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Quofeous Zor Industries	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:40:00 - [1] Edited by: Quofeous on 26/06/2011 08:43:44 i know i may get some people hating me for saying this but plex are eve's death nail if ccp dont wake up, here's why i think this,how many of the dam things are there in game at the mo. All i know is that there is way way too many for eve's good, and a lot of people who have been playing the game for a long time dont pay for eve they use plex's to sub them selfs becouse they have been in game so long that they are rich, so why pay for eve when you can use a plex that cost's 370 to 380 mill ish when you have muti billions in isk, younger players will pay you real life money to play a lot of vets i would say dont yes people will say but ccp still are getting the money off you as such,yes that is right in some ways but in other's no it is not becouse that is money that ccp has already had ie last week or 2 years ago. that money that was paid for the plex all that time ago has been used up as such 1, making ccp a bigger company and also 2, as the funds to make dust and that piece of carbadge vampire game not my cup of tea sorry ccp that is a game i will never play but the problem is that ccp is not getting enough money coming in any more to fund them as a company becouse a lot of peeps that play eve dont pay them anymore ie i have 3 accounts and i have been playing for 6 years now and i will admit the only money ccp has ever had off me is the very first 6 months for one toon till i woke up and got enough skills to fund eve with GTC then plex when they brought them out so in that way i can understand them trying to bring in the MT store funny micro i have to admit there, but also seeing that one of the items cost's 3600 aur when you get 3500 from a plex shows me that ccp really do need those plex's used up and out of game becouse they are killing them as they stand at the mo the only way that i can see ccp dealing with them tbh is to put a time limit on how long a plex can be used as a game sub = game time, is to make them a 30 day plex for say like 3 months after time period you can only break them up into aur, and then change the color of them when they lose the game sub side, it would hurt the ebay selling off plex and the scamming that would happen as well, would also like to say do that with all the plex in game at the mo but that would really ** people off bigtime i think unless ccp come out and really where honest with us as to the state of eve at the mo and the damage that plex's have done to them becouse at the mo to me ccp are the up the stream with very bad currants coming there way and they have no paddles, so make all new plex with a game time limit that would help you out in some ways then you dont get the sitution of having enough plex out there that tbh could break your game and tbh even your company,on that score a mo be very very carfull ccp about doing a plex for good course again in the near future becouse you may get a very big surprise coming your way becouse i know there are very very rich people out that are slowly buying up plex just to pay you back if you do, just think about what that could do to ccp if say half the plex in game was given back to you as donations for charity :) there is nothing wrong ccp coming out and being honest with us about this when tbh i think the player base of eve would understand we are not kids that play this game and we understand life more than you do at times i think All we are asking for ccp tbh is that you are open and honest with us and i promise you that we will make you the richest game company in the world** just be honest and admit that plex as they are at the mo are killing you and we would understand of that i am sure i know i have just used to word honest a lot in last few lines but at the mo that is something you are finding hard to do and that is hurting all of us sorry for the bad post as such but this is only 2nd post here in 6 years only posting now becouse i love and dont want to see her die
Juliette DuBois	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:50:00 - [2] What would happen is: a) They did this unannounced, causing huge pile of PLEX become worth far less than currently. This would absolutely enrage anyone who stored some plex on their hangers. b) They announce this beforehand. Plex prices drop and almost all existing plex are used for gametime during that 3 months. CCP gets big hit on their monthly income for a while, perhaps not surviving if they are strapped for cash atm. After enough plex are consumed their price shoots up due to availability problems, causing other people to quit before market saturates. Plex market won`t ever have same saturation anymore due to seller risk so prices will likely stay higher indefinitely.
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:52:00 - [3] I think that indeed, PLEX wasn't as genius as they envisaged it to be.
Kiwi Miner	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:55:00 - [4] Please explain Honest to ccp as they seem to have no idea what it means. I wonder if Hilmar Petursson remembers his quote ôThe evolution of EVE Online continues in large part because of the feedback we receive from subscribers
Quofeous Zor Industries	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:56:00 - [5] yeh you could not put a time limit on the plex that are already in game as that would mass panic and belive me the 108 plex that i am sat on would go on accounts faster than i could read the post tbh, but new plex that is a different ball game tbh as long as it is done for the right reason's and we understand reasons for it then tbh i dont mind
Falbala Gallente Ishtar's Destiny	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:58:00 - [6] +1 I was thinking about posting something like that but gone lazy :) They need temporary PLEX.
