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Hillside Strangler
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:48:00 -
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This is the thread where we keep track of the people who don't care about the current nerd-rage forum revolt.
So I hear theres 2000-3000 players canceling, or not renewing their accounts.
I think that EVE can afford to lose 1% of it's player base considering Incarna, DUST and other features coming in the future will easily attract far more than that number.
lol @ protestors
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Velani Askiras
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: Velani Askiras on 25/06/2011 16:57:45
 Originally by: Hillside Strangler
This is the thread where we keep track of the people who don't care about the current nerd-rage forum revolt.
So I hear theres 2000-3000 players canceling, or not renewing their accounts.
I think that EVE can afford to lose 1% of it's player base considering Incarna, DUST and other features coming in the future will easily attract far more than that number.
lol @ protestors
lol @ false logic.
There won't be any DUST nor WoD because:
It has been more than clear (due to leaked documents, leaked email and reviews of ex-deployees) that CCP needs $$$ to fund DUST and WoD, plan was to use MT in EvE to increase the income for the just named projects.
52 monocles sold so far (70$~ each, one time seller).
2400+ accounts unsubbed (14.95$ / 14.95Ç each per month).
Now, do the math.
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Chun Tzu
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:02:00 -
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lol @ false logic.
There won't be any DUST nor WoD because:
It has been more than clear (due to leaked documents, leaked email and reviews of ex-deployees) that CCP needs $$$ to fund DUST and WoD, plan was to use MT in EvE to increase the income for the just named projects.
52 monocles sold so far (70$~ each, one time seller).
2400+ accounts unsubbed (14.95$ / 14.95Ç each per month).
Now, do the math.
Whilst i agree with your post.. I must also LOL @ your false response..
You say 52 monocles sold... yes... but what about every other vanity item you cannot just include the most expensive item for a total, you must include ALL items and i would wager a bet that a lot more money has been generated by the lower level vanity items than the higher up ones..
Real life example.. Car companies/Electronic companies etc... sell far more of their lower priced items and only a few of their top range items, but its the lower priced items that keep the company in profit, and top is just for show....
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I Are Alt
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Chun Tzu
lol @ false logic.
There won't be any DUST nor WoD because:
It has been more than clear (due to leaked documents, leaked email and reviews of ex-deployees) that CCP needs $$$ to fund DUST and WoD, plan was to use MT in EvE to increase the income for the just named projects.
52 monocles sold so far (70$~ each, one time seller).
2400+ accounts unsubbed (14.95$ / 14.95Ç each per month).
Now, do the math.
Whilst i agree with your post.. I must also LOL @ your false response..
You say 52 monocles sold... yes... but what about every other vanity item you cannot just include the most expensive item for a total, you must include ALL items and i would wager a bet that a lot more money has been generated by the lower level vanity items than the higher up ones..
Real life example.. Car companies/Electronic companies etc... sell far more of their lower priced items and only a few of their top range items, but its the lower priced items that keep the company in profit, and top is just for show....
You are totally incorrect. The email indicated that the monocle sales exceed all other vanity items combined. So go ahead, double the revenue from the monocle sales in your math. It's a drop in the bucket of lost accounts.
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Gangster101 PureLove
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Gangster101 PureLove on 25/06/2011 17:18:37
I couldn't care less +100
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Hillside Strangler
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Velani Askiras
Edited by: Velani Askiras on 25/06/2011 16:57:45
Originally by: Hillside Strangler
This is the thread where we keep track of the people who don't care about the current nerd-rage forum revolt.
So I hear theres 2000-3000 players canceling, or not renewing their accounts.
I think that EVE can afford to lose 1% of it's player base considering Incarna, DUST and other features coming in the future will easily attract far more than that number.
lol @ protestors
lol @ false logic.
There won't be any DUST nor WoD because:
It has been more than clear (due to leaked documents, leaked email and reviews of ex-deployees) that CCP needs $$$ to fund DUST and WoD, plan was to use MT in EvE to increase the income for the just named projects.
52 monocles sold so far (70$~ each, one time seller).
2400+ accounts unsubbed (14.95$ / 14.95Ç each per month).
Now, do the math.
Well for the last 9 years CCP has been making plenty of money out of thin air (20$ character transfers, 20$ portrait modifications) people will continue to spend money on stupid things they don't really need. If CCP wants to offer people the option to spend more $ on pixels, im all for it.
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Napoleon Baleine
Interstellar Exploration Initiative
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: I Are Alt
Originally by: Chun Tzu
lol @ false logic.
There won't be any DUST nor WoD because:
It has been more than clear (due to leaked documents, leaked email and reviews of ex-deployees) that CCP needs $$$ to fund DUST and WoD, plan was to use MT in EvE to increase the income for the just named projects.
52 monocles sold so far (70$~ each, one time seller).
2400+ accounts unsubbed (14.95$ / 14.95Ç each per month).
Now, do the math.
Whilst i agree with your post.. I must also LOL @ your false response..
