| Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page |
|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
OriginalTeufel
   |
Posted - 2011.06.25 12:17:00 -
[1]
Login in and check it out. Jita is in panic mode.
|
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
|
Posted - 2011.06.25 13:03:00 -
[2]
It's not a proper panic before it plummets below 300 mil 
_
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
|
Nin Kimrov
Minmatar
Kenzi Arms and Munitions
|
Posted - 2011.06.25 13:16:00 -
[3]
Imagine the complete Plex market crashing, that would be a good answer to ccp.
|
Juliette DuBois
|
Posted - 2011.06.25 13:20:00 -
[4]
I wish people would redeem them for service instead. All of them. And then run their accounts 23/7. 
|
Amrumm
Rhetorical Devices
|
Posted - 2011.06.25 13:27:00 -
[5]
Prices are almost back to the level of 2 months ago. As market corrections go this one rates 'unimpressive' at best.
|
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
|
Posted - 2011.06.25 13:29:00 -
[6]
 Originally by: Juliette DuBois
I wish people would redeem them for service instead. All of them. And then run their accounts 23/7.
So... you want PLEX prices to go back up a bit and CCP to get exactly what they wanted, a disappearance of their looming liabilities ?
_
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
|
Nin Kimrov
Minmatar
Kenzi Arms and Munitions
|
Posted - 2011.06.25 13:42:00 -
[7]
The best way would be to add them in the redeem system, and never use them.
|
Scout1111
|
Posted - 2011.06.25 15:05:00 -
[8]
Good... I have alts to plex, y'know?
|
Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
|
Posted - 2011.06.25 15:05:00 -
[9]
Originally by: Nin Kimrov
The best way would be to add them in the redeem system, and never use them.
Nah, that's giving CCP money without them having to do anything for it.
The only feasible way to send a financial message to CCP is to simply cancel subscriptions and stop buying PLEX.
Of course, we all know this is probably not going to happen and I'd be surprised if the current crisis' resulting subscription drop is only temporary and then only like 5-10% anyway.
_
Got Item? | EVE API? | Cache? |
Nin Kimrov
Minmatar
Kenzi Arms and Munitions
|
Posted - 2011.06.25 15:11:00 -
[10]
At least that would an accounting and liquidity crisis.
But from what I see and feel, It really sound as the first steps SWG took with their new experience change.
|
|
|
Thoraemond
Minmatar
Far Ranger
|
Posted - 2011.06.25 16:30:00 -
[11]
Originally by: Nin Kimrov
[F]rom what I see and feel, It really sound as the first steps SWG took with their new experience change.
And we all know how that ended. Actually, for those who don't know, it was announced on 2011-06-24 that SWG service will end on 2011-12-15.
|
Talsha Talamar
Amarr
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
|
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:14:00 -
[12]
Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 25/06/2011 17:16:45
Actually I had a look at the chart and a cynic giggle too.
CCPs delusions, propaganada and false economics are disproved by the free forces of the market.
Beautiful.
If I were not so fricking red, that I nearly look black,
this would be one of those moments that could put me at peace with economic liberalism ;)
Speaking about red:
Sandbox or Death! |
Diomedes Calypso
|
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:21:00 -
[13]
I'd think that if long term players are leaving the game they very well might be selling their plex to corp mates at very low prices who used to use real $ to buy them from CCP.
They might not even be asking for real $ . Maybe just giving them for help with something else or just instead of biomassing it all like they would in other games when the decided to make a firm break.
I've seen lots of people over the years leave game like WoW by reprocessing (i forget what they call it...been a while) epic items and handing out the cyrstals to past corpmates before deleting their character to burn the bridge behind them.
If 1/3 of those stock pile plex found their way into hands of people who routinely bought them from CCP , that would be a major hit to their cash inflows for months.
|
Talsha Talamar
Amarr
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
|
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:30:00 -
[14]
Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 25/06/2011 17:30:51
Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
If 1/3 of those stock pile plex found their way into hands of people who routinely bought them from CCP , that would be a major hit to their cash inflows for months.
To be honest, from the moment on they started to push the PLEX system,
I have been worried about their intent and financial situation.
CCPs plate seemed a bit to full:
a) Developing a Game for a highly competitive market without any prior experience in that market or technology (DUST).
b) Developing an Tripple-A MMO. (WOD)
c) Developing the engine for said MMO from grounds up, with very partial experience in that kind of technology. (DUST/INCARNA)
d) Maintaining and Developing an complex MMO (EVE)
e) Managing the successfull growth of the organization of the critical junctures from medium -> large and national -> international.
f) Managing the transition from a single-product to a multiple-product organisation.
g) ...