Pherick Sjang Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:59:00 - [7] Edited by: Pherick Sjang on 26/06/2011 08:58:58 EVE's real problem is tards.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:01:00 - [8] EVE's real problem is upper management. --------
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Quofeous yeh you could not put a time limit on the plex that are already in game as that would mass panic and belive me the 108 plex that i am sat on would go on accounts faster than i could read the post tbh, but new plex that is a different ball game tbh as long as it is done for the right reason's and we understand reasons for it then tbh i dont mind They could make all new PLEX expire after say 180 days. A bit like the options exchange.
Pherick Sjang Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:04:00 - [10] Originally by: Abrazzar EVE's real problem is upper management. Isn't that what I said?

Chip Flux Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:06:00 - [11] Indeed, plex was always bad. You mention the effect on ccp, but there was the ingame effect too. It devalued isk. The value of isk used to be measured in pride.
Lederstrumpf	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:08:00 - [12] Originally by: Quofeous All i know is that there is way way too many for eve's good You've obviously got no clue. All those PLEX have been paid for by players & real life money. People paid for months of playtime in advance. If CCP can not manage to guarantee server uptime for the playtime paid for in advance, there's in fact a problem. Chances are CCP spent the money paid for in advance on 1000$ jeans already. Or something else. Or still have it. So if there'd be a problem, it would not be PLEX itself. The problem would be a dishonest business model where a company takes money in advance for a service they know they'll be unable to deliver.
Laskeron	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:10:00 - [13] sooo, you think plex¦s kill ccp, because they don¦t get any money from it or what? sorry if i got you wrong there, but who do you think brings the plex¦s in the game after all? the guy who bought them at their website for 20$. only because you didnt pay after you first 6 month doesnt mean that ccp had nothing of you playing eve for 6 years. all the people buying plex paid for you. again sorry if i missed your point, though
Krevnos	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:10:00 - [14] The "using up of PLEX really isn't an issue. The market drive for PLEX is from those buying subscriptions using them, and people are purchasing PLEX for hard cash routinely. Additionally, if the devs really want to take the route of issuing ammunition/ships etc. from a cash shop and PLEX were not to exist, only those who are willing to throw hard cash at it would be able to avail. Of course the item shop based on PLEX will bring its own problems, often ostracising players entirely if their in-game finances are insufficient to cope, and this may even go as far as to exclude some types of playstyle through higher PLEX prices and almost mandatory use of an item shop, should it apply. I don't really see PLEX as the issue. Although it might seem that PLEX are stockpiled on the server, this really isn't significant enough to affect CCP's financial returns. More like a spit in the ocean.
Laskeron	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:12:00 - [15] 2 mins late :D
Takseen	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:15:00 - [16] Yeah I assume they introduced the cash shop to try and eat into the massive supply of PLEXes and get more people back on subscriptions.
Quofeous Zor Industries	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:17:00 - [17] yeh that to me seems the real reason for the cash shop as such to get those plex's out of game
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:18:00 - [18] If CCP bizdev had any brains they would see the liability in PLEX and only spend PLEX money at the rate that PLEXs are consumed. What do I know though. __________
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:20:00 - [19] Originally by: Krevnos The "using up of PLEX really isn't an issue. The market drive for PLEX is from those buying subscriptions using them, and people are purchasing PLEX for hard cash routinely. For every PLEX used for gametime, CCP misses one month of subscription. For every PLEX used for AUR stuff or character transfers, CCP has a $17.50 extra profit. Quote: I don't really see PLEX as the issue. Although it might seem that PLEX are stockpiled on the server, this really isn't significant enough to affect CCP's financial returns. More like a spit in the ocean. But in their books they're a loan that one day has to be payed back, if there's 300,000 plex on the server that means almost a month of no income for CCP if they're all turned in. One can only guess how many PLEX are stockpiled.