You say 52 monocles sold... yes... but what about every other vanity item you cannot just include the most expensive item for a total, you must include ALL items and i would wager a bet that a lot more money has been generated by the lower level vanity items than the higher up ones..
Real life example.. Car companies/Electronic companies etc... sell far more of their lower priced items and only a few of their top range items, but its the lower priced items that keep the company in profit, and top is just for show....
You are totally incorrect. The email indicated that the monocle sales exceed all other vanity items combined. So go ahead, double the revenue from the monocle sales in your math. It's a drop in the bucket of lost accounts.
also consider how many monocles were purchased for ISK (probably all) and how many of those were just purchased for lulz. CCP shouldn't be taking that as an indication that MT is doing well, they should see the combined sales of the other items falling short of the monocles as a failure.
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I Are Alt
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gangster101 PureLove
Edited by: Gangster101 PureLove on 25/06/2011 17:10:39
I could care less +100
The expression is "I COULDN'T care less."
Moron.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: I Are Alt
Originally by: Gangster101 PureLove
I could care less +100
The expression is "I COULDN'T care less."
Moron.
Maybe he cares just a little, so he could technically care a bit less  
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Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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Velani Askiras
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Chun Tzu
lol @ false logic.
There won't be any DUST nor WoD because:
It has been more than clear (due to leaked documents, leaked email and reviews of ex-deployees) that CCP needs $$$ to fund DUST and WoD, plan was to use MT in EvE to increase the income for the just named projects.
52 monocles sold so far (70$~ each, one time seller).
2400+ accounts unsubbed (14.95$ / 14.95Ç each per month).
Now, do the math.
Whilst i agree with your post.. I must also LOL @ your false response..
You say 52 monocles sold... yes... but what about every other vanity item you cannot just include the most expensive item for a total, you must include ALL items and i would wager a bet that a lot more money has been generated by the lower level vanity items than the higher up ones..
Real life example.. Car companies/Electronic companies etc... sell far more of their lower priced items and only a few of their top range items, but its the lower priced items that keep the company in profit, and top is just for show....
If that would be true, why did he only mention his 52 monocles in his mail?
Wouldn't it make more sense to write down the most obviously income which in no doubt were just those 52 monocles?
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Syn Callibri on 25/06/2011 17:17:16
<----- Could care less about the rage-quit minority...its the same bunch that rage-quit when Dominion released...etc...etc...etc... If peeps are going to quit then just do it without the "LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME, I'M IN AN EMO RAGE" headlines...you will be replaced, count on it.
Oh...and givez your stuffz here.
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Gangster101 PureLove
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: I Are Alt
Originally by: Gangster101 PureLove
Edited by: Gangster101 PureLove on 25/06/2011 17:10:39
I could care less +100
The expression is "I COULDN'T care less."
Moron.
u mad bro? Simple typo and you revert to name calling lol
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I Are Alt
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Syn Callibri
Oh...and givez your stuffz here.
Why? Saving up for a monocle?
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Hillside Strangler
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gangster101 PureLove
Originally by: I Are Alt
Originally by: Gangster101 PureLove
Edited by: Gangster101 PureLove on 25/06/2011 17:10:39
I could care less +100
The expression is "I COULDN'T care less."
Moron.
u mad bro? Simple typo and you revert to name calling lol
He can't afford a monocle, lulz
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Velani Askiras
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: Velani Askiras on 25/06/2011 17:25:46
nm... misread something, post deleted
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Hillside Strangler
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:24:00 -
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Should of saved all their whining for Sunday =)
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: I Are Alt
Originally by: Syn Callibri
Oh...and givez your stuffz here.
Why? Saving up for a monocle?
Nah...I plan on ignoring the NX myself, just another button I don't use i/m/h/o.
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Kenreikko Valitonen
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:26:00 -
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The basic gameplay experience is still the same on the 25th of June as it was on the 24th. What has changed, through the coincidence of several events that I probably need not recap in detail right here (just listen to the EVE Radio panel recording), was a significant change in the underpinnings of the play. Although I'm sure it's been true for a long time, this massive PR failure has laid bare in a striking way the relationship that exists between CCP and the players. The happy assumption that the players were invited to come and experience a thrilling, challenging sandbox game and that the people who shaped its rules ultimately agreed with the community's vision -- that they were, despite being devs, fundamentally our fellow players/enthusiasts in the sandbox (if not friends brought together by a shared love for a hobby) -- is rather rudely dashed by:
Quote:
I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say.
That landed in our laps after the reversal on MT policies and disregard for the CSM, the wtf $99 idea, the flop that was AT9, the poorly-optimized CQ release (why not wait until you have a complete product to release anything?), being "shown the door" when opting out of CQ, the absurd NeX pricing, the Fearless leak, and Zulu's "have a nice weekend, jerks" non-devblog. In general, I'm not easy to offend, but after the fourth or fifth time a friend flips me off and tells me to go eat **** in one day, I start to wonder if they're not joking.
