Originally by: Ashlyn Shi'jun

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I bet more then 30% of the responses here are from people who are getting paid to disrupt eve online.

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Originally by: RougeOperator

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Edited by: RougeOperator on 24/06/2011 05:07:04
I really dont like that they tossed out some fairly unknown person to be the meat-shield. I find that highly disrespectful to us.

Its like at every turn they are tossing more gas/petrol onto the fire.

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Originally by: Ashlyn Shi'jun

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I bet more then 30% of the responses here are from people who are getting paid to disrupt eve online. 60% is from people who dont take a minute to think about the issues at hand objectivly and rather join the hatebrigade. The rest has valid points that are most likely going to be taken into account by ccp.

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Originally by: Max Gades

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In all honesty i could care less

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Originally by: Mara Rinn

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"Macro transactions" as you call them, or "virtual goods" as CCP calls them, are where the big money is. True "micro transactions" for new ship models for the same old ships could come later, as the money is available to fund that project. I love the direction CCP has started out on with the Noble Exchange, let's suck the fat ISK-whoring bastards dry!

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I'll disagree with you about EVE Online being only a spaceships game. I want a complete sci fi experience. I want to land on the planet and walk around, fly in space and blow stuff up, discuss alliance treaties "in person" through the characters in the game rather than being yet another neckbeard on ventrilo. I'm here for some role play, not just Internet Spaceships.

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(well, except from being about three of four pages later because I took too long to post)

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Originally by: QwaarJet

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60 pages and you guys still don't get it.

We aren't complaining about how you have communicated the changes to us, we are complaining about the changes themselves. Incarna is a waste of time that you guys should be ashamed of creating. It offers nothing to the player base, and gives us a scary reminder of where CCP's ego is taking this game. The future of EVE is bleak, unless you guys get your fingers out and do something. Forget Incarna and Dust. No one cares about them. You need to put your focus on the core of EVE and try to fix the game.

Ignore the player base at your peril, they are more important than you to this game.

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Originally by: QwaarJet

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60 pages and you guys still don't get it.

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Originally by: Klingon Admiral

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"Creation is so precious,
and greed so destructive."

EVE Online: Tyrannis Teaser
Summer 2010

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Originally by: Scerwup

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my video card temp shot to over 70c within a period of 10 seconds

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Originally by: CCP Pann

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Edited by: CCP Pann on 24/06/2011 00:50:29
As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Noble Market.

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Originally by: CCP Pann

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Edited by: CCP Pann on 24/06/2011 00:50:29
I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining.

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Originally by: Malen Nenokal

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I'm looking forward to reading the proper followup. Hopefully it won't be the usual dodgy PR response. I love Eve and CCP, so I really hope this has caught the attention of the right people in order to get things back on track. These past few days have been a mess.

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Originally by: QwaarJet

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60 pages and you guys still don't get it.

We aren't complaining about how you have communicated the changes to us, we are complaining about the changes themselves. Incarna is a waste of time that you guys should be ashamed of creating. It offers nothing to the player base, and gives us a scary reminder of where CCP's ego is taking this game. The future of EVE is bleak, unless you guys get your fingers out and do something. Forget Incarna and Dust. No one cares about them. You need to put your focus on the core of EVE and try to fix the game.

Ignore the player base at your peril, they are more important than you to this game.

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Originally by: Fern Dolakar

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One of the golden rules in running a business is to not think your product is irreplaceable.

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Originally by: Los Quinton

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Originally by: Fern Dolakar

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One of the golden rules in running a business is to not think your product is irreplaceable.

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Except that throughout the lifespan of MMORPGS, the genre has pretty much ****ted on that rule.

Do you honestly trust that any of the current MMO developers have the balls to make a sandbox game like Eve?

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Originally by: Malen Nenokal

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I'm looking forward to reading the proper followup. Hopefully it won't be the usual dodgy PR response. I love Eve and CCP, so I really hope this has caught the attention of the right people in order to get things back on track. These past few days have been a mess.

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Originally by: Veras Divinia

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First let me start by saying that the pre Incarna Eve was a great game. And I would venture to say that the vast majority of people responding to this post would agree. People are not THIS vocal about a game that they don't care about.