Amaradus Caligula	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:29:00 - [20] The only problems I see are: CCP want short term, large increases in revenue. They have lost sight of long term profitability, and the overall mission of the company. They have a different view of the game that contradicts the views of the vast majority of the player base. Speculations on the cause of this: Dust 514 has become a money sink, they are trying to solves difficult problems to get ready for a set release time and they don't have enough money to throw at it. They feel the game is stagnating and they need to pump new controversial content to stimulate growth. They just want more money. They have mismanaged their funds to the point where they cannot operate without immediate revenue generation. One thing I am 100% sure of is that PLEX did not directly cause any of this. Only in the remote case that the large amount of money generated by the PLEX in such s short time that it went to their heads and instead of managing the money, needless over spending resulted in what we have now. If everyone bought year subs, it would create the same deficit that PLEX would have. I see what you guys are saying but the only way it could get out of hands is mismanagement of funds at ccp. Right now there are more plex in game than have been used for anything, even just trading plex creates a demand. Right now ccp is making more money off plex than subscriptions alone. The AUR is not about fixing plex becuase they ran out of all the money they got at one time and now they are desperate. No it is an attempt to take advantage of the ever popular micro transactions that have popped up in every other MMO. I can see how you could come to the conclusion that you can grow your player base and make more money on top of that by adding micro transactions. However this will always dumb down the game to the point where any serious players don't enjoy the game anymore, only those "please me now" types will be left. If ccp wants to take greed over quality then they will just have another WoW. This game is about taking things slowly thinking things through and not making any rash decisions, CCP is just trying to jump on the bandwagon to greatly increase short term revenue so they can make good quarter profits. CCP needs to take it slow, slow growth and slow profit increase, with better content patches that provide more useful additions and better stability. Also AUR is the first time CCP has made something that cannot be controlled by the players.

Kerrisone	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:38:00 - [21] You are right about plex but wrong about them not getting enough money coming in. If you or I brought home 100k a year but spent 300k a year we'd be in trouble, much like CCP may be with developing DUST, WOD, and working on EVE however lamely. In this case it isn't that CCP has a revenue problem it is that they have a spending problem. We pay them enough to maintain and develop our game we don't pay them enough (in their eyes it will never be enough) to maintain EVE and develop DUST along with WOD. CCP's problem is they did nothing to reign in PLEX as they saw it rise in popularity among players both those who no longer needed a subscription and those seeking to get ISK for whatever reason, new/lazy/etc. PLEX should have had limits placed on them from the number you could hold, the time they were good for, the number that could be created, how many any one account could buy, maybe even freezes on when more could be created. The number of ways to keep plex from 'stockpiling' were numerous but CCP wanted the money now to do all sorts of things. The first of which was not to fight RMT which PLEX did for them or bots, revamp the boring PVE that makes so many want to just give them $35 to get ISK, etc. So CCP's problem isn't just PLEX it is their whole approach as a company that wants to get paid, they let things get out of control. They then come up with a solution that lets them keep everything going as it was more or less while not addressing the problem. With NEX items being priced so high there is little point to anyone buying those items off the market for isk. People are better off giving ccp $35 or more to turn their plex into aurum and get that crap themselves, leaving the 'too many plex' near unchanged. All assuming people want to pay $50+ for a single outfit in a game, which I think few will actually do. Even if the nex prices were cheaper many could still give CCP $35 trade one plex for aurum get their vanity item crap and just add another plex to the pile of too many. This is where the person who grinds for isk or just has lots of isk comes in to buy a plex to get aurum, again we see this situation leaves the number of plex just about the same as when this whole thing started. It isn't because of Monocles FFS.
