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Zverofaust Gallente Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:44:00 - [1] Edited by: Zverofaust on 24/06/2011 00:48:07 Since Incarna hit I've seen an absolutely stunning number of unique whingers make the forums their temporary home as they spew their opinions, complaints and demands, and I thought it would be entertaining (for me) to make a study case of each of the different "classes". The "I Don't Want NEX, And I Don't Want Anyone Else To Have It Either" Type: Irrational Methodology: Mainly threats and assertions that anyone who disagrees isn't "as informed" as they are. This peculiar class struck me as one of the oddest due to their nature to assert that anyone who disagrees with them is blatantly wrong, ill-informed and not possessing all of the facts that they have access to. They diligently claim that the NEX store will have an immediate and catastrophic effect on Eve and result in its complete destruction within weeks or even days despite no proof or data to back up this claim. The "Holy These Clothes Are Expensive" Type: Rational Methodology: Ranging from calm statements to foul language and colourful metaphors. I identify most with this group because it is pretty much undeniable that the prices AUR items are being sold for is just brain-**ingly idiotic. The "Inappropriately Emotional" Type: Irrational Methodology: Long-winded posts about the inner shame and despair they are currently feeling, such as "I am ashamed to tell my friends I play Eve" and "I've been loyal for a long time but these new changes have triggered a crisis of faith in CCP". There's little response to this kind of blatant hyperbole, but will often result in some pats on the back from like-minded emotionally fragile posters. They often attempt to communicate directly with CCP as if it were a person, try to stir some emotional response of pity and self-doubt in it, and generally look like idiots trying to talk to a tree. The "Open Letter To CCP" Type: Rational Methodology: Self-centered posts in which the poster expresses a deep sense of entitlement. Often comes off as flat out obnoxious as the poster often feels that they deserve personal attention from CCP at the expense of all others. "Open Letters" will often evoke irrational emotional pleas similarly to the "Inappropriate Emotional" class of poster, but taken to a new level, where their self-importance is held to such ridiculous heights that they feel CCP owes them, and them alone, a dignified, immediate response. The "Big Bolder" Type: Irrational Methodology: Frequent posts with rampant use of enlarged texts making short, un-ironic and hyperbolic statements. This class is rare but thanks to their childlike use of ridiculously large font sizes makes their presence felt regardless of how little actual content anything they say has. Will sometimes create new threads using this font, but seem to prefer forcing themselves into other posts to attempt to guide ongoing discussion to issues they care about personally. Hi, Miilla. The "Sarcastic Use Of Irrational Statements" Type: Irrational Methodology: Favorite tactic is to take the polar opposite stance of their actual opinion and provide a hyperbolic, extreme counterpoint in hopes of making that point of view bad. Such as "Just because you're not as rich as me doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to afford these shiny new items while the vast majority of you can not" and "I hope CCP rauses AUR prices even more". There isn't much to say; these posters are probably desperate to gain notoriety for their opinions by defaming the opposite viewpoint. One of the most amateur forms of troll. --TBC--
Zverofaust Gallente Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:47:00 - [2] Edited by: Zverofaust on 24/06/2011 00:53:18 The "Speed-Poster" Type: Irrational Methodology: Creates thread after thread after thread, jumping from one topic to the next in a frantic attempt to draw attention to multiple issues at once, while often replying in other Speed-Threads in a circlejerk of back-patting and self-confirmation. Perhaps the most annoying, though I (ironically) partook in this method myself earlier. These posters prowl the forums like hawks on meth, obsessively posting in popular threads and constantly creating new ones in an attempt to gain fame by creating their own threadnought. The "I'm Quitting, Bye" Type: Rational Methodology: Short, quick statements of their intention to cancel their subscriptions. This type is mainly filler. Many posters will make the statement repeatedly in as many threads as possible (including starting new ones to inform us all of their departure). To date none have been confirmed to have gotten rid of their stuff or biomassed their characters. Vast, vast majority are likely bluffing and just adding to the general malaise of whinging with empty promises of retributive actions should CCP continue on "their current path". The "Disappointed Veteran" Type: Rational Methodology: Similar to the "Inappropriately