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DeftCrow Redriver Gallente Best Path Inc. Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.25 19:49:00 - [1] Edited by: DeftCrow Redriver on 25/06/2011 19:54:24 Thanks to Tobiaz's post and hard work, we are now able to make an estimate on how much accounts are being inactive, and to estimate how much financial losss CCP is suffering from this fiasco. (tally post: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536495&page=1) Although US dollars per month is a practical unit for gauging projected income/losses, it looks boring. So why not change the units into something more interesting... such as monocles sold per day? Before we go further, let's get the units straight. I will restate the price conversion rate for monocles to US dollars: 1 PLEX = 3500 AUR 1 Monocle = 12,000 AUR = 3.43 PLEX = 12000/350017.5 = $60. Therefore, 1 Monocle sold / day = $1800 / month of income. (I know, one month is always 30 days in EVE.) For simplicity, I will assume that the subscription fee for every account is paid in US dollars. I will, however, note the difference between accounts paying a monthly subscription fee and accounts paying with PLEX/time codes, as a PLEX is worth $17.5/month whereas the regular subscription fee is $15/month. (Also, the negative reaction from the gaming community is bound to reduce the number of new players coming to this game, but this effect is out of the scope of this post so will not be discussed here.) Then, to simplify the conversion rate, 1 Paying account = $15/month = $.5/day = 0.0833.. monocle / day. 1 PLEX/time code account = $17.5/month = $.583../day = .0972.. monocle / day. Then, the rest is simple; just count up the number of paying accounts and PLEX accounts, then multiply by the conversion rate for monocle sold/day. Accounts not specified otherwise will be counted as a paying account to give a more conservative estimate. Let's begin, shall we? As per post 1589 of Tobiaz's thread... Paying Accounts (monthly subscription): 3155 Paying Accounts (Yearly Subscription): 3 PLEX / Time Code Accounts: 89 Financial Loss: Estimated $49,000 / month* Monocles to sell per day, in order to make up for financial loss: Estimated 27.2 monocles/day This post will be updated periodically.
DeftCrow Redriver Gallente Best Path Inc. Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.25 20:03:00 - [2] As per post 1601, Total financial loss = $49,500 / month = 27.5 monocles / day
Vyper Harkonnen	Posted - 2011.06.25 20:06:00 - [3] Lol, loving this thread. Maybe if we put financial losses in terms CCP can understand, they'll start to get it. Waiting for a thread on pairs of $1000 pants per day/week/month losses.
Kainulf Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.25 20:26:00 - [4] Oh, I like this. Hopefully we will keep pushing that number up. "Noise in the channel." "Very predictable feedback." 2000+ subscriptions cancelled Major trade hubs near-standstill STAY THE COURSE
SasRipper H A V O C Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.25 21:14:00 - [5] Nice! Fearless leak Commentary vid
Ron Whisper Caldari Undiscovered Force	Posted - 2011.06.25 21:16:00 - [6] Folks,.. i urge EVERYONE to have a look at this Vid,... LISTEN TO THE SONG, READ THE TEXT and post this in your sig as a PROTEST to the path CCP is willing to walk. CCP, YOU DON'T KNOW CCP, YOU DON'T KNOW
Theocrates	Posted - 2011.06.25 21:16:00 - [7] Unless of course they figure that as time goes on most of those unsubbs will puss out, or they will gain even so much as 5000 new accounts to replace them due to expanded CQ and Nex options. *By coffee alone I set my mind in motion, by the beans of Java thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning, by coffee alone I set my mind in motion.*
Wolfie276	Posted - 2011.06.25 21:17:00 - [8] These monocles became a ****ing meme on these forums or what? In such a scenario, then jolly good. Continue.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.06.25 21:18:00 - [9] I approve of this. This signature is brought to you by Nvidia(tm)
Icylce Frost Palace	Posted - 2011.06.25 21:21:00 - [10] Originally by: Theocrates Unless of course they figure that as time goes on most of those unsubbs will puss out, or they will gain even so much as 5000 new accounts to replace them due to expanded CQ and Nex options. Expanded CQ in horizon of 4years? Expanded Nex options as sp for aur standing for aur? Now that will surely attract a lot of customers!

Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.06.25 21:25:00 - [11] Originally by: Theocrates Unless of course they figure that as time goes on most of those unsubbs will puss out, or they will gain even so much as 5000 new accounts to replace them due to expanded CQ and Nex options. Except even with 5000 new accounts, it's still a loss compared to the 7500+ (5000 new + 2500+ not canceled) accounts they could have if they hadn't screwed up so badly. No matter how you look at it, this is costing CCP a lot of money, and that's not even counting the damage to their reputation. As for the idea that EVE is going to see lots of new subscribers because of the ability to buy stuff for real money? I'd say nobody could be stupid enough to actually believe that, but that's exactly what some idiot dev at CCP said. -----------
Quacka Minmatar Dark Tree Industries	Posted - 2011.06.25 21:30:00 - [12] Hehe I kinda like this thread. Keep it updated.
DeftCrow Redriver Gallente Best Path Inc. Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.25 21:58:00 - [13] Up to date as per post 1682.
DeftCrow Redriver Gallente Best Path Inc. Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.25 22:54:00 - [14] Up to date as per post 1734.
Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:04:00 - [15] I would like to comment though that obviously there is always a considerable margin of error. I do try to filter the most obvious double-poasters or trolls and some I've contacted for additional verification. But in the end it doesn't matter. Even if the margin of error is like 25% (which is highly unlikely) CCP is still going to be in trouble if that thread keeps growing at the (increasing) speed it is now. In my opinion the players simply don't realize how strong we are as a consumer group. Most of us can take a half year time-out without breaking a sweat, but CCP will sweat like a pig if its income gets halved for even a month. + 1500 votes on MT in EVE \| NO 79.03% \| YES 5.02% \| COSMETIC ONLY 11.23% \| OTHER 4.73%
52 MonocIes 52 Monocles	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:04:00 - [16] Good thread, but I'd love the number to get greater than 52 lost monocles per day, how many unsubs do we need for that? [justify][b]I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. All those moments will be
Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:16:00 - [17] You're forgetting several things: 1. How many of those unsubs will be permanent? Who has biomassed? I'd wager next to nobody. 2. How many of those unsubs are outright lies? Sure a lot of alts in that thread.... 3. A lot of "accounts" are being counted as unsubs. 3x accounts for one subscription, you know. 4. The NeX store isn't just monocles
Blackjack 3v3	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:30:00 - [18] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Theocrates Unless of course they figure that as time goes on most of those unsubbs will puss out, or they will gain even so much as 5000 new accounts to replace them due to expanded CQ and Nex options. Except even with 5000 new accounts, it's still a loss compared to the 7500+ (5000 new + 2500+ not canceled) accounts they could have if they hadn't screwed up so badly. No matter how you look at it, this is costing CCP a lot of money, and that's not even counting the damage to their reputation. As for the idea that EVE is going to see lots of new subscribers because of the ability to buy stuff for real money? I'd say nobody could be stupid enough to actually believe that, but that's exactly what some idiot dev at CCP said. What reputation my friend this game became the joke of the MMO industry over night. I`m not talking about the community / forum reaction just google "eve online microtransactions" - it`s such a bad joke even players of other mmo games talk about it on their forum. Let`s not mention the gaming sites and what they say in regards to what this Sims Online became ... it was a game about space ships now it`s about 1000$ pants F.U.C.K. This
DeftCrow Redriver Gallente Best Path Inc. Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:52:00 - [19] Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet Snip 1, 2, 3: You know what an "estimate" is, right? 4: It is the most easily recognizable item in the NeX. Not only as the main item for the first iteration of NeX(hence the Give Me Monocles or Give Me NeX! title), but also as a traditional status symbol for the rich and powerful("Monocle and Tophat"). If you have problems with that, convert the units to "full attire sold per day" or something by yourself.
DeftCrow Redriver Gallente Best Path Inc. Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.26 00:03:00 - [20] Thank you for the advice Tobiaz, I may reduce the degree of precision to accommodate such sources of errors. 52 Monocles, assuming $15/month for everyone, that will be around 6300 accounts unsubscribed. Thread is up to date as of post 1779.

Roblight The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.06.26 00:05:00 - [21] Edited by: Roblight on 26/06/2011 00:07:44 For those saying look at other stuff like cloths, I hope you like paying more for your virtual shirts then to buy a real shirt from CCP http://i.imgur.com/g3hEB.jpg
DeftCrow Redriver Gallente Best Path Inc. Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.26 05:39:00 - [22] Up to date as per post 1935.