Acht Sieben	Posted - 2011.08.05 13:29:00 - [22] You're all ******ed. Money received now sits in accounts and investments now and earns interest now. You think CCP is in trouble because they got paid ealier? Economics, learn some. At the end of 6 months, you will have more money if you get all the money on day 1, than 6 payments spread out, because you can't earn interest on the whole amount until you actually have the whole amount.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.08.05 13:34:00 - [23] Originally by: Kiwi Miner Please explain Honest to ccp as they seem to have no idea what it means. -
Toanfoal	Posted - 2011.08.05 13:38:00 - [24] Originally by: Acht Sieben You're all ******ed. Money received now sits in accounts and investments now and earns interest now. You think CCP is in trouble because they got paid ealier? Economics, learn some. At the end of 6 months, you will have more money if you get all the money on day 1, than 6 payments spread out, because you can't earn interest on the whole amount until you actually have the whole amount. You're making an awful big assumption that large entities like corporations and governments will responsibly invest that money.
Mr Stark	Posted - 2011.08.05 13:51:00 - [25] GTCs have been traded in Eve for like ever, plex are the same thing but can be sold in game. Plex have limited or zero impact on what CCP actually make in $$$. As many have said before, CCP get $$$ for plex just like for GTCs just like for monthly subs. Your argument is totally invalid.
Barbelo Valentinian Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.08.05 13:58:00 - [26] Edited by: Barbelo Valentinian on 05/08/2011 13:58:24 Originally by: Mr Stark GTCs have been traded in Eve for like ever, plex are the same thing but can be sold in game. Plex have limited or zero impact on what CCP actually make in $$$. As many have said before, CCP get $$$ for plex just like for GTCs just like for monthly subs. Your argument is totally invalid. The OP is invalid as it stands, but there still may be a problem with PLEX in accounting terms. See some recent threads speculating about this - it's not something hoi polloi needs to know about, it's grown up business stuff. It seems to make sense if, as seems likely, CCP are looking for more investment. It also explains, at a stroke, the ludicrous prices in the NeX store (or at least it gives some sort of rationale for them, and makes them look less like a humungous brainfart). ***** "To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding
Mr Stark	Posted - 2011.08.05 14:05:00 - [27] Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian Edited by: Barbelo Valentinian on 05/08/2011 13:58:24 Originally by: Mr Stark GTCs have been traded in Eve for like ever, plex are the same thing but can be sold in game. Plex have limited or zero impact on what CCP actually make in $$$. As many have said before, CCP get $$$ for plex just like for GTCs just like for monthly subs. Your argument is totally invalid. The OP is invalid as it stands, but there still may be a problem with PLEX in accounting terms. See some recent threads speculating about this - it's not something hoi polloi needs to know about, it's grown up business stuff. It seems to make sense if, as seems likely, CCP are looking for more investment. It also explains, at a stroke, the ludicrous prices in the NeX store (or at least it gives some sort of rationale for them, and makes them look less like a humungous brainfart). Sorry yes, I should have been more explicit, the $$$ CCP make from people playing using plex is irrelevent as it is all still cash in the bank to them, other stuff they do with it makes them more money, IE NEX etc. How I see this however is that if I dont want to wear NEX store stuff, I dont have to and wont need to buy plex to pay for it, Eve will continue to cost me exactly the same it always has. If however I do want soem NEX stuff in the future, I can buy some plex with ISK and NEX stuff still hasnt cost me any real life money. The only real impact this has on me is that if plex for isk prices go up to extortianate levels, which should be monitored as if people end up priced out of the gametime for isk market, then players may not be able to afford to play. TBH I doubt this will happen.
Valari Nala Zena Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2011.08.05 14:05:00 - [28] Edited by: Valari Nala Zena on 05/08/2011 14:05:52 Heh you have no idea how much money that PLEX thing makes for CCP. I wouldn't be surprised if it actually makes them more than the subscriptions, the NeX store being a PLEX sink and all. Price of PLEX goes up that way, people are more tempted to spend RL money for PLEX. Good balance. Jup, CCP is doing it right.
Generals4 Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.05 14:30:00 - [29] At op: You made no economic sense. Now sure it would be EVEN better if plex's could expire HOWEVER: It is much better to get let's say 1 million now than 100 thousand for ten days. One euro is worth more today than tomorrow (unless we get in deflation). So the fact that many of the plex's around now where bought a long time ago is irrelevant. It is still much better than having no plex's at all, mainly if you consider the fact they cost more than 1 month game time. So plex's can't be death nails as having them around is still better than not. It's like saying "getting a six month sub is lesser than paying for one month every month because they only get money the day you sub and than nothing for six months". If that were true than a six month sub should cost more per month and not vice versa.