Emotional" these posters will often declare their disappointment at CCP's recent activities but do not get overly emotional. They will often tell the story of their Eve history in an attempt to convey what Eve is "losing". I'm under the impression most of these posters are just looking for attention as the majority of them will start a new thread as if their story of love lost is unique and deserving of special attention -- a classical story of tragedy at the hands of an increasingly capitalistic enterprise that has fallen prey to the dark side. The "Off With Their Heads!" Type: Irrational Methodology: UMAD-laced posts demanding the resignation or "punishment" of various CCP personnel thought personally responsible for an offense against them. Pointless filler suffering from a severe case of mob mentality. Often paranoid, believing that CCP has "changed" and become "evil". The "X Here If" Type: Irrational Methodology: Grandiose "revolutionaries" who want to start petitions and think they will lead the community-wide movement to fight against these changes. Hilariously inept and idiotic individuals with bloated egos and often dellusions of martyrdom. The "Stuck In The Past" Type: Rational Methodology: Confidently claims that Incarna literally has no content and often contradictory, going from "Eve hasn't updated its hardware/software in years" to "I can no longer run Eve because the new hardware requirements are beyond my **ty old computer" in a single paragraph. Also quite annoying because of the blatant obliviousness these people seem to have to the fact that introducing walking, moving and functional avatars in a functional, new environment is actually a giant step towards adding a whole new dimension to Eve, something that both devs and players have wanted for years. The "Unsatisfiable Critiquer"** Type: Irrational Methodology: Watches any and all communication from CCP like a hawk, pouring over past and present statements by CCP members and picking apart their meaning, context and form to portray a particular opinion. Borderline stalkers, they stalk the forums hunting for bluebars and pouncing on unsuspecting CCP who dare show their face in public without first answering their hundreds of questions and complaints. So concludes my study, though there are probably many more classes, but I'm running out of posting space. Feel free to add your own findings and reports. After all, sharing is infact caring.
Sovarin Caldari Sacred Templars RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:47:00 - [3] TL;DR. But if you dont make your opinions heard you dont have a voice.
Zverofaust Gallente Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:50:00 - [4] Originally by: Sovarin TL;DR. But if you dont make your opinions heard you dont have a voice. And a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Avet Kil	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:51:00 - [5] A good read.
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:52:00 - [6] What is a "whinger?"
Discrodia Gallente Symbiosis International Moose Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:53:00 - [7] Originally by: Emperor Cheney What is a "whinger?" Some local slang word than no one outside the OP's home understands? Originally by: anonymous WE JUST DID SCIENCE!
Alexis Sachs	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:53:00 - [8] The "Unadulterated CCP FanBoi" Type: annoying Methodology: Tries to convince anyone who will listen that CCP just invented fire, the wheel, and sliced bread by doing something that's been around for years. Listen Mr. White Knight, I am in fact allowed to be less than impressed that CCP took years to create a box that contains 1 avatar. SL is loling at you, and at CCP. Also, SL knows a thing about convincing people to fork over real life cash for in game vanity pixels... But here's the thing... All the crap people are *****ing about? Yeah, my concern is this. That I'm paying to alpha test WoD. I care neither about monocles nor their price. I don't particularly care about temperatures of cpus and video cards since I've tested the situation, and I'm fine. I don't care if you are enjoying CQ. Hell, I'm happy that you are. But don't act like it's THE technological achievement of mankind because it's not. And contrary to whatever you think, Incarna is not exactly the most inspiring expansion CCP has put out there.
Cancel Align NOW	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:54:00 - [9] Nice post. CCP have just posted an apology to all the whiners. That suggests maybe that there is substance to their whining. It also suggests that many of the people who claim to be unsubbing are actually unsubbing. They are not merely forum whiners; they are disgruntled clients who are demonstrating to CCP exactly how disgruntled they are.
Zverofaust Gallente Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:54:00 - [10] Originally by: Emperor Cheney What is a "whinger?" "Whiner". Whinger and whinging just seem to have a more flavourful effect on the tongue when spoken.
