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Hillside Strangler	Posted - 2011.06.25 16:48:00 - [1] This is the thread where we keep track of the people who don't care about the current nerd-rage forum revolt. So I hear theres 2000-3000 players canceling, or not renewing their accounts. I think that EVE can afford to lose 1% of it's player base considering Incarna, DUST and other features coming in the future will easily attract far more than that number. lol @ protestors
Velani Askiras	Posted - 2011.06.25 16:58:00 - [2] Edited by: Velani Askiras on 25/06/2011 16:57:45 Originally by: Hillside Strangler This is the thread where we keep track of the people who don't care about the current nerd-rage forum revolt. So I hear theres 2000-3000 players canceling, or not renewing their accounts. I think that EVE can afford to lose 1% of it's player base considering Incarna, DUST and other features coming in the future will easily attract far more than that number. lol @ protestors lol @ false logic. There won't be any DUST nor WoD because: It has been more than clear (due to leaked documents, leaked email and reviews of ex-deployees) that CCP needs $$$ to fund DUST and WoD, plan was to use MT in EvE to increase the income for the just named projects. 52 monocles sold so far (70$~ each, one time seller). 2400+ accounts unsubbed (14.95$ / 14.95Ç each per month). Now, do the math.
Chun Tzu Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:02:00 - [3] lol @ false logic. There won't be any DUST nor WoD because: It has been more than clear (due to leaked documents, leaked email and reviews of ex-deployees) that CCP needs $$$ to fund DUST and WoD, plan was to use MT in EvE to increase the income for the just named projects. 52 monocles sold so far (70$~ each, one time seller). 2400+ accounts unsubbed (14.95$ / 14.95Ç each per month). Now, do the math. Whilst i agree with your post.. I must also LOL @ your false response.. You say 52 monocles sold... yes... but what about every other vanity item you cannot just include the most expensive item for a total, you must include ALL items and i would wager a bet that a lot more money has been generated by the lower level vanity items than the higher up ones.. Real life example.. Car companies/Electronic companies etc... sell far more of their lower priced items and only a few of their top range items, but its the lower priced items that keep the company in profit, and top is just for show....
I Are Alt	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:09:00 - [4] Originally by: Chun Tzu lol @ false logic. There won't be any DUST nor WoD because: It has been more than clear (due to leaked documents, leaked email and reviews of ex-deployees) that CCP needs $$$ to fund DUST and WoD, plan was to use MT in EvE to increase the income for the just named projects. 52 monocles sold so far (70$~ each, one time seller). 2400+ accounts unsubbed (14.95$ / 14.95Ç each per month). Now, do the math. Whilst i agree with your post.. I must also LOL @ your false response.. You say 52 monocles sold... yes... but what about every other vanity item you cannot just include the most expensive item for a total, you must include ALL items and i would wager a bet that a lot more money has been generated by the lower level vanity items than the higher up ones.. Real life example.. Car companies/Electronic companies etc... sell far more of their lower priced items and only a few of their top range items, but its the lower priced items that keep the company in profit, and top is just for show.... You are totally incorrect. The email indicated that the monocle sales exceed all other vanity items combined. So go ahead, double the revenue from the monocle sales in your math. It's a drop in the bucket of lost accounts.
Gangster101 PureLove	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:10:00 - [5] Edited by: Gangster101 PureLove on 25/06/2011 17:18:37 I couldn't care less +100
Hillside Strangler	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:11:00 - [6] Originally by: Velani Askiras Edited by: Velani Askiras on 25/06/2011 16:57:45 Originally by: Hillside Strangler This is the thread where we keep track of the people who don't care about the current nerd-rage forum revolt. So I hear theres 2000-3000 players canceling, or not renewing their accounts. I think that EVE can afford to lose 1% of it's player base considering Incarna, DUST and other features coming in the future will easily attract far more than that number. lol @ protestors lol @ false logic. There won't be any DUST nor WoD because: It has been more than clear (due to leaked documents, leaked email and reviews of ex-deployees) that CCP needs $$$ to fund DUST and WoD, plan was to use MT in EvE to increase the income for the just named projects. 52 monocles sold so far (70$~ each, one time seller). 2400+ accounts unsubbed (14.95$ / 14.95Ç each per month). Now, do the math. Well for the last 9 years CCP has been making plenty of money out of thin air (20$ character transfers, 20$ portrait modifications) people will continue to spend money on stupid things they don't really need. If CCP wants to offer people the option to spend more $ on pixels, im all for it.