Some folks will argue the EVE is a product and as consumers we have a choice to purchase it or not. That's true, but it's not the way I think a lot of people look at it. It's not how I look at EVE. Rather than a product, many like myself see EVE as a shared project. EVE gameplay is about creation. It's about making what you will of the cluster--carving out a corner of the sandbox for yourself. What you do in the game, even what you say, matters. It is unlike any other MMO on the market and for a long time the dynamic that existed between the company and the customers felt more like a partnership than a transaction. The community and the devs were creating something unique together. CCP still has a chance to reclaim that image, but they've got a steep slope to climb to get back to the top of the hill.
Metaphorically, the rich kid who lives in a huge mansion with a fun park in the backyard invited us over to play, and for a while it seemed like he genuinely liked having us there and the fact that it was his house and his toys and his rules didn't matter because a sense of friendship trumped all that. Then one day, we overheard him telling his parents how he really felt about us and the opinions weren't very flattering. So, there's a choice to stay and keep playing because the toys are neat, but in doing so, you go on with the knowledge that your "friend" really isn't.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Katra Novac on 25/06/2011 17:29:35
They could of course dumb down the game so that's it's easy for 12 year olds to play with no real trouble. That would help subs doubt it'll improve Eve though.
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Agrikaan
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:30:00 -
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You don't think very far do you. The more that cancel subs, the less revenue CCP gets, already closing in on $500k annually. They don't get less expenses though. And they are most likely already running short for both the Dust and WoD development. They most likely predicted an increase in EVE subs when they comitted to those projects a few years ago. Active EVE player numbers have not increased very much in that time frame.
Guess who they will be footing that bill to? Yeees, to you that remain. This money MUST come in, they have no other choice but to increase the sub costs, P2W MT stuff and other ways.
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Q 5
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:31:00 -
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I'm happy, GO AUR!!! i will buy lots of skill points to catch up with 8 yr old players, and buy faction ships too! stop whining just because your monopoly in game will be impacted. |
Johny Fuckkin Dango
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:32:00 -
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CCP is just getting rid of the idiots that will spoil everyone else game play before the new wave of players from incarna and dust come in.
Pretty good idea if i don't say so myself.
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Hillside Strangler
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:33:00 -
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Actually, I wanna see someone post here that has a monocle, **** looks kinda cool
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Arianna Satellizer
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:35:00 -
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I have been spamming can I haz your stuff all day since protest started with all the thousands leaving behind. So far i just got myself 200 mil.... I expected more since a lot of them dont care anymore.
Im pretty sure these protesters are still meat spinning till now lol
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I Are Alt
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Hillside Strangler
Actually, I wanna see someone post here that has a monocle, **** looks kinda cool
CCP alt detected.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Katra Novac on 25/06/2011 17:37:49
Originally by: Johny ****kin Dango
CCP is just getting rid of the idiots that will spoil everyone else game play before the new wave of players from incarna and dust come in.
Pretty good idea if i don't say so myself.
So where are these new wave of players and why have we not seen them before now? Don't say CQ, because they will be bored with that within the first 5 minutes.
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Agrikaan
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Arianna Satellizer
I have been spamming can I haz your stuff all day since protest started with all the thousands leaving behind. So far i just got myself 200 mil.... I expected more since a lot of them dont care anymore.
Im pretty sure these protesters are still meat spinning till now lol
Haha, I have about 100 billion of stuff. I'd rather scrap it all, go earn your own schit.
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Ra Vhim
Black Bag Ops
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:37:00 -
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At this stage, the number of people that stop playing isn't really the problem for CCP. The problem is that a lot of loyalty and trust have been lost. Those who leave will tell their friends and other gamers, rest assure that gaming sites and forums will write about the new CCP as well. Many of those who stay will have a grudge and relation between players and company will grow worse. Many will reduce the numbers of active accounts.
In the eyes of many players, CCP has changed from being one of the most respected companies to something to they despise. The community and the company isn't "we" any longer. Their word will not be trusted any longer. Even if they bring good news, many will wonder what new greedy scheme they are trying to draw our attention from, or if it's just a play for the masses before they make changes for the worse.
Most players didn't even care about WIS before this patch, now a lot hate it simply because it is forced and because CCP showed us that WIS is all about MT. How many believe that when we get out in the stations, we will somehow be part of the player market? Ambulation isn't about immersion any longer, it isn't about expanding the world, the goal is to create a secondary way to give money to CCP.
True or not, the problem is still how players view it. Both those who stays and those who leaves. You think players are causing a fuss now? Just wait until next time CCP do something the players don't like (even if it is something innocent such as a bug). It will only grow worse. There are so many who lost their love and respect for CCP and they all know that CCP doesn't care because they are happy as long as they get money. This isn't an accident, to trade respect and trust for money is a a choice CCP think is worth while.
It isn't just the usual crowd that is upset. It is all kinds of Eve players. Even some of the hardcore vets that have been here since the start is walking out. I don't believe it will work to be despised by a large part of the community. It sure can't be fun for those who work for CCP to be viewed as people who only have one purpose: take as much money as possible from the players. But here we are. The image of CCP is forever changed and I believe that can only lead to bad things.