Zverofaust Gallente Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:59:00 - [11] Originally by: Alexis Sachs The "Unadulterated CCP FanBoi" Type: annoying Methodology: Tries to convince anyone who will listen that CCP just invented fire, the wheel, and sliced bread by doing something that's been around for years. Listen Mr. White Knight, I am in fact allowed to be less than impressed that CCP took years to create a box that contains 1 avatar. SL is loling at you, and at CCP. Also, SL knows a thing about convincing people to fork over real life cash for in game vanity pixels... But here's the thing... All the crap people are *****ing about? Yeah, my concern is this. That I'm paying to alpha test WoD. I care neither about monocles nor their price. I don't particularly care about temperatures of cpus and video cards since I've tested the situation, and I'm fine. I don't care if you are enjoying CQ. Hell, I'm happy that you are. But don't act like it's THE technological achievement of mankind because it's not. And contrary to whatever you think, Incarna is not exactly the most inspiring expansion CCP has put out there. Who is SL? And apparently you hadn't noticed I made it very clear I identify with at least one of the classes of forum whinger. I for example thing the AUR store is a ridiculous, insulting and blatantly idiotic thing and I've repeated this several times in several threads. I don't like microtransactions, I have never used them once in my life and on principle I have no plans to ever use them no matter how cheap they are. To me Incarna is the most inspiring because of all the various expansions I've seen since Apocrypha (T3, wormholes, PI, incursions, faction ship buffs) it is the one that most interests me. You may not be particularly interested in being able to run around in a "flesh and blood" character but it interests a hell of a lot more people than just me and I have no doubt it will be an awesome chapter in Eve's developmental history.
Token Afrodude Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:59:00 - [12] well, time to feed the troll i guess. Originally by: CCP Pann The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it. Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining. Guess there might have been some basis behind the whine after all? OP, please insert foot into mouth. It's a real pity CCP isn't affiliated with Apple, or their manufacturer Foxconn from China. If they released such a fail patch, they'd all be on the roof flinging themselves off in Shame
Cancel Align NOW	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:01:00 - [13] Time to play catch up with reality fanboi: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536065
tulsIP	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:03:00 - [14] I'm glad you can make broad generalizations and still be a complete idiot.
Duran Sarn	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:04:00 - [15] Originally by: Zverofaust bawww i whine about people i call whingers wut cool story ccp fanboy
Jedi GrandMaster	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:07:00 - [16] This guy is a total tool. The biggest baby i've ever seen. He forgets what he posted last night. Here is the only case study about the whinger u'll ever need. All posted by the OP. The expression pwned was created for idiots and fools such as this. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535394 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535392 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535396 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535399 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535383 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535406 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535389 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535388 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1535378 What now ?
Alexis Sachs	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:07:00 - [17] Originally by: ZverofaustWho is SL? And apparently you hadn't noticed I made it very clear I identify with at least one of the classes of forum whinger. I for example thing the AUR store is a ridiculous, insulting and blatantly idiotic thing and I've repeated this several times in several threads. I don't like microtransactions, I have never used them once in my life and on principle I have no plans to ever use them no matter how cheap they are. To me Incarna is the most inspiring because of all the various expansions I've seen since Apocrypha (T3, wormholes, PI, incursions, faction ship buffs) it is the one that most interests me. You may not be particularly interested in being able to run around in a "flesh and blood" character but it interests a hell of a lot more people than just me and I have no doubt it will be an awesome chapter in Eve's developmental history.[/quote SL = secondlife. If you think having an avatar is amazing, then SL may be for you. Here is why I'm think you're an unadulterated fanboi... You think Incarna is the most inspiring you've seen since Apocrypha? Ok, fair play, you may of course have whatever opinion you like. But this - this thing we got.... This is inspiring? Christ, you're easy to please. Because here is what we got - we got a poorly lit room with some walls that have a spacecouch and three video/TV screens - two of which are completely redundant and the third is pointless. I don't look a damned thing like I do in the character creator. Honestly, what we look like inside the actual CQ makes SL avatars look amazing. Which is a shame since the character creator makes SL look aged (as it is now). We also got some poor optimization. While I'm not having an issue playing with mutiple CQs turned on - others are. Now, if you're having a good time with CQ - that is great! I am no kidding happy for you, and for everyone else who is enjoying themselves. But please don't try to tell me I should think CCP just put men on the moon, or cured cancer. (To be fair, you've not necessarily one that here in this thread, but you have been a bit over-the-top in your praise by way of mocking those who are unhappy.) My point is this. I'm not begrudging you your enjoyment of CQ. Please don't begrudge others who are less pleased. They're allowed to have an opinion too.
Aquana Abyss	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:12:00 - [18] The "idiot" Type: Attention seeking Methodology: See Zverofaust posts
Spengman	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:20:00 - [19] Originally by: Discrodia Originally by: Emperor Cheney What is a "whinger?" Some local slang word than no one outside the OP's home understands? http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whinger Basic english. It's not as amusing as blinkered Americans calling isk 'dollars'.
Zverofaust Gallente Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:24:00 - [20] Excellent responses. First, I do not hide the fact I made a hilarious number of threads this morning. I actually mentioned it in my OP. Funny story, I actually got in trouble for work for those posts -- apparently someone monitoring internet traffic at my place of employment saw one of the "drunken suicidal" posts and sounded the horn of gondor and I had a hilarious and embarrassing "intervention" by HR who thought I was literally drunk and on the verge of overdose at work. Hilarity ensued. Anyway, yes, I am a troll. Yes, I also have legitimate concerns about Incarna just like everyone else. I'm not a CCP fanboi; if their ***ty forums allowed it you could go through my posts in the past and see me splerging about quitting and cancelling my subs and all of that too (which I actually did a couple of times). You may not think CQ "adds" anything and you're right, it doesn't add anything to the spaceship* game we know and love. But it is opening up a whole new dimension and any claim to the contrary is just blatant stubborn idiocy and refusal to accept facts. Is it buggy? YES! Is it making a lot of people who have older computers cry because that and the new SM3.0 isn't supported by their 5+old hardware? YES! Did you honestly expect anything different whatsoever!??!! I didn't. CCP has literally ****ed up every single expansion deployment since I started playing and I find it funny that each and every time players explode into nerdrage over it as if it were the last thing they ever expected. And I'm quite glad and actually amazed CCP responded. But there's really only one thing thats wrong with this whole affair and that is ridiculously high AUR item prices. That is my number one priority, followed making CQ an optional "Disembark" function from the standard, traditional hanger view.
Jedi GrandMaster	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:43:00 - [21] Jerk, get a life. Or just fo. Ur worthless.
Zverofaust Gallente Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:46:00 - [22] Originally by: Jedi GrandMaster Jerk, get a life. Or just fo. Ur worthless. Well said sir. You are a gentleman and a scholar.
Mia Aires	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:52:00 - [23] Edited by: Mia Aires on 24/06/2011 01:52:19 Zverofaus, if you're making a study please make it right. First of all FIGURE OUT ALL complains and name it in matter-of-fact - Why are so many player upset? 1.) 2.) and so on Than you can write it in a neural way. Do not use phrases like There isn't much to say, "I Don't Want NEX, And I Don't Want Anyone Else To Have It Either" or Often paranoid, believing... Come to a conclusion and don't tell: I'm running out of space Otherwise don't call it a study! I don't say your wrong in all your lines, but also ask yourself why are so many people acting this way?! Perhaps they have a strong emotional tie to the game a they felt sold down the river by CCP. FEARLESS showed many players how CCP acts with their players. But there many many more complains. I learned in my job those customer are a very valuable source for informations. Their feedback and their recommendation is essential for your product. And I'm talking about the customers with a strong emotional tie (on both ends). The so called "fanboys" don't add much to the development of the product A very satisfied client gives 2 positive recommendations A satisfied client gives one A very disappointed client gives -5 Bad press is deadly (Ballpark figures but matches quit good) The feelings boiled up as there was no constructive response or comments from CCP. And closing a creative thread like "DOORS" is not helpful. And keep in mind "we all are different" Mia out
Jedi GrandMaster	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:53:00 - [24] Why ty. Now kindly fo. Everyone thinks ur scum. And reread ur moany baitchy, posts u wrote continually yesterday. Then maybe u will come to the realisation, that u need to change both ur attitude and personality, if u ever want to get anywhere in rl and the virtual world.
Katra Novac	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:54:00 - [25] Totally pointless post from the OP although mildly amusing. Your post is based on your perception of your case study and you're obviously biased to start with. So the results you get are only really meaningful to you.
Snake Scofield	Posted - 2011.06.24 02:06:00 - [26] YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
Selinate Amarr Mocking Birds	Posted - 2011.06.24 02:07:00 - [27] Pretty much nailed it on the head. Though I didn't see whining man-child on there anywhere... kind of disappointed.
Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.06.24 02:08:00 - [28] How many threads about this crap did you make? Look, the way things are going CCP isn't going to offer you a job anytime soon. Now go away and never come back. -- Zinfandelgate - A fictionalized account of the events that led to June, 21st
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.24 02:13:00 - [29] Volume effects change. CCP is aware of this and compensates. The best counter tactic is more volume. You can psychoanalyze all you want, but most posts fall into 2 obvious categories. -attempts to effect change -displays of anger Wherever you went - Here you are.
Panda Name Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2011.06.24 02:14:00 - [30] Edited by: Panda Name on 24/06/2011 02:13:46 how smart can the OP be? he fought for the NC, then got screwed over. he's bad at eve.

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