out in the international arena, I don't know. But it wouldn't surprise me if some smart EVE playing lawyer is putting a case together right now, while the lawyers at CCP are recommending complete silence on the matter as seen in the forums.
Software that blows your rig? C'mon.
Then you have the cheerleaders saying it's your fault (the consumer) for having an inferior rig. LOLOLOL!!!!
The emperor has not freakin clothes on, CCP.
One of the dumbest posts in a week full of very dumb and whining posts. Sure the graphic settings have higher demands on the hardware, but if the hardware is breaking because of this, then the failure is either with the hardware itself being not properly maintained or a faulty driver.
But it is much easier to blame others right and collect some cash along the way, right?
You've missed the point. That "cash" collected will no doubt prompt CCP to clean house and you may even see a better quality product from them. It's a deterrent.
You have missed the point, software does not cause the hardware to fail, if that happened then there was already something wrong with your hardware. Stop blaming others for your faults!
So if 99.9% of my software (some of which does push my PC as mentioned already) runs fine, but the 0.1% that doesn't and may have actually damaged my computer...then it's my fault?
OK. _ _________ _ "You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view - until you climb into his skin and walk around in it." |
Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:46:00 -
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If your hardware broke, it's probably your own fault. No problems multiboxing CQ what so ever, my gpu went up 5-10 degrees, but still well under the limits for the card...got temps back down to normal after messing with the settings. CPU temp wasn't affected at all, and I'm running on 5 year old hardware. - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring |
Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones And you imply that you never read the EULA to being with.
One of the reasons they have trouble being valid contracts.
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Narisa Bithon
Caldari The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:50:00 -
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sadly eve has got bloated..... why is it that developers ruin their own software by bloating it.
autocad r14 was probably one of the best versions of autocad then autodesk started adding rarely used or completely useless addons into the default main program.... now we have autocad 2012... its so bloated that it crashes because even a pc with 4gb or ram running win7 64bit runs out of memory loading useless features.
ccp need to cut out the fat and make eve online more streamlined again. and for godsake fix the spaceships before you add more eve barbie features.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 22/06/2011 16:53:36
Originally by: Barakkus If your hardware broke, it's probably your own fault.
Yes, I take responsibility for trusting CCP with their software. THAT was my fault.
Quote: Anyway ... it's probably your rig and not the game anyway. CCP doesn't write software to wreck peoples computers on purpose.
Of course not, but lack of proper testing or even releasing a faulty product to the public (in order to meet a deadline) with the hopes of addressing it later is still negligence.
_ _________ _ "You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view - until you climb into his skin and walk around in it." |
Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Cipher Jones And you imply that you never read the EULA to being with.
One of the reasons they have trouble being valid contracts.
Yes that's why when you buy a car and it gets repo'd you can just say you didn't read the contract and they waive the debt. That rules been in place since about 1984. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Cassidy Dee
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Posted - 2011.06.22 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
So if 99.9% of my software (some of which does push my PC as mentioned already) runs fine, but the 0.1% that doesn't and may have actually damaged my computer...then it's my fault?
OK.[:|
Correct.
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ThatDudeThere
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:01:00 -
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My comp runs fine still. Got a 4890 card, dual boxing on max settings still barely hits 70c with the fan running at 30% speed. My Core 2 Quad CPU gets to about 60c which is fine, mobo says about 58c. Get some slow downs but my os is Vista which has been rubbish slow since I installed it.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:13:00 -
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To all those saying a s/w algorithm cannot burn out a section of a chip then you have no clue what you talk about.
Do you think that every single section of a chip is miraculously at the same temp? Do you have any semblence of the beginning of a clue as to the thermal deltas possible in a typical gfx chip? I'll answer that for you - you don't, nor can most of you make any sort of relevant comment on the matter.
This topic has come up before and related to the default CCP had set for refresh rate. It basically maxed out cards on a very tight repetitive loop in station. Lots of people came on and shouted "your computer sucks" it can't be s/w. Some other people talked to CCP about it.
Result = default is now the same as the refresh rate of a monitor.
Make of that what you will.
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Sakura Ren Fenikkusu
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:15:00 -
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To put some people straight/at ease:
1) Yes, improper coding can lead to hardware failure; however, most hardware is designed to shut off well before the hardware would fail. If your hardware is not shutting off, you need to look for the settings that govern when it does.
2) Older Viruses were capable of destroying a motherboard, but not by overheating it or causing hardware failure. Most would use the same tools designed by hardware manufactures to flash the BIOS, in order to wipe the BIOS from a computer, which many people didn't have a clue on how to fix.
3) If you do not have a NVidia graphics card with PhysX support, disable "Physically Generated Clothing and Hair", that is a major CPU hog.
4) If you are running more than one client and you have a multi-core processor, it may be a good idea to get in the habit of setting client to a specific core through the Windows Task Manager via processor affinity.
5) Discontinued support for Shader Model 2.0 was announced months ago, it should not come as a surprise to anyone. Look at the bright side, now CCP can add new cyno-effects. (hint hint)
6) Yes, the microtransactions suck, but we don't have to buy them. A suggestion to CCP, if you are going to go with microtransactions, it is time to make EVE Online free to play. No sane person is going to pay $15 a month and also buy a bunch of vanity items.
7) Disable "Resource Cache Loading" if you have 4GB or less of memory. I've noticed that the Captain's Quarters loads much faster without that enabled.
8) This is only the first stage of Incarna, more features that will make Walking-In-Stations worthwhile will follow.
9) Besides the content that comes with the initial Captain's Quarters (NPE, missions, Aura, etc.), Incarna is primarily a technology expansion. CarbonUI, CarbonIO, the engine that allows us to Walk in Stations, and even the turrets are new or revamped technologies deplyed with Incursion 1.6, and now Incarna 1.0.
10) Stop Complaining...If you don't like the Captain's Quarters, disable it. If you have performance issues, it's time to upgrade. If you don't have anything good or constructive to say, don't say it. If you can't, then don't play, and don't let the door hit you on your way out....and send me all your stuff.
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