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Alley Specter
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:37:00 -
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Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:16:54 -0400
To: [email protected]
Subject: ccp ceo global msg sent today
From: [email protected]
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=öUTF-8″
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
sent by hilmar to ccp global list-
(strt)
We live in interesting times; in fact CCP is the kind of company that if things get repetitive we instinctively crank it up a notch. That, we certainly have done this week. First of we have Incarna, an amazing technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago realized to a point that no one could have imaged but a few months ago. It rolls out without a hitch, is in some cases faster than what we had before, this is the pinnacle of professional achievement. For all the noise in the channel we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember.
But we have done more, not only have we redefined the production quality one can apply to virtual worlds with the beautiful Incarna but we have also defined what it really means to make virtual reality more meaningful than real life when it comes to launching our new virtual goods currency, Aurum.
Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world. Only a few weeks ago we revealed more information about DUST 514 and now we have done it again by committing to our core purpose as a company by redefining assumptions. After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store.
This we have done after months of research by a group of highly competent professionals, soliciting input and perspective from thought leaders and experts in and around our industry. We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.
Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected.
All that said, I couldnGÇÖt be prouder of what we have accomplished as a company, changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.
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Lidia Prince
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Lidia Prince on 25/06/2011 17:39:16
Shhh! If you'll make threads like this, people will start thinking that there's guys with common sense in General!
+1, and yes, can't wait for a moment when CCP will start banning those lemmings. Less idiots = better game.
You hate changes?
CCP have gone too far?
Then support PvP players! Send all ISK to Lidia Prince and biomass your character now! |
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Demon Azrakel
Gallente
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Agrikaan
Edited by: Agrikaan on 25/06/2011 17:34:56
You don't think very far do you. The more that cancel subs, the less revenue CCP gets, already closing in on $500k annually. They don't get less expenses though. And they are most likely already running short for both the Dust and WoD development. They most likely predicted an increase in EVE subs when they comitted to those projects a few years ago. Active EVE player numbers have not increased very much in that time frame.
And since many that leaves now, are older players with 2-16 accounts, the F2P/W2P kiddies you expect that MIGHT follow, will likely have 1 account each.
So guess who they will be footing that bill to? Yeees, to you that remain. This money MUST come in, they have no other choice but to increase the sub costs, P2W MT stuff and other ways.
People arent coming into EVE to play Space Barbie. That will grow old real fast. And Dust is an exclusive PS3 FPS. Those kids wouldn't have a PS3 if they had a decent PC, so they're not coming either. Besides, not the same game genre.
QFT
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Katra Novac
Edited by: Katra Novac on 25/06/2011 17:37:49
Originally by: Johny ****kin Dango
CCP is just getting rid of the idiots that will spoil everyone else game play before the new wave of players from incarna and dust come in.
Pretty good idea if i don't say so myself.
So where are these new wave of players and why have we not seen them before now? Don't say CQ, because they will be bored with that within the first 5 minutes.
The better question is, why aren't the numbers showing that anyone has actually quit?
Oh...
You haven't.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Arianna Satellizer
I have been spamming can I haz your stuff all day since protest started with all the thousands leaving behind. So far i just got myself 200 mil.... I expected more since a lot of them dont care anymore.
Im pretty sure these protesters are still meat spinning till now lol
Hope dies last.. what's so hard to understand on that one?
Protesters only show CCP the line there as Hilmar asked for it.
This is a power struggle.
Only time will tell who got the shorter stick there..
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Borun Tal
Minmatar
Just Abide
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Hillside Strangler
This is the thread where we keep track of the people who don't care about the current nerd-rage forum revolt.
So I hear theres 2000-3000 players canceling, or not renewing their accounts.
I think that EVE can afford to lose 1% of it's player base considering Incarna, DUST and other features coming in the future will easily attract far more than that number.
lol @ protestors
1. Create new toon, post "I'm quitting!", biomass new toon. Trollage success.
2. unsubscribe, whine in forums for a week, run L4 missions to get plex, resubmit. Trollage success.
3. Unsub, post on "I'm quitting!" thread, restart account when you get bored with WoW again.
Epic fail. Leave, or don't. I said I was leaving a couple months ago, friend convinced me to change gameplay style, having fun again. Still here, hope everyone enjoyed the Mach and T2 ships I gave away.
Lesson: this is the intarwebs. People lie at the drop of a hat; 99.9% of the "I'm quitting!" posters are full of it. Want something to protest? How about all the existing bugs that aren't getting fixed, and the plethora of new bugs introduced in Incarna that nobody is talking about?
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Katra Novac
Originally by: Johny ****kin Dango
CCP is just getting rid of the idiots that will spoil everyone else game play before the new wave of players from incarna and dust come in.
Pretty good idea if i don't say so myself.
So where are these new wave of players and why have we not seen them before now? Don't say CQ, because they will be bored with that within the first 5 minutes.