Zagam	Posted - 2011.08.05 14:39:00 - [30] OP: There is this punctuation thing called a period at the end of the sentence. Please use it now and then. Secondly, it doesn't matter whether they get paid now, or 3 months ago, its still income. CCP isn't losing any money with PLEX. If you force conversions to AUR, the PLEX price will crash short term, as people will be dumping them. Then, they will stabilize, due to a limited secondary market. Also, scams would abound with the new PLEX. ---------.oOo.---------- Chaos, Madness, and Destruction. My work here is done.

Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.05 14:40:00 - [31] It only has to do with CCPs money management and although a lot of players are **ed about it, heres how it works; CCP introduced PLEX. loads of PLEX got purchased, only some got used. So CCP "owes" server time to x amount of people but has their cash**. CCP takes the cash and invests it in Dust 514 and WoD. Seems like a good plan to me. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Ranger 1 Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2011.08.05 14:50:00 - [32] It is always better for a growing business to get it's money in advance. It's like receiving an interest free loan. One that they never have to pay back, as the only thing they really have to do is keep the servers running... which they were going to do (and budget for) anyway. They never have to pay that liability back other than continue to operate. It costs the same amount for CCP to keep the servers running for one person as it does to keep them running for 370K people. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Maximum Kiely Caldari Kiely and Son Salvage	Posted - 2011.08.05 14:51:00 - [33] They may have some legal issues with applying a time limit to PLEX. Where I live companies tried this with store gift cards and laws were created to protect consumers when prepaying for services or products to be determined. They got your money, the conversion of that money into data in the form of a gift card cannot have an expiry date applied. It is by law theft. I think a smart lawyer would be able to tie the two together making the PLEX expiration a potential can of worms for CCP. Now based out of Molden Heath! - Contact Maximum Kiely
Asuri Kinnes Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2011.08.05 14:51:00 - [34] I just want to shake the people that think that "ccp get no money when I pay for my account with isk via plex". Actually I want to smack them, repeatedly, with a very dense, blunt instrument. CCP Sells "30 days of game time". Someone buys plex. You buy plex for isk. You use plex to extend game time. CCP has been paid for your game time. Whether you pay CCP, or someone else purchases a plex - CCP has been paid. NOW - if you wish to discuss "future liabilities" in a business environment, sure, knock yourself out - but quit FACKING saying "I pay for my account with plex - so CCP isn't making any money". Its WRONG. Wormholes: The NEW end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs. NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA!
Taedrin Gallente Zero Percent Tax Haven	Posted - 2011.08.05 15:08:00 - [35] Edited by: Taedrin on 05/08/2011 15:10:14 Actually, by all accounts PLEX can be nothing but good for CCP. While unused PLEX represent a liability for CCP on their balance sheets, they are essentially a zero-collateral, zero-interest loan from the players to CCP. Due to inflation, it is in CCP's best interests to sell as much game time as early as possible. The only way for PLEX to be a Bad Thing(tm) for CCP is if one of the following cases take place: 1) CCP misuses the money they earn from PLEX sales without keeping a watchful eye on the state of the PLEX market. Even though PLEX are essentially a zero-collateral, zero-interest loan, they are still a loan and must eventually be repaid through game time. If the projects funded by money from PLEX sales do not reduce costs, attract new players and/or open up new sources of revenues, THEN CCP is in trouble. 2) CCP reaches a point where they need to raise subscription costs. If they do so, any recently purchased PLEX still in the system would represent a potential month of gametime that CCP must provide for the previous, lower price. Mind you that very, very old PLEX still in the system would be unaffected by a raising of subscription costs so long as the price increase follows inflation. Point #1 holds true for ANY business which operates on credit. IE, virtually all of them. Or in other words, the risks inherent to point #1 are risks that EVE Online is already exposed to, except through traditional loans. Point #2 can be avoided so long as CCP is able to continue doing business without raising subscription costs. If they are able to do this, this means that they are reducing the costs of doing business at a rate equal to (or greater) than the rate of inflation. If CCP raises subscription prices, they will find that player will be driven to drain stocks of PLEX rather than pay with a credit card. Thus, any naive predictions of income due to increased subscription prices which fail to take into account the PLEX market will be over-optimistic. ---------- Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident" Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
PaulTheConvoluted	Posted - 2011.08.05 15:32:00 - [36] Forgive me for quoting them out of order, but: Originally by: Jennifer Starling For every PLEX used for AUR stuff or character transfers, CCP has a $17.50 extra profit. True, someone along the line gave CCP real money to buy the PLEX. Originally by: Jennifer Starling For every PLEX used for gametime, CCP misses one month of subscription. False, as someone along the line gave CCP real money in exchange for the PLEX :) Well, technically, they indeed miss out on the _subscription_, but not on the money the subscription would yield them, nor on the active player.