All that being said, the core issues here really boil down to those of trust and respect. Trust, once breached or broken, is very difficult to regain. Respect must be earned over time - both through words and actions.

Until the last couple of days, CCP had the trust of its players. It had crafted a unique experience in the world of gaming - exemplified by its motto of HTFU. It was a game designed for and played by players who wanted to challenge themselves in the best of ways.

There was also the impression that CCP respected its players - by creating this unique game and by asking us to be part of it and part of the ongoing cycle of developing it.

Both trust and respect have been lost in the last couple of days. The trust the players had in CCP and the sense that CCP respected them.

Internal document, working brief or diary, the Newsletter showed a blatant disregard for the trust and respect on which the Developers and players have relied on. On these forums and in posts CCP promised us that MT would not be used for anything other than vanity items. That Newsletter explicitly says otherwise. Thus is trust breached.

Even more concerning is the lack of respect for players as implied by that Newsletter. The Eve MT article speaks of hooking players on wares like addicts. The article goes so far as to compare the experience of MT to buying other forms of social interaction (eg. buying prostitutes).

Ultimately as Eve players we believed that we were partners with CCP in creating a new universe and experience in the sandbox of New Eden. Today we learned that we are simply commodities to be exploited.

CCP is a business and perhaps this exploitation should not be surprising, but CCP earned a special trust and respect by making its players feel like partners. To find out that was categorically untrue is disheartening at best.

It is unlikely that any response from CCP will satisfy everyone, but whatever response they make must begin to rebuild trust. The best and surest way for CCP to show it's respect is to read and listen to the comments here and understand how horrendously they have erred in their assessment of us.

In an ideal world, CCP would remove MT from the game - for good. That would go a long way to restoring trust and respect. More likely, a simple declaration that only Vanity (eg. non game enhancing) items will be sold would go a little way to rebuilding trust. An real apology and an acknowledgment of how badly CCP treated its player base on this issue would start it back on the road to respect.

HTFU CCP - The player base that has trusted you for years deserves your respect.

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Originally by: Ranka Mei

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Originally by: QwaarJet

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60 pages and you guys still don't get it.

We aren't complaining about how you have communicated the changes to us, we are complaining about the changes themselves. Incarna is a waste of time that you guys should be ashamed of creating. It offers nothing to the player base, and gives us a scary reminder of where CCP's ego is taking this game. The future of EVE is bleak, unless you guys get your fingers out and do something. Forget Incarna and Dust. No one cares about them. You need to put your focus on the core of EVE and try to fix the game.

Ignore the player base at your peril, they are more important than you to this game.

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Speak for yourself. Incarna is just fine. I'm loving it!

All I'm interested in, is whether CCP will start selling ingame advantages for Aurum or not -- because that, guaranteed, is a deal-breaker.

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Originally by: Los Quinton

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Originally by: Fern Dolakar

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One of the golden rules in running a business is to not think your product is irreplaceable.

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Except that throughout the lifespan of MMORPGS, the genre has pretty much ****ted on that rule.

Do you honestly trust that any of the current MMO developers have the balls to make a sandbox game like Eve?

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Originally by: Veras Divinia

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First let me start by saying that the pre Incarna Eve was a great game. And I would venture to say that the vast majority of people responding to this post would agree. People are not THIS vocal about a game that they don't care about.

All that being said, the core issues here really boil down to those of trust and respect. Trust, once breached or broken, is very difficult to regain. Respect must be earned over time - both through words and actions.

Until the last couple of days, CCP had the trust of its players. It had crafted a unique experience in the world of gaming - exemplified by its motto of HTFU. It was a game designed for and played by players who wanted to challenge themselves in the best of ways.

There was also the impression that CCP respected its players - by creating this unique game and by asking us to be part of it and part of the ongoing cycle of developing it.

Both trust and respect have been lost in the last couple of days. The trust the players had in CCP and the sense that CCP respected them.

