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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.05 14:40:00 -
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It only has to do with CCPs money management and although a lot of players are ****ed about it, heres how it works;
CCP introduced PLEX. ****loads of PLEX got purchased, only some got used.
So CCP "owes" server time to x amount of people but has their cash.
CCP takes the cash and invests it in Dust 514 and WoD.
Seems like a good plan to me.
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Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2011.08.05 14:50:00 -
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It is always better for a growing business to get it's money in advance. It's like receiving an interest free loan. One that they never have to pay back, as the only thing they really have to do is keep the servers running... which they were going to do (and budget for) anyway. They never have to pay that liability back other than continue to operate. It costs the same amount for CCP to keep the servers running for one person as it does to keep them running for 370K people.
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Maximum Kiely
Caldari
Kiely and Son Salvage
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Posted - 2011.08.05 14:51:00 -
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They may have some legal issues with applying a time limit to PLEX. Where I live companies tried this with store gift cards and laws were created to protect consumers when prepaying for services or products to be determined. They got your money, the conversion of that money into data in the form of a gift card cannot have an expiry date applied. It is by law theft.
I think a smart lawyer would be able to tie the two together making the PLEX expiration a potential can of worms for CCP.
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Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.08.05 14:51:00 -
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I just want to shake the people that think that "ccp get no money when I pay for my account with isk via plex".
Actually I want to smack them, repeatedly, with a very dense, blunt instrument.
CCP Sells "30 days of game time". Someone buys plex. You buy plex for isk. You use plex to extend game time. CCP has been paid for your game time.
Whether you pay CCP, or someone else purchases a plex - CCP has been paid.
NOW - if you wish to discuss "future liabilities" in a business environment, sure, knock yourself out - but quit FACKING saying "I pay for my account with plex - so CCP isn't making any money".
Its *WRONG*.
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Taedrin
Gallente
Zero Percent Tax Haven
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Posted - 2011.08.05 15:08:00 -
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Edited by: Taedrin on 05/08/2011 15:10:14
Actually, by all accounts PLEX can be nothing but good for CCP.
While unused PLEX represent a liability for CCP on their balance sheets, they are essentially a zero-collateral, zero-interest loan from the players to CCP. Due to inflation, it is in CCP's best interests to sell as much game time as early as possible. The only way for PLEX to be a Bad Thing(tm) for CCP is if one of the following cases take place:
1) CCP misuses the money they earn from PLEX sales without keeping a watchful eye on the state of the PLEX market. Even though PLEX are essentially a zero-collateral, zero-interest loan, they are still a loan and must eventually be repaid through game time. If the projects funded by money from PLEX sales do not reduce costs, attract new players and/or open up new sources of revenues, THEN CCP is in trouble.
2) CCP reaches a point where they need to raise subscription costs. If they do so, any recently purchased PLEX still in the system would represent a potential month of gametime that CCP must provide for the previous, lower price. Mind you that very, very old PLEX still in the system would be unaffected by a raising of subscription costs so long as the price increase follows inflation.
Point #1 holds true for ANY business which operates on credit. IE, virtually all of them. Or in other words, the risks inherent to point #1 are risks that EVE Online is already exposed to, except through traditional loans.
Point #2 can be avoided so long as CCP is able to continue doing business without raising subscription costs. If they are able to do this, this means that they are reducing the costs of doing business at a rate equal to (or greater) than the rate of inflation. If CCP raises subscription prices, they will find that player will be driven to drain stocks of PLEX rather than pay with a credit card. Thus, any naive predictions of income due to increased subscription prices which fail to take into account the PLEX market will be over-optimistic.
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"how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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PaulTheConvoluted
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Posted - 2011.08.05 15:32:00 -
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Forgive me for quoting them out of order, but:
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
For every PLEX used for AUR stuff or character transfers, CCP has a $17.50 extra profit.
True, someone along the line gave CCP real money to buy the PLEX.
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
For every PLEX used for gametime, CCP misses one month of subscription.
False, as someone along the line gave CCP real money in exchange for the PLEX :) Well, technically, they indeed miss out on the _subscription_, but not on the money the subscription would yield them, nor on the active player.
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Normal citizen
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Posted - 2011.08.05 15:49:00 -
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Agreed. Maybe let us buy CCP shares with plex? I'd definitely do that, and eventually the playerbase might even control a respectable sum of shares to have influence in CCPs actions, which I think wouldn't hurt the company as of now. CSM is nice and all, but boy would it be nice publicity if the players actually ran the game
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Solhild
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Posted - 2011.08.05 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Normal citizen
Agreed. Maybe let us buy CCP shares with plex? I'd definitely do that, and eventually the playerbase might even control a respectable sum of shares to have influence in CCPs actions, which I think wouldn't hurt the company as of now. CSM is nice and all, but boy would it be nice publicity if the players actually ran the game
So if CCP issued a portion of shares, would you buy them? I think I would - maybe up to ú1000 worth. I wonder what % of CCP they's issue, and how much this could raise???
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Swynet
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.08.05 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Swynet on 05/08/2011 16:02:12
Originally by: Pherick Sjang
EVE's real problem is tards.
We all know you guys know a lot about those, you're full of them.