The better question is, why aren't the numbers showing that anyone has actually quit?
Oh...
You haven't.
If you got some hope.. and 50% of the protesters have those I guess you wind down biz and prepare for hibernation in case CCP comes around. You might also note that some keep mains running for the time being.
Another quarter probably rather burn everything down instead of giving it to some idiots.
Can't vouch for the last quarter, best guess is they either donated it already to mates or trashed/biomassed.
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littlet15
Amarr
Anquietas Protectorate
Bang Bang You're Dead
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:48:00 -
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i ****ing love that graph. really, thats just made my day. oh and btw, if you wanna tell me that the high number of prominent community members, ex CSM delegates and ex ISD's that have confirmed their leaving are bul****ting, or the 900 + people who've suddenly joined the eve online chanel in perpetuum online on brand new trials are all bull****ing, you keep clinging to your idiocy.
littlet15, Carebears with teeth and guns, we're still working on the ammo. |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer
Hope dies last.. what's so hard to understand on that one?
Protesters only show CCP the line there as Hilmar asked for it.
This is a power struggle.
Only time will tell who got the shorter stick there..
Who will win? I think the outcome has already been decided. CCP is prepared to take their loss to go on with their plans. A significant number of (now) angry unsubbed players will swallow their pride and come back because other games bore them and they miss their friends. Most of them haven't even biomassed their characters and haven't given away their stuff. And you don't stay angry forever.
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xXxMason
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:49:00 -
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I'm waiting for proof that all the unsubs are really unsubbed, methinks its nerdrage and they are all talk. If you are going to ubsub, post the name of your account here. then, delete your account, then come back and say you did it.
/coolstory
Even if those unsub numbers are correct, I'm sure all of them use a credit card or RM to pay each month. I'm quite certain not a single one of them uses isk to buy plex to extend their subscription. Also, I'm sure none of them got extensions for signing up friends and new accounts either. To assume that each fake unsub costs CCP $14.95/month merely demonstrates how much of the nerdrage kool-aid you have drank, and your unwillingness to think rationally for yourself.
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Galdor
Gallente
Khatovar Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:51:00 -
[39]
I agree with the OP and could care less about the flamers and trolls' comments here because they haven't a clue obviously.
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Hillside Strangler
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:52:00 -
[40]
Originally by: xXxMason
I'm waiting for proof that all the unsubs are really unsubbed, methinks its nerdrage and they are all talk. If you are going to ubsub, post the name of your account here. then, delete your account, then come back and say you did it.
/coolstory
Even if those unsub numbers are correct, I'm sure all of them use a credit card or RM to pay each month. I'm quite certain not a single one of them uses isk to buy plex to extend their subscription. Also, I'm sure none of them got extensions for signing up friends and new accounts either. To assume that each fake unsub costs CCP $14.95/month merely demonstrates how much of the nerdrage kool-aid you have drank, and your unwillingness to think rationally for yourself.
It's all talk - If they really quit they would Biomass and STFU. They are just spamming jita, and the forums... hell it may even be agents from other games inciting the riots (conspiracy anyone?) 
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:53:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Lidia Prince
Edited by: Lidia Prince on 25/06/2011 17:40:30
Shhh! If you'll make threads like this, people will start thinking that there's guys with common sense in General!
+1, and yes, can't wait for a moment when CCP will start banning those lemmings. Less idiots = better game.
Or we can just wait for 5 more days. Gyaaah, I can't wait :3
So we are lemmings according to you and you're sheep, interesting there seems to be a similarity there.
A lot of those idiots as you call them are not idiots at all, they have a different view point. They care about the integrity of the Eve that was and now it looks to be destined to become something else.
If you have a problem with the ingame protest (Which I'm not part of) then take it up with CCP, because it's CCPs attitude to it's player base and their unwillingness to open up any meaningful dialogue that caused those ingame protests in the first place.
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Galdor
Gallente
Khatovar Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:53:00 -
[42]
If the trolls think their quitting really will change anything, then why don't they just go ahead and quit EVE and stop trolling the forums? lol.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:57:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Galdor
If the trolls think their quitting really will change anything, then why don't they just go ahead and quit EVE and stop trolling the forums? lol.
Like you're trolling now?
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Arianna Satellizer
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:01:00 -
[44]
Still tons of people in amarr and Jita....
I thought they unsubbed by now....
I bet they resubbed to enjoy the protest
CCP enjoying the publicity and in the end will entice more players to the game due to a very active political mayhem.
This is actually CCP's publicity move. You all have been had
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Sub Prime
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:03:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Sub Prime on 25/06/2011 18:03:27
Originally by: Arianna Satellizer
Still tons of people in amarr and Jita....
I thought they unsubbed by now....
I bet they resubbed to enjoy the protest
CCP enjoying the publicity and in the end will entice more players to the game due to a very active political mayhem.
This is actually CCP's publicity move. You all have been had
Are you honestly a window licker? Do you think if you pay for a 3 month sub and unsubscribe 1 month into it you can't login?