Internal document, working brief or diary, the Newsletter showed a blatant disregard for the trust and respect on which the Developers and players have relied on. On these forums and in posts CCP promised us that MT would not be used for anything other than vanity items. That Newsletter explicitly says otherwise. Thus is trust breached.

Even more concerning is the lack of respect for players as implied by that Newsletter. The Eve MT article speaks of hooking players on wares like addicts. The article goes so far as to compare the experience of MT to buying other forms of social interaction (eg. buying prostitutes).

Ultimately as Eve players we believed that we were partners with CCP in creating a new universe and experience in the sandbox of New Eden. Today we learned that we are simply commodities to be exploited.

CCP is a business and perhaps this exploitation should not be surprising, but CCP earned a special trust and respect by making its players feel like partners. To find out that was categorically untrue is disheartening at best.

It is unlikely that any response from CCP will satisfy everyone, but whatever response they make must begin to rebuild trust. The best and surest way for CCP to show it's respect is to read and listen to the comments here and understand how horrendously they have erred in their assessment of us.

In an ideal world, CCP would remove MT from the game - for good. That would go a long way to restoring trust and respect. More likely, a simple declaration that only Vanity (eg. non game enhancing) items will be sold would go a little way to rebuilding trust. An real apology and an acknowledgment of how badly CCP treated its player base on this issue would start it back on the road to respect.

HTFU CCP - The player base that has trusted you for years deserves your respect.

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Originally by: Zedrik Cayne

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We are angry... furious... over the what your apparent view of us as your 'clients' are.

Direct slap in the face.

For a long time we suspected that you've gotten way out of touch with us. But, we trusted you.

And then, we get slapped in the face.

Through a leaked document, we really get to see what you think we are. (Or, a subset of you, let's not generalize too much here).

You told us that 'microtransactions are not coming' but they arrived...you told us 'no in-game items' but hey, we saw them on SiSi. You were lying to us bold-faced. But we figured, 'It is a bug, problem, sure it sounds weird that they can't take a ship in exchange for the thing you are paying for..but okay...we can deal.'

But we read the glossy mag...and knew there was something fundamentally wrong. Not only are we being lied to... but we are also being taken advantage of, treated like sheep and cows.

The player base. Is *very* smart. We had to be to make it past the brick wall you call a learning curve. We're passionate, we love this game. Because we can do things here that we cannot do anywhere.

You guys may not know me. I roleplay in the game. I punish the stupid. NO OTHER GAME OUT THERE WOULD EVEN CONSIDER WHAT I DO GAMEPLAY. But it is perfectly all right in EvE. Not only that, I broadcast the stories. I blog about it. I run it through the forums. I create *content*. The next level. What people get to once they have done missions over and over and over again.

And we read the pamphlet...know it is real...and see you contemplating content that *Breaks The Game*. Thoughts that should have been dismissed out of hand as game breaking. Let's sell ammo and ships and etc..etc...

And we grab the pitchforks...Demanding that you turn the bus around *RIGHT NOW*. Because you are going to break it. And once it is broken, you can't put that back together again.

You have not broken the game yet...the sandbox is pretty well intact.

You *will* break it if you don't watch yourselves.

You have broken our trust...we cannot...*CANNOT* trust you. We've been abused too often in this relationship. I can't trust a single word out of your collective mouths. It has gotten that bad.

I love this game...But I unsubbed the one character I own. Just to let you know that indeed. I am serious...this is not a threat. I am leaving should I not get satisfaction.

And I assume that enough folks have done the same that you realized just how angry we all are. WE ARE FUMING.

So what answer do I want? Just one statement: Set in goddamned stone if you have to 'EvE Online will never sell for real money, performance enhancing items. Including implants, rigs, ships, ammo, rigs or materials (T1, T2 or T3)'

In stone would be nice...planted in the lobby of all CCP's campuses. Just to remind folks that there is a line you do not cross...

Don't screw it up CCP....your move.

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Originally by: Los Quinton

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And then they will seek and find out that there is nothing like Eve. They will then ask themselves, is another person spending rmt to by a ship that bad?

Man, I guess I am the only that sees the good in this. I can't wait for my name to be on the killmail having me destroy a ship some cat paid $200 for...

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