Have you already mined some ice? -you should 
+1 op
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Solhild
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Posted - 2011.08.05 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Swynet
Edited by: Swynet on 05/08/2011 16:02:12
Originally by: Pherick Sjang
EVE's real problem is tards.
We all know you guys know a lot about those, you're full of them.
Have you already mined some ice? -you should
+1 op
Yes, that will be a bad move this winter. EVE will never be an epic Sci-Fi sandbox if the default decision in game design is to push everyone eventually to 0.0 to pay rent to the goons/others!
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Ana Vyr
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.08.05 16:35:00 -
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What amazes me is that so many folks have to be buying PLEX's with real cash.
That speaks volumes about how fun it is to earn money using actual game mechanics instead of cheating (by metagaming the aquisition of game currency with real money).
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LittleTerror
Corp 3472847
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Posted - 2011.08.05 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Toanfoal
Originally by: Acht Sieben
You're all ******ed. Money received now sits in accounts and investments now and earns interest now.
You think CCP is in trouble because they got paid ealier? Economics, learn some.
At the end of 6 months, you will have more money if you get all the money on day 1, than 6 payments spread out, because you can't earn interest on the whole amount until you actually have the whole amount.
You're making an awful big assumption that large entities like corporations and governments will responsibly invest that money.
You're making an awful big assumption that a large successful and growing company like CCP wouldn't. |
Alayla Nightfall
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Posted - 2011.08.05 16:56:00 -
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-1 too much text.
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Aldan Romar
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.08.05 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ana Vyr
What amazes me is that so many folks have to be buying PLEX's with real cash.
That speaks volumes about how fun it is to earn money using actual game mechanics instead of cheating (by metagaming the aquisition of game currency with real money).
PLEX are a metagame mechanic for those who can't invest a lot of time, yet still want to play...
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Russell Casey
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Posted - 2011.08.05 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ana Vyr
What amazes me is that so many folks have to be buying PLEX's with real cash.
That speaks volumes about how fun it is to earn money using actual game mechanics instead of cheating (by metagaming the aquisition of game currency with real money).
Given how ridiculously expensive everything above T1 is, would you want to try to farm the isk up on one account? Or even three? Then have to do it again because you let the wrong guy into your corp, lagged, forgot to check local or happened to mis-click the wrong gate?
Even if it kills the game (in spirit) by letting you jump ahead thanks to your credit card, I can't fault CCP for introducing PLEX. The alternative would be spam-bots in every non-private channel, and even worse level of RMT/botting.
Maybe PLEX was a good thing for EVE, but $70 monocles and whatever cheap schemes come afterwards are the price to pay for it.
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Maxx Q Omega
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Posted - 2011.08.05 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Maxx Q Omega on 05/08/2011 18:09:30
Originally by: Quofeous
i know i may get some people hating me for saying this but...
So don't say it. Another whiney PLEX thread....
Originally by: Asuri Kinnes
I just want to shake the people that think that "ccp get no money when I pay for my account with isk via plex".
Actually I want to smack them, repeatedly, with a very dense, blunt instrument.
CCP Sells "30 days of game time". Someone buys plex. You buy plex for isk. You use plex to extend game time. CCP has been paid for your game time.
Whether you pay CCP, or someone else purchases a plex - CCP has been paid.
NOW - if you wish to discuss "future liabilities" in a business environment, sure, knock yourself out - but quit FACKING saying "I pay for my account with plex - so CCP isn't making any money".
Its *WRONG*.
It's like this because so many people are STUPID...
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JC Ferguson
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.08.05 18:13:00 -
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tl;dr CCP is like the trailer trash that wins the lottery, takes the lump-sum instead of the 20-year annuity, and ends up broke after 2 years.
The problem isn't with PLEX, it's with CCP.
The best PLEX sink is a good game that attracts more and more new subscribers. CCP should try making one.
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hellbent uglavitch
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Posted - 2011.08.05 18:32:00 -
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I just hope a better company buys out CCP
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Valari Nala Zena
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.08.05 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: hellbent uglavitch
I just hope a better company buys out CCP
In before people are suggesting Sony.
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Ashen Krenn
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Posted - 2011.08.05 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: hellbent uglavitch
I just hope a better company buys out CCP
What Software manufacturer out there, has as much interaction with its player base as CCP?
What Software manufacturer out there listens to their customers as much as CCP?
CCP may not be a perfect company, everyone makes bad decisions every now and then, but they do a much better job than any other gaming company I can name.
What company, that could afford to buy an already well established business, would you want to buy CCP?
Odds are, a company capable of purchasing them would be significantly worse than anything CCP could do, while at the same time completely ignoring their player base.
Think about what you're saying.
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BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2011.08.06 03:57:00 -
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It has been mentioned years ago (apocrypha era ) somewhere, someone repeated the idea that a PLEX card has an expiry date of 8-12 months. If it's not used, it's revoked and placed on market at the standard/average region price, the ISK would go back to ccp and not the holder. I imagine this is because he quit and maybe he'll never return to use it.
Then opposed to this, you have the PLEX hoarders, that like to keep these things stashed like gold bricks and crack. resell them at higher values elsewhere, or w/e
As it stands, there is no problem with PLEX and it's a good thing for the game. it could have more rules and turn it into a virtual gift certificate that has an expiry date, however lots of the playerbase would not appreciate this.
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