Napoleon Baleine Interstellar Exploration Initiative	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:11:00 - [7] Originally by: I Are Alt Originally by: Chun Tzu lol @ false logic. There won't be any DUST nor WoD because: It has been more than clear (due to leaked documents, leaked email and reviews of ex-deployees) that CCP needs $$$ to fund DUST and WoD, plan was to use MT in EvE to increase the income for the just named projects. 52 monocles sold so far (70$~ each, one time seller). 2400+ accounts unsubbed (14.95$ / 14.95Ç each per month). Now, do the math. Whilst i agree with your post.. I must also LOL @ your false response.. You say 52 monocles sold... yes... but what about every other vanity item you cannot just include the most expensive item for a total, you must include ALL items and i would wager a bet that a lot more money has been generated by the lower level vanity items than the higher up ones.. Real life example.. Car companies/Electronic companies etc... sell far more of their lower priced items and only a few of their top range items, but its the lower priced items that keep the company in profit, and top is just for show.... You are totally incorrect. The email indicated that the monocle sales exceed all other vanity items combined. So go ahead, double the revenue from the monocle sales in your math. It's a drop in the bucket of lost accounts. also consider how many monocles were purchased for ISK (probably all) and how many of those were just purchased for lulz. CCP shouldn't be taking that as an indication that MT is doing well, they should see the combined sales of the other items falling short of the monocles as a failure. ___________________________________________ Napoleon's Wormole Sales and Third Party Services
I Are Alt	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:12:00 - [8] Originally by: Gangster101 PureLove Edited by: Gangster101 PureLove on 25/06/2011 17:10:39 I could care less +100 The expression is "I COULDN'T care less." Moron.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:14:00 - [9] Originally by: I Are Alt Originally by: Gangster101 PureLove I could care less +100 The expression is "I COULDN'T care less." Moron. Maybe he cares just a little, so he could technically care a bit less _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Velani Askiras	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:15:00 - [10] Originally by: Chun Tzu lol @ false logic. There won't be any DUST nor WoD because: It has been more than clear (due to leaked documents, leaked email and reviews of ex-deployees) that CCP needs $$$ to fund DUST and WoD, plan was to use MT in EvE to increase the income for the just named projects. 52 monocles sold so far (70$~ each, one time seller). 2400+ accounts unsubbed (14.95$ / 14.95Ç each per month). Now, do the math. Whilst i agree with your post.. I must also LOL @ your false response.. You say 52 monocles sold... yes... but what about every other vanity item you cannot just include the most expensive item for a total, you must include ALL items and i would wager a bet that a lot more money has been generated by the lower level vanity items than the higher up ones.. Real life example.. Car companies/Electronic companies etc... sell far more of their lower priced items and only a few of their top range items, but its the lower priced items that keep the company in profit, and top is just for show.... If that would be true, why did he only mention his 52 monocles in his mail? Wouldn't it make more sense to write down the most obviously income which in no doubt were just those 52 monocles?

Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:16:00 - [11] Edited by: Syn Callibri on 25/06/2011 17:17:16 <----- Could care less about the rage-quit minority...its the same bunch that rage-quit when Dominion released...etc...etc...etc... If peeps are going to quit then just do it without the "LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME, I'M IN AN EMO RAGE" headlines...you will be replaced, count on it. Oh...and givez your stuffz here.
Gangster101 PureLove	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:18:00 - [12] Originally by: I Are Alt Originally by: Gangster101 PureLove Edited by: Gangster101 PureLove on 25/06/2011 17:10:39 I could care less +100 The expression is "I COULDN'T care less." Moron. u mad bro? Simple typo and you revert to name calling lol
I Are Alt	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:18:00 - [13] Originally by: Syn Callibri Oh...and givez your stuffz here. Why? Saving up for a monocle?