Sandbox or Death! |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
|
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:31:00 -
[15]
Well, I guess people who really want to be jerks about it would just sell everything for ISK and dump the ISK/characters into RMT ops... since, you know, they wouldn't really care if caught or not anymore.
_
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
|
Diomedes Calypso
|
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:38:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Talsha Talamar
Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 25/06/2011 17:30:51
Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
If 1/3 of those stock pile plex found their way into hands of people who routinely bought them from CCP , that would be a major hit to their cash inflows for months.
To be honest, from the moment on they started to push the PLEX system,
I have been worried about their intent and financial situation.
CCPs plate seemed a bit to full:
a) Developing a Game for a highly competitive market without any prior experience in that market or technology (DUST).
b) Developing an Tripple-A MMO. (WOD)
c) Developing the engine for said MMO from grounds up, with very partial experience in that kind of technology. (DUST/INCARNA)
d) Maintaining and Developing an complex MMO (EVE)
e) Managing the successfull growth of the organization of the critical junctures from medium -> large and national -> international.
f) Managing the transition from a single-product to a multiple-product organisation.
g) ...
That is a heckof a lot of corporate risk.. why they'd risk their "golden goose" with what would be called at the least, Divisive, really shows a streak of hubris .
And we know that hubris was the downfall of all the gallant greek heros.
|
Talsha Talamar
Amarr
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
|
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:58:00 -
[17]
Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 25/06/2011 17:59:43
Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
That is a heckof a lot of corporate risk.. why they'd risk their "golden goose" with what would be called at the least, Divisive, really shows a streak of hubris .
And we know that hubris was the downfall of all the gallant greek heros.
*nods*
Also as others and I have pointed out,
their organisational integrity seems to be brittle,
which fits well into the a) -> f) - (n...) scenario:
A few simple facts that support this:
1.) They did a 100% turnaround on RMT in one year.
2.) They felt the need to push the RMT-Agenda internally
with that disgusting magazin issue,
as well as big events like the RMT-conference.
3.) Employee loyality is so low, that documents were leaked.
In a healthy Small-Medium-Enterprise stuff like that usually does not happen, due to the high level of identification.
4.) The Glassdoor reviews that paint a very bleak picture.
Sandbox or Death! |
Liberty Eternal
|
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:02:00 -
[18]
I think the demonstrators suck, but you can't argue with the market. If it's on their side then they'll win.
|
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
|
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:15:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Liberty Eternal
I think the demonstrators suck, but you can't argue with the market. If it's on their side then they'll win.
The trend is your friend. Follow it!
Auditing | Research | 3rd Party | Collateral Holding | EvE RL Charity |
Kaethe Kollwitz
|
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:55:00 -
[20]
where do they stand atm?
|
|
|
wakalaka
Information And Entropy
|
Posted - 2011.06.26 00:06:00 -
[21]
The MT from this expansion didn't arrive with the expected strength (52 monocle? LOL?), and future promises of building the MT are heavily in question. Since MT was the force behind the recent growth of PLEX value, it's to be expected to lower its value at least until Hilmar provides a clearer pathwalk on MT for the hype to come back.
|
Zeta Zhul
Caldari
Preemptive Paranoia
|
Posted - 2011.06.26 01:31:00 -
[22]
Any comments on the dev blog?
CCP Zulu
If you haven't read it then you really -really- need to read it. I laughed.
|
Helena Ashcroft
|
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:11:00 -
[23]
I'm welcoming the PLEX drop from all the insane vets quitting. Keeps my accounts running on the cheap. 
However, it's obvious the next round of feedback is going to send things skyward again. Buy while you can.
|
Florestan Bronstein
draketrain
|
Posted - 2011.06.26 06:25:00 -
[24]
Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 26/06/2011 06:25:30
Originally by: Helena Ashcroft
I'm welcoming the PLEX drop from all the insane vets quitting. Keeps my accounts running on the cheap.
what about those bittervets that convert their assets into PLEX before they quit
you have to save these PLEX from some idiot spending them on NeX items or getting ganked with them in his cargohhold...
(would be more fun if we knew how CCP's accountants treat PLEX on inactive accounts)
|
Kiran
Minmatar
Knights of Azrael
|
Posted - 2011.06.26 06:50:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Nin Kimrov
At least that would an accounting and liquidity crisis.
But from what I see and feel, It really sound as the first steps SWG took with their new experience change.
Yep this is the one I was there when the so called NGE hit SWG. One day latter the servers were like ghost towns.