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Hillside Strangler
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:05:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Arianna Satellizer
Still tons of people in amarr and Jita....
I thought they unsubbed by now....
I bet they resubbed to enjoy the protest
CCP enjoying the publicity and in the end will entice more players to the game due to a very active political mayhem.
This is actually CCP's publicity move. You all have been had
Win
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:05:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Arianna Satellizer
Still tons of people in amarr and Jita....
I thought they unsubbed by now....
I bet they resubbed to enjoy the protest
CCP enjoying the publicity and in the end will entice more players to the game due to a very active political mayhem.
This is actually CCP's publicity move. You all have been had
Get smart! Being unsubscribed does not mean you don't have game access whilst you have game time left on the account. Still got 3 weeks on mine.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:08:00 -
[48]
"People Should Know When They're Conquered"
- Quintus (in "Gladiator")
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:16:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
"People Should Know When They're Conquered"
- Quintus (in "Gladiator")
Don't think anyone feels conquered, let down, lied to, betrayed maybe but conquered no.
Hope you enjoy the new Eve when it's gradually dumbed down and made more appealing to the younger players because that's the only way they likely to get an significant increase in the player base. Just think WoW kids in space.
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Eleena Wolf
Caldari
Unknown Soldiers
B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:18:00 -
[50]
i dont understand where this animosity is coming from. the aurum mt for eve(spaceships) as i understand it, is for the most part purely for vanity purposes. now lets go over the possibility if there is say something more, for example being able to purchase ships that are no longer widely used because they were handed out as prizes years ago. Im sorry i think its a damn tragedy that some of the coolest ship designs arent used because of the rarity. now i understand the concerns that is allowing people to purchase a win, I disagree wholeheartedly with that assumption. It's already been proven that one can have every single faction mod on a faction ship with an optimal fitting setup....and still lose said ship from being stupid, out maneuvered, out numbered, lag, etc, etc, the list goes on. so even if you could buy items that werent normally availible, most likely gameplay would change very little if at all, people would either be too scared to use them, or actually have the courage to use them, if for no other reason, then because through the micro transactions, they can get another one.
now if it goes this route i suggest it be done in the way that was mentioned for ishukone scorpion, a ship of hull of similar design along with the aurum, guardian vexor= x amount of aurum+ 1 ishtar (this is an example only) i doubt it will go this way, but i want to see more of the ships people just dont get to see anymore :/
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Hillside Strangler
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:19:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Katra Novac
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
"People Should Know When They're Conquered"
- Quintus (in "Gladiator")
Don't think anyone feels conquered, let down, lied to, betrayed maybe but conquered no.
Hope you enjoy the new Eve when it's gradually dumbed down and made more appealing to the younger players because that's the only way they likely to get an significant increase in the player base. Just think WoW kids in space.
Theres plenty of hardened EVE vets nowadays that started playing when they were tweens (think daniel jackson WW3 teamspeak lulz) I don't want kids on my TS server, but why not have them in the game?
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Jacoba Stalker
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:20:00 -
[52]
Hope all 50 of you idiots enjoy this massive universe. If you ever see each other it will be amazing.
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Hillside Strangler
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:21:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Jacoba Stalker
Hope all 50 of you idiots enjoy this massive universe. If you ever see each other it will be amazing.
I'm gonna start a corp ONLY for people with monocles. You can't play wifs us
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edith prickley
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:23:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Johny ****kin Dango
CCP is just getting rid of the idiots that will spoil everyone else game play before the new wave of players from incarna and dust come in.
Of course, Dust will launch buggy, like everything else CCP releases. It will flounder for a couple of months until the next CoD or whatever FPS flavour of the month, is released, and the user numbers drop like a stone.
They've already badly bungled the launch of Incarna. Time will tell if they can recover and do any better than break even on user numbers with this expansion. That's probably well shy of the predictions they gave their financial backers.
At some level Hilmar has the right idea by looking at the metrics rather than trusting forum hysteria for an objective viewpoint. But as has been mentioned, they've lost a lot of player confidence and trust. This may initially have only a subtle effect on the numbers. But by the time it is obvious in their metrics, it may already be too late.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:24:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Hillside Strangler
Originally by: Katra Novac
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
"People Should Know When They're Conquered"
- Quintus (in "Gladiator")
Don't think anyone feels conquered, let down, lied to, betrayed maybe but conquered no.
Hope you enjoy the new Eve when it's gradually dumbed down and made more appealing to the younger players because that's the only way they likely to get an significant increase in the player base. Just think WoW kids in space.
Theres plenty of hardened EVE vets nowadays that started playing when they were tweens (think daniel jackson WW3 teamspeak lulz) I don't want kids on my TS server, but why not have them in the game?
A lot of young kids get fed up with this game because they find it too hard to understand, so to make it easier for them the game will most likely be made easier too.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:25:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Katra Novac
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
"People Should Know When They're Conquered"
- Quintus (in "Gladiator")
Don't think anyone feels conquered, let down, lied to, betrayed maybe but conquered no.