Hillside Strangler	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:19:00 - [14] Originally by: Gangster101 PureLove Originally by: I Are Alt Originally by: Gangster101 PureLove Edited by: Gangster101 PureLove on 25/06/2011 17:10:39 I could care less +100 The expression is "I COULDN'T care less." Moron. u mad bro? Simple typo and you revert to name calling lol He can't afford a monocle, lulz
Velani Askiras	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:20:00 - [15] Edited by: Velani Askiras on 25/06/2011 17:25:46 nm... misread something, post deleted
Hillside Strangler	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:24:00 - [16] Should of saved all their whining for Sunday =)
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:25:00 - [17] Originally by: I Are Alt Originally by: Syn Callibri Oh...and givez your stuffz here. Why? Saving up for a monocle? Nah...I plan on ignoring the NX myself, just another button I don't use i/m/h/o.
Kenreikko Valitonen Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:26:00 - [18] The basic gameplay experience is still the same on the 25th of June as it was on the 24th. What has changed, through the coincidence of several events that I probably need not recap in detail right here (just listen to the EVE Radio panel recording), was a significant change in the underpinnings of the play. Although I'm sure it's been true for a long time, this massive PR failure has laid bare in a striking way the relationship that exists between CCP and the players. The happy assumption that the players were invited to come and experience a thrilling, challenging sandbox game and that the people who shaped its rules ultimately agreed with the community's vision -- that they were, despite being devs, fundamentally our fellow players/enthusiasts in the sandbox (if not friends brought together by a shared love for a hobby) -- is rather rudely dashed by: Quote: I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. That landed in our laps after the reversal on MT policies and disregard for the CSM, the wtf $99 idea, the flop that was AT9, the poorly-optimized CQ release (why not wait until you have a complete product to release anything?), being "shown the door" when opting out of CQ, the absurd NeX pricing, the Fearless leak, and Zulu's "have a nice weekend, jerks" non-devblog. In general, I'm not easy to offend, but after the fourth or fifth time a friend flips me off and tells me to go eat **** in one day, I start to wonder if they're not joking. Some folks will argue the EVE is a product and as consumers we have a choice to purchase it or not. That's true, but it's not the way I think a lot of people look at it. It's not how I look at EVE. Rather than a product, many like myself see EVE as a shared project. EVE gameplay is about creation. It's about making what you will of the cluster--carving out a corner of the sandbox for yourself. What you do in the game, even what you say, matters. It is unlike any other MMO on the market and for a long time the dynamic that existed between the company and the customers felt more like a partnership than a transaction. The community and the devs were creating something unique together. CCP still has a chance to reclaim that image, but they've got a steep slope to climb to get back to the top of the hill. Metaphorically, the rich kid who lives in a huge mansion with a fun park in the backyard invited us over to play, and for a while it seemed like he genuinely liked having us there and the fact that it was his house and his toys and his rules didn't matter because a sense of friendship trumped all that. Then one day, we overheard him telling his parents how he really felt about us and the opinions weren't very flattering. So, there's a choice to stay and keep playing because the toys are neat, but in doing so, you go on with the knowledge that your "friend" really isn't.
Katra Novac	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:29:00 - [19] Edited by: Katra Novac on 25/06/2011 17:29:35 They could of course dumb down the game so that's it's easy for 12 year olds to play with no real trouble. That would help subs doubt it'll improve Eve though.
Agrikaan Amarr Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:30:00 - [20] You don't think very far do you. The more that cancel subs, the less revenue CCP gets, already closing in on $500k annually. They don't get less expenses though. And they are most likely already running short for both the Dust and WoD development. They most likely predicted an increase in EVE subs when they comitted to those projects a few years ago. Active EVE player numbers have not increased very much in that time frame. Guess who they will be footing that bill to? Yeees, to you that remain. This money MUST come in, they have no other choice but to increase the sub costs, P2W MT stuff and other ways.

Q 5	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:31:00 - [21] I'm happy, GO AUR!!! i will buy lots of skill points to catch up with 8 yr old players, and buy faction ships too! stop whining just because your monopoly in game will be impacted.
Johny Fuckkin Dango	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:32:00 - [22] CCP is just getting rid of the idiots that will spoil everyone else game play before the new wave of players from incarna and dust come in. Pretty good idea if i don't say so myself.
Hillside Strangler	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:33:00 - [23] Actually, I wanna see someone post here that has a monocle, **** looks kinda cool
Arianna Satellizer	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:35:00 - [24] I have been spamming can I haz your stuff all day since protest started with all the thousands leaving behind. So far i just got myself 200 mil.... I expected more since a lot of them dont care anymore. Im pretty sure these protesters are still meat spinning till now lol
I Are Alt	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:36:00 - [25] Originally by: Hillside Strangler Actually, I wanna see someone post here that has a monocle, **** looks kinda cool CCP alt detected.
Katra Novac	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:36:00 - [26] Edited by: Katra Novac on 25/06/2011 17:37:49 Originally by: Johny **kin Dango CCP is just getting rid of the idiots that will spoil everyone else game play before the new wave of players from incarna and dust come in. Pretty good idea if i don't say so myself. So where are these new wave of players and why have we not seen them before now? Don't say CQ, because they will be bored with that within the first 5 minutes.
Agrikaan Amarr Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:37:00 - [27] Originally by: Arianna Satellizer I have been spamming can I haz your stuff all day since protest started with all the thousands leaving behind. So far i just got myself 200 mil.... I expected more since a lot of them dont care anymore. Im pretty sure these protesters are still meat spinning till now lol Haha, I have about 100 billion of stuff. I'd rather scrap it all, go earn your own schit.
Ra Vhim Black Bag Ops	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:37:00 - [28] At this stage, the number of people that stop playing isn't really the problem for CCP. The problem is that a lot of loyalty and trust have been lost. Those who leave will tell their friends and other gamers, rest assure that gaming sites and forums will write about the new CCP as well. Many of those who stay will have a grudge and relation between players and company will grow worse. Many will reduce the numbers of active accounts. In the eyes of many players, CCP has changed from being one of the most respected companies to something to they despise. The community and the company isn't "we" any longer. Their word will not be trusted any longer. Even if they bring good news, many will wonder what new greedy scheme they are trying to draw our attention from, or if it's just a play for the masses before they make changes for the worse. Most players didn't even care about WIS before this patch, now a lot hate it simply because it is forced and because CCP showed us that WIS is all about MT. How many believe that when we get out in the stations, we will somehow be part of the player market? Ambulation isn't about immersion any longer, it isn't about expanding the world, the goal is to create a secondary way to give money to CCP. True or not, the problem is still how players view it. Both those who stays and those who leaves. You think players are causing a fuss now? Just wait until next time CCP do something the players don't like (even if it is something innocent such as a bug). It will only grow worse. There are so many who lost their love and respect for CCP and they all know that CCP doesn't care because they are happy as long as they get money. This isn't an accident, to trade respect and trust for money is a a choice CCP think is worth while. It isn't just the usual crowd that is upset. It is all kinds of Eve players. Even some of the hardcore vets that have been here since the start is walking out. I don't believe it will work to be despised by a large part of the community. It sure can't be fun for those who work for CCP to be viewed as people who only have one purpose: take as much money as possible from the players. But here we are. The image of CCP is forever changed and I believe that can only lead to bad things.
Alley Specter	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:37:00 - [29] Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:16:54 -0400 To: [email protected] Subject: ccp ceo global msg sent today From: [email protected] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=öUTF-8″ Message-Id: <[email protected]> sent by hilmar to ccp global list- (strt) We live in interesting times; in fact CCP is the kind of company that if things get repetitive we instinctively crank it up a notch. That, we certainly have done this week. First of we have Incarna, an amazing technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago realized to a point that no one could have imaged but a few months ago. It rolls out without a hitch, is in some cases faster than what we had before, this is the pinnacle of professional achievement. For all the noise in the channel we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember. But we have done more, not only have we redefined the production quality one can apply to virtual worlds with the beautiful Incarna but we have also defined what it really means to make virtual reality more meaningful than real life when it comes to launching our new virtual goods currency, Aurum. Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world. Only a few weeks ago we revealed more information about DUST 514 and now we have done it again by committing to our core purpose as a company by redefining assumptions. After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store. This we have done after months of research by a group of highly competent professionals, soliciting input and perspective from thought leaders and experts in and around our industry. We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone. Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change. We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected. All that said, I couldnGÇÖt be prouder of what we have accomplished as a company, changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before. (end)
Lidia Prince Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.25 17:38:00 - [30] Edited by: Lidia Prince on 25/06/2011 17:39:16 Shhh! If you'll make threads like this, people will start thinking that there's guys with common sense in General! +1, and yes, can't wait for a moment when CCP will start banning those lemmings. Less idiots = better game. You hate changes? CCP have gone too far? Then support PvP players! Send all ISK to Lidia Prince and biomass your character now!



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