CCP is killing Eve just the same way SOE did with SWG.
|
Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
|
Posted - 2011.06.26 08:04:00 -
[26]
Edited by: Hel O''Ween on 26/06/2011 08:05:37
I think the "bittervets are leaving" is not so much a financial problem for CCP - at least in the short run. They most likely will out-do that with new subscriptions.
The problem is that with those vets leaving - Helicity Boson, Angel HUN, Ombey, to name a few prominent examples - EVE's content is leaving.
On average, a player stays 6-8 month in EVE. As it's an average, players like me with 5+ years accounts count towards those that stay even shorter. So, a real new player might try EVE 1-3 month. He then either quits or stays much longer. And only the later create EVE's unique content: the big alliances' fights & dramas, the financial scoops & scams, the player-run events. Anything that makes (not only the gaming industry's) press. And attracts new players.
With all those old players "upgrading" to "bittervets" and leaving, EVE is nothing but a hollow and empty universe.
Add to that the fact that existing customers are cheaper to keep than recruiting new customers, the alienating of its core user base that CCP was able to "achieve" with those bad ideas stupidly formulated dev blogs seems a very terrible thing to do.
BTW, I unsub'd one of my two accounts, too. The other is due for renewal in December. And I will carefully watch how CCP handles this fiasco, before letting it auto-renew.
--
EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
Sig Sour
|
Posted - 2011.06.26 08:40:00 -
[27]
You guys got it all wrong, its people racing out to buy monocles, big supply of plex... ****.. no I got that all wrong.
Still everything is FINE.
|
Florestan Bronstein
draketrain
|
Posted - 2011.06.26 09:16:00 -
[28]
Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 26/06/2011 09:17:10
Originally by: Hel O'Ween
With all those old players "upgrading" to "bittervets" and leaving, EVE is nothing but a hollow and empty universe.
But
(a) vets are extremely demanding customers. They remember every single word you said in public for the past 8 years and will try to hold you to it, they will tell every newbie about how your company messed up 4 years ago (which is ridiculous considering the average time your customers stick with EVE), they will tell everyone that the game is horribly broken (in areas that your average customer is not likely to experience ever), moan about abandoned features, ...
It's pretty much the same list of reasons that make newbies much better recruits for in-game corps than vets - the newbies might not own their own supercapital and have 20 alts but they are adorable, enthusiastic, extremely loyal if you hand them some breadcrumbs and they come in never-ending supply.
The newbie will happily spend several hours running his T1 industrial through half of empire just to help out with corp logistics, the bittervet is more likely to empty your corp hangar and go awoxing because your CEO was lacking the proper respect when addressing him.
(b) The disparity between new and old players is an ever-growing design problem for EVE - reducing the number of vets (in favor of more newbies) might reduce the pressure to rework game design a bit.
|
Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
|
Posted - 2011.06.26 11:25:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
It's pretty much the same list of reasons that make newbies much better recruits for in-game corps than vets - the newbies might not own their own supercapital and have 20 alts but they are adorable, enthusiastic, extremely loyal if you hand them some breadcrumbs and they come in never-ending supply.
The newbie will happily spend several hours running his T1 industrial through half of empire just to help out with corp logistics, the bittervet is more likely to empty your corp hangar and go awoxing because your CEO was lacking the proper respect when addressing him.
I agree to an extend. The big question is: will there be enough "vets" that will send those newbies halfway through the galaxy = is there any need for running a corp/alliance which would put those newbies to a good use and give them something to do after the initial tutorial and the "now, what's next"-moment thereafter, we've all been through?
It's not like EVE's PvE content is so exiting that it keeps you playing for years.
Well, time will tell.
--
EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
Talsha Talamar
Amarr
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
|
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:50:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
The newbie will happily spend several hours running his T1 industrial through half of empire just to help out with corp logistics, the bittervet is more likely to empty your corp hangar and go awoxing because your CEO was lacking the proper respect when addressing him.
Yes he will, for maybe 2 weeks, a month or at most two.
Then 95% of them will quit,
realizing that it will take them many month to get into the "real game".
EVEs low rentention-rate of new customers is legendary.
No fluff will change the core gameplay.
The core gameplay will continue to cater to a small subgroup of online gamers.
Unless of course.. CCP changes the Rules.
The horrible thing is, Pay2Win really makes sense in EVE from a shortsighted point of view.
The only question is: Would EVE as a product surive the transition.
In the fact that EVE is CCPs only "goolden goose" and needed to finance the other projects,
lies the insanity of their current planned business model.
Sandbox or Death! |
|
|
|
|
| |
|
| Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |