Originally by: Tippia

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Thank you.

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Originally by: Javelin6

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Tippia thank you for your excellent response that sums up what most of think.

http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html

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Originally by: Allestin Villimar

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Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.

Originally by: Torothanax

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Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.

Originally by: CCP Dropbear

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rofl

edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Thank you.

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(ಠ_ృ)

Originally by: Frau Klaps

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Originally by: Tippia

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Thank you.

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Lets meet up in game to discuss this and other concerns.

Yours,

Frau Klaps

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Frau Klaps

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Originally by: Tippia

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Thank you.

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Lets meet up in game to discuss this and other concerns.

Yours,

Frau Klaps

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You'd like that, wouldn't youà meanies!

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(ಠ_ృ)

Quote:

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The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.

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Originally by: Tippia's sig

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ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö
ù ÇÇP

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Originally by: Teinyhr

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So he ends his words in "You no longer have the confidence of the community."

I'd appreciate if you wouldn't put your words in my mouth, Tippia. CCP still has my vote of confidence, as it always has had.

I do appreciate if players put pressure on the game developers on not living up to their promises, but 99% of this **** is "**** CCP" "I'm quitting and taking my bazillion accounts with me", generally meaningless rage and even (likely meaningless) death threats, but that's bit too serious for internet spaceships in any case. So good for you Tippia trying to voice your opinions in a nice way. But I'd still appreciate if you and other people wouldn't assume they're talking for all the community, when in fact they're not.

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Originally by: CCP Dropbear

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rofl

edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.

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Originally by: Teinyhr

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So he ends his words in "You no longer have the confidence of the community."
I'd appreciate if you wouldn't put your words in my mouth, Tippia. CCP still has my vote of confidence, as it always has had.
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Originally by: Khamelean

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Supported, while i don't agree on all points, it is good to see clearly defined constructive criticism.

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Originally by: Zagdul

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see if you could get the CSM involved.

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Originally by: Teinyhr

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So he ends his words in "You no longer have the confidence of the community."

I'd appreciate if you wouldn't put your words in my mouth, Tippia. CCP still has my vote of confidence, as it always has had.

I do appreciate if players put pressure on the game developers on not living up to their promises, but 99% of this **** is "**** CCP" "I'm quitting and taking my bazillion accounts with me", generally meaningless rage and even (likely meaningless) death threats, but that's bit too serious for internet spaceships in any case. So good for you Tippia trying to voice your opinions in a nice way. But I'd still appreciate if you and other people wouldn't assume they're talking for all the community, when in fact they're not.

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Originally by: Dr Fighter

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"how do you know when youve had a repro accident"

Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.

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Originally by: Grimpak

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hell and now we only have Tippia


I'm gonna miss Liang

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Originally by: Viibl Triibl

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Tippia's write-up is too long and ignores the practical considerations of a business and its customers. It focuses too much on the emotional outcry that players seem to be obsessed with, adding a lot of noise to the actual issues at hand.

It distracts from the reality of this situation, which is far simpler to define than the post would indicate:

- CQ removed functionality we were used to and it runs poorly; isn't cool enough to justify those things
- New items are too expensive, which comes off as both inept and insulting
- Patch broke a variety of things like implants, skill bonuses, module bonuses, etc.
- New content too far afield of the game's core: spaceship combat. CCP is using its work on WoD to appear to create new content for Eve, though it's just them re-purposing what they were making anyway and it's not really relevant
- Plan for MT content threatens player run economy, specifically in the realm of non-vanity item manufacture

That's the meat of it. Everything else about the "lie" and the memo is just emotional grandstanding. Had Incarna been more on target and better executed, no one would've cared what CCP discussed within its halls.

I'd add, for those who have not worked a corporate job before, that conversations about ways to increase revenue and shape consumer behavior are commonplace. Getting indignant about them is naive.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: Teinyhr

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So he ends his words in "You no longer have the confidence of the community."
I'd appreciate if you wouldn't put your words in my mouth, Tippia. CCP still has my vote of confidence, as it always has had.
[...]

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To be fair, until 2-3 years ago, making money hasn't stopped them from delivering what was, for better or worse, one of the best if not the best MMOs of that day.
In spite of a slow but heavy shift from "game first, cash second" to "cash first, game second", it still is one of the better MMOs of today.
I would not dare to call it "the best" anymore though, not at this time.
And even calling it "one of the best" already starts feeling a tad bit forced.
The big problem is, CCP seems to be caught in a situation where external forces make them emphasize the "cash" part more and more at the detriment of the "game" part, and there's not much of a chance of it stopping, let alone reversing in time to have EVE remain in the top of desirable MMO experiences.
It might take a couple more years for sure, and they MIGHT pass this hurdle... or they might not.