Hope you enjoy the new Eve when it's gradually dumbed down and made more appealing to the younger players because that's the only way they likely to get an significant increase in the player base. Just think WoW kids in space.
Well I've seen this stuff happen before. People don't stay angry forever and most will either grumble a bit and play on or come back after a few months.
I don't think CCP is very much impressed, they are waiting on what the community actually does - with their wallet. All the protesters are still playing - thus paying. They take their time to let things cool down while working in Incarna 1.1.
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Eleena Wolf
Caldari
Unknown Soldiers
B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:27:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Originally by: Katra Novac
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
"People Should Know When They're Conquered"
- Quintus (in "Gladiator")
Don't think anyone feels conquered, let down, lied to, betrayed maybe but conquered no.
Hope you enjoy the new Eve when it's gradually dumbed down and made more appealing to the younger players because that's the only way they likely to get an significant increase in the player base. Just think WoW kids in space.
Well I've seen this stuff happen before. People don't stay angry forever and most will either grumble a bit and play on or come back after a few months.
I don't think CCP is very much impressed, they are waiting on what the community actually does - with their wallet. All the protesters are still playing - thus paying. They take their time to let things cool down while working in Incarna 1.1.
as long as ccp doesnt end up like mythic entertainment.
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:28:00 -
[58]
Originally by: xXxMason
I'm waiting for proof that all the unsubs are really unsubbed, methinks its nerdrage and they are all talk. If you are going to ubsub, post the name of your account here. then, delete your account, then come back and say you did it.
/coolstory
Even if those unsub numbers are correct, I'm sure all of them use a credit card or RM to pay each month. I'm quite certain not a single one of them uses isk to buy plex to extend their subscription. Also, I'm sure none of them got extensions for signing up friends and new accounts either. To assume that each fake unsub costs CCP $14.95/month merely demonstrates how much of the nerdrage kool-aid you have drank, and your unwillingness to think rationally for yourself.
It's not hard for a player to take a break for say.. six months. But it's really hard for CCP to survive a lot of players taking a break.
It's even harder now CCP's brilliant management decided to use most of our money to develop other games. They simply can't affort losing subs like this, not even if most of those eventually come back.
And if you think the unsubbers are not serious, go read them. I've read them all, and I'd be surprised if less then 90% is dead-serious about at least taking a break.
+ 1500 votes on MT in EVE | NO 79.03% | YES 5.02% | COSMETIC ONLY 11.23% | OTHER 4.73% |
Lonox
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:34:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Jacoba Stalker
Hope all 50 of you idiots enjoy this massive universe. If you ever see each other it will be amazing.
I've always wanted my own region!
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:36:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Katra Novac on 25/06/2011 18:37:50
Edited by: Katra Novac on 25/06/2011 18:37:19
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Originally by: Katra Novac
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
"People Should Know When They're Conquered"
- Quintus (in "Gladiator")
Don't think anyone feels conquered, let down, lied to, betrayed maybe but conquered no.
Hope you enjoy the new Eve when it's gradually dumbed down and made more appealing to the younger players because that's the only way they likely to get an significant increase in the player base. Just think WoW kids in space.
Well I've seen this stuff happen before. People don't stay angry forever and most will either grumble a bit and play on or come back after a few months.
I don't think CCP is very much impressed, they are waiting on what the community actually does - with their wallet. All the protesters are still playing - thus paying. They take their time to let things cool down while working in Incarna 1.1.
Some might come back, I won't if they carry on in the direct they're going, although I might not anyway since they've shown a total disregard for their customers, quite frankly CCP are a disgrace.
The issues for me is:
1) Items that give an ingame advantage.
2) Ships that don't require players to build them.
3) SP for cash/PLEX
4) Faction Rep for cash/PLEX
Those for are the game breakers of the old Eve.
All the others problems can be fixed in time.
And those 4 are why a lot are unsubscribing, they can't be fixed. Except to not include them in the first place. But CCPs attitude over this whole situation was lost them more players than they might have.
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Borun Tal
Minmatar
Just Abide
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:38:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Katra Novac
Get smart! Being unsubscribed does not mean you don't have game access whilst you have game time left on the account. Still got 3 weeks on mine.
And you fail just like all the other failquitters. Leave, or stfu. Nobody is buying it.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:44:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Katra Novac
Some might come back, I won't if they carry on in the direct they're going, although I might not anyway since they've shown a total disregard for their customers, quite frankly CCP are a disgrace.
The issues for me is:
1) Items that give an ingame advantage.
2) Ships that don't require players to build them.
3) SP for cash/PLEX
4) Faction Rep for cash/PLEX
Those for are the game breakers of the old Eve.
All the others problems can be fixed in time.
And those 4 are why a lot are unsubscribing, they can't be fixed. Except to not include them in the first place. But CCPs attitude over this whole situation has lost them more players than they might have.
Don't get me wrong, I like it when people stand up for what they feel is right. I also voice my opinion even if it's not always what most (EVE forum) people agree with.