Dakin Chang	Posted - 2011.06.26 06:02:00 - [23] Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet You're forgetting several things: 1. How many of those unsubs will be permanent? Who has biomassed? I'd wager next to nobody. 2. How many of those unsubs are outright lies? Sure a lot of alts in that thread.... 3. A lot of "accounts" are being counted as unsubs. 3x accounts for one subscription, you know. 4. The NeX store isn't just monocles Ok, so lets say that only 1/5 of those cancellation numbers are permanent. And lets double the monthly revenue from NeX to include other items. That still comes out to $11,600 lost vs. $3600 gained.
Cyriel Longinus Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2011.06.26 06:19:00 - [24] Edited by: Cyriel Longinus on 26/06/2011 06:26:13 Originally by: Theocrates Unless of course they figure that as time goes on most of those unsubbs will puss out, or they will gain even so much as 5000 new accounts to replace them due to expanded CQ and Nex options. Consider the learning curve and that not everyone in this community are social anchors. The people that take on the thankless role of corp or alliance leadership are crucial nodes in the social networks within EVE and this community. When one quits EVE, there is exist a noticeable break in the links that connect individuals that are content to just follow along with their group in the pursuit of internet spaceship fun. Directors, CEOs and Alliance Leaders are not one day old account holders. The best ones are leaders by example, databanks of knwoledge and experience. They are comprised of veteran players. Whom share knowledge with the next generation of players. They are the ones who write tutorials and mentor noobs. Remember, EVE is not something you can just grind to Level 50. No one follows day old account holder. So if thousands of accounts unsub, it could be highly probably that a percentage of those unsubs are veteran players. A community resource that perpetuates the existence of the community and the game. This game cannot recover those losses. [Cy + blog] This song sums up my current feelings about NeX.
DeftCrow Redriver Gallente Best Path Inc. Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:36:00 - [25] Up to date as per post 2176. The amount of estimated financial loss has been increasing at a steady, and frightening rate. It's not even remotely funny anymore.
Bootleg Jack	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:38:00 - [26] Edited by: Bootleg Jack on 26/06/2011 15:44:28 Edited by: Bootleg Jack on 26/06/2011 15:42:08 Translation: I suck and can't earn the ISK for an eye piece, I hope bad things happen to the people who made it cost so much. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA EDIT: Do you think all those subs were veterans? It will be awesome if all the cry babies have high SP.
DeftCrow Redriver Gallente Best Path Inc. Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:41:00 - [27] Originally by: Bootleg Jack Snip I care nothing about monocles. It's CCP management's attitude I have trouble with. Hence putting the situation in units they can easily understand.
Blood Fart	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:42:00 - [28] Originally by: DeftCrow Redriver Financial Loss: $64,000/month, $770,000/year, or 35.6 Monocles / Day OR 770 pairs of pants per/yr
Mutant Caldari Caldari Percussive Diplomacy The Phoenix. Consortium	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:48:00 - [29] Originally by: Bootleg Jack Edited by: Bootleg Jack on 26/06/2011 15:44:28 Edited by: Bootleg Jack on 26/06/2011 15:42:08 Translation: I suck and can't earn the ISK for an eye piece, I hope bad things happen to the people who made it cost so much. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA EDIT: Do you think all those subs were veterans? It will be awesome if all the cry babies have high SP. Hey br0, might wanna wipe the corner of your mouth. Got a little something white and viscous there. Did you just come from a meeting with Hilmar? Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
Bootleg Jack	Posted - 2011.06.26 15:56:00 - [30] Originally by: DeftCrow Redriver Originally by: Bootleg Jack Snip I care nothing about monocles. It's CCP management's attitude I have trouble with. Hence putting the situation in units they can easily understand. Obviously you have never worked in a software company. Here is how it works, the good ideas, they barely get writen up. Why? Because they are good ideas and it don't take a lot of politics to SELL the idea. Bad ideas, like in that pdf, they get written up, why? Because they are bad ideas that most people reject out of hand, but the idea person wants to SELL his ideas to he writes them up in a document and circulates it like the ideas are real. This is just part of the design game. If customers saw every stupid idea every designer has the computer industry would have never made it past the mini computers. Quitting based on content that doesn't even exist is just plain stupid. Second, even if the really dumb ideas get out, like buying ships with AUR, all you have to do is take your head our of your ass for about 15 seconds to figure out you can buy anything with ISK that you can buy with AUR since the currencies are freely convertable. All all these threads are is fools and drama queens.



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