The question is, how could they go from a "build it right and they will come, and they will pay for it handsomely" mentality towards an even dangerously close to a "build something shiny and advertise it heavily hoping somebody comes, and fleece them for all they got" approach in such a relatively short amount of time ?
And do we, as the OLD customers, still trust them to stop and go back ?
I sadly doubt that.
The big problem however is... do you really think they'll really miss us, financially speaking ? If anything, this would encourage them to push in the "morally wrong" direction even more to cover the lost revenue, and they MIGHT ACTUALLY PULL IT OFF.
If they can pull it off, and new (slightly more ADD-ed) blood replaces and surpasses the cashflow volume that the old guard could have ever provided, do you think they'll ever have a reason to go back ?

Sadly, this is a lose-lose situation for the players.
And not really much we can do about it.
Eve is not dead, it's not dying either, but it's turning into something we no longer like so much anymore.
Then again, what isn't ?

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Originally by: Tom Peeping

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: Teinyhr

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So he ends his words in "You no longer have the confidence of the community."
I'd appreciate if you wouldn't put your words in my mouth, Tippia. CCP still has my vote of confidence, as it always has had.
[...]

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To be fair, until 2-3 years ago, making money hasn't stopped them from delivering what was, for better or worse, one of the best if not the best MMOs of that day.
In spite of a slow but heavy shift from "game first, cash second" to "cash first, game second", it still is one of the better MMOs of today.
I would not dare to call it "the best" anymore though, not at this time.
And even calling it "one of the best" already starts feeling a tad bit forced.
The big problem is, CCP seems to be caught in a situation where external forces make them emphasize the "cash" part more and more at the detriment of the "game" part, and there's not much of a chance of it stopping, let alone reversing in time to have EVE remain in the top of desirable MMO experiences.
It might take a couple more years for sure, and they MIGHT pass this hurdle... or they might not.

The question is, how could they go from a "build it right and they will come, and they will pay for it handsomely" mentality towards an even dangerously close to a "build something shiny and advertise it heavily hoping somebody comes, and fleece them for all they got" approach in such a relatively short amount of time ?
And do we, as the OLD customers, still trust them to stop and go back ?
I sadly doubt that.
The big problem however is... do you really think they'll really miss us, financially speaking ? If anything, this would encourage them to push in the "morally wrong" direction even more to cover the lost revenue, and they MIGHT ACTUALLY PULL IT OFF.
If they can pull it off, and new (slightly more ADD-ed) blood replaces and surpasses the cashflow volume that the old guard could have ever provided, do you think they'll ever have a reason to go back ?

Sadly, this is a lose-lose situation for the players.
And not really much we can do about it.
Eve is not dead, it's not dying either, but it's turning into something we no longer like so much anymore.
Then again, what isn't ?

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Careful Akita T... CCP obviously has the banhammer out and ready for those who are critical of them (despite the fact that they obviously don't care that people are legitimately upset). You've got to be one of the ones up next!

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Originally by: Javelin6

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Tippia thank you for your excellent response that sums up what most of think.

http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: Teinyhr

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So he ends his words in "You no longer have the confidence of the community."
I'd appreciate if you wouldn't put your words in my mouth, Tippia. CCP still has my vote of confidence, as it always has had.
[...]

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To be fair, until 2-3 years ago, making money hasn't stopped them from delivering what was, for better or worse, one of the best if not the best MMOs of that day.
In spite of a slow but heavy shift from "game first, cash second" to "cash first, game second", it still is one of the better MMOs of today.
I would not dare to call it "the best" anymore though, not at this time.
And even calling it "one of the best" already starts feeling a tad bit forced.
The big problem is, CCP seems to be caught in a situation where external forces make them emphasize the "cash" part more and more at the detriment of the "game" part, and there's not much of a chance of it stopping, let alone reversing in time to have EVE remain in the top of desirable MMO experiences.
It might take a couple more years for sure, and they MIGHT pass this hurdle... or they might not.

The question is, how could they go from a "build it right and they will come, and they will pay for it handsomely" mentality towards an even dangerously close to a "build something shiny and advertise it heavily hoping somebody comes, and fleece them for all they got" approach in such a relatively short amount of time ?
And do we, as the OLD customers, still trust them to stop and go back ?
I sadly doubt that.
The big problem however is... do you really think they'll really miss us, financially speaking ? If anything, this would encourage them to push in the "morally wrong" direction even more to cover the lost revenue, and they MIGHT ACTUALLY PULL IT OFF.
If they can pull it off, and new (slightly more ADD-ed) blood replaces and surpasses the cashflow volume that the old guard could have ever provided, do you think they'll ever have a reason to go back ?

Sadly, this is a lose-lose situation for the players.
And not really much we can do about it.
Eve is not dead, it's not dying either, but it's turning into something we no longer like so much anymore.
Then again, what isn't ?

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