But considering:
a) hardly any game developer communicates with or listens to their players;
b) there's hardly a replacement for EVE even if it had AUR for ships and SP;
c) people have their friends and invested a lot of time and money in the game;
I don't see a lot of people really leave. Even if it's less perfect compared to "the old days" it's still not as bad as most other games. It's the lack of competition that will save CCP.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:50:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Borun Tal
Originally by: Katra Novac
Get smart! Being unsubscribed does not mean you don't have game access whilst you have game time left on the account. Still got 3 weeks on mine.
And you fail just like all the other failquitters. Leave, or stfu. Nobody is buying it.
That's ok you're not required to believe me, that's your choice.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:54:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Katra Novac on 25/06/2011 18:54:38
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Originally by: Katra Novac
Some might come back, I won't if they carry on in the direct they're going, although I might not anyway since they've shown a total disregard for their customers, quite frankly CCP are a disgrace.
The issues for me is:
1) Items that give an ingame advantage.
2) Ships that don't require players to build them.
3) SP for cash/PLEX
4) Faction Rep for cash/PLEX
Those for are the game breakers of the old Eve.
All the others problems can be fixed in time.
And those 4 are why a lot are unsubscribing, they can't be fixed. Except to not include them in the first place. But CCPs attitude over this whole situation has lost them more players than they might have.
Don't get me wrong, I like it when people stand up for what they feel is right. I also voice my opinion even if it's not always what most (EVE forum) people agree with.
But considering:
a) hardly any game developer communicates with or listens to their players;
b) there's hardly a replacement for EVE even if it had AUR for ships and SP;
c) people have their friends and invested a lot of time and money in the game;
I don't see a lot of people really leave. Even if it's less perfect compared to "the old days" it's still not as bad as most other games. It's the lack of competition that will save CCP.
I think a lot will actually leave especially as CCP has acted like cads over this whole affair. Of course if they don't implement those 4 points then it might be a different story. But time will tell.
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:58:00 -
[65]
Do I count? I want them all to go - does that mean I care?
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Falcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:59:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Hillside Strangler
Originally by: Arianna Satellizer
Still tons of people in amarr and Jita....
I thought they unsubbed by now....
I bet they resubbed to enjoy the protest
CCP enjoying the publicity and in the end will entice more players to the game due to a very active political mayhem.
This is actually CCP's publicity move. You all have been had
Hurrdurr
Quoting the guy quoting how stupid he is...
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Troy LS
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:02:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Borun Tal
Originally by: Katra Novac
Get smart! Being unsubscribed does not mean you don't have game access whilst you have game time left on the account. Still got 3 weeks on mine.
And you fail just like all the other failquitters. Leave, or stfu. Nobody is buying it.
LOL. 3 pages of posts here, half of which are from people who get it. 285 pages on the 'pitch fork' thread and half again on the unsub forum. I hardly think that's "Nobody"
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:03:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Katra Novac
I think a lot will actually leave especially as CCP has acted like cads over this whole affair. Of course if they don't implement those 4 points then it might be a different story. But time will tell.
I also wonder what game CCP is playing. For the time being I see no none of your 4 points come true so I think not a lot of people will actually leave now. And if the time comes that it will become reality .. people will be used to the idea and they already protested.
They're probably playing some cognitive dissonance games with us.
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Icylce
Frost Palace
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:17:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
I also wonder what game CCP is playing. For the time being I see no none of your 4 points come true so I think not a lot of people will actually leave now. And if the time comes that it will become reality .. people will be used to the idea and they already protested.
They're probably playing some cognitive dissonance games with us.
I agree not many ppl will leave now. Tough make no mistake CCP will follow trough with the P2W stuff. If they didn't plan to they would have mentioned it in dev blog yesterday and save themselves lots extra work. I rarely play EVE now but I'm always on teamspeak with my friends. None of them has joined the protest (I did), but all of them are concerned about the P2W possibility. They might not quit about it completely, but they won't keep all their accounts active for sure (about 6 ppl with 5 to 10 accounts each).
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FeralShadow
NME1
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:20:00 -
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I don't care that people are unsubbing. I like the game and will keep playing.
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"If you want to taste the ground, feel free to attack." - Kenshin Himura
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Flaming Fran
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:34:00 -
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I just gotta ask. Has anyone here been in Jita lately? This isn't just some small forum revolt. Its spilling over ingame.
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Hillside Strangler
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:47:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Flaming Fran
I just gotta ask. Has anyone here been in Jita lately? This isn't just some small forum revolt. Its spilling over ingame.
It's odd how all those OMG BIOMASS players are still logged in.
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Dobbs Head
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:55:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Hillside Strangler
This is the thread where we keep track of the people who don't care about the current nerd-rage forum revolt.
So I hear theres 2000-3000 players canceling, or not renewing their accounts.
I think that EVE can afford to lose 1% of it's player base considering Incarna, DUST and other features coming in the future will easily attract far more than that number.
lol @ protestors
I personally do not care. In fact, I'll be adding another active account this week, so +1 sub.
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