Normal citizen	Posted - 2011.08.05 15:49:00 - [37] Agreed. Maybe let us buy CCP shares with plex? I'd definitely do that, and eventually the playerbase might even control a respectable sum of shares to have influence in CCPs actions, which I think wouldn't hurt the company as of now. CSM is nice and all, but boy would it be nice publicity if the players actually ran the game
Solhild	Posted - 2011.08.05 16:00:00 - [38] Originally by: Normal citizen Agreed. Maybe let us buy CCP shares with plex? I'd definitely do that, and eventually the playerbase might even control a respectable sum of shares to have influence in CCPs actions, which I think wouldn't hurt the company as of now. CSM is nice and all, but boy would it be nice publicity if the players actually ran the game So if CCP issued a portion of shares, would you buy them? I think I would - maybe up to ú1000 worth. I wonder what % of CCP they's issue, and how much this could raise???
Swynet State War Academy	Posted - 2011.08.05 16:01:00 - [39] Edited by: Swynet on 05/08/2011 16:02:12 Originally by: Pherick Sjang EVE's real problem is tards. We all know you guys know a lot about those, you're full of them. Have you already mined some ice? -you should +1 op
Solhild	Posted - 2011.08.05 16:06:00 - [40] Originally by: Swynet Edited by: Swynet on 05/08/2011 16:02:12 Originally by: Pherick Sjang EVE's real problem is tards. We all know you guys know a lot about those, you're full of them. Have you already mined some ice? -you should +1 op Yes, that will be a bad move this winter. EVE will never be an epic Sci-Fi sandbox if the default decision in game design is to push everyone eventually to 0.0 to pay rent to the goons/others!

Ana Vyr Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.05 16:35:00 - [41] What amazes me is that so many folks have to be buying PLEX's with real cash. That speaks volumes about how fun it is to earn money using actual game mechanics instead of cheating (by metagaming the aquisition of game currency with real money).
LittleTerror Corp 3472847	Posted - 2011.08.05 16:50:00 - [42] Originally by: Toanfoal Originally by: Acht Sieben You're all ******ed. Money received now sits in accounts and investments now and earns interest now. You think CCP is in trouble because they got paid ealier? Economics, learn some. At the end of 6 months, you will have more money if you get all the money on day 1, than 6 payments spread out, because you can't earn interest on the whole amount until you actually have the whole amount. You're making an awful big assumption that large entities like corporations and governments will responsibly invest that money. You're making an awful big assumption that a large successful and growing company like CCP wouldn't.
Alayla Nightfall	Posted - 2011.08.05 16:56:00 - [43] -1 too much text.
Aldan Romar Amarr	Posted - 2011.08.05 16:59:00 - [44] Originally by: Ana Vyr What amazes me is that so many folks have to be buying PLEX's with real cash. That speaks volumes about how fun it is to earn money using actual game mechanics instead of cheating (by metagaming the aquisition of game currency with real money). PLEX are a metagame mechanic for those who can't invest a lot of time, yet still want to play...
Russell Casey	Posted - 2011.08.05 18:00:00 - [45] Originally by: Ana Vyr What amazes me is that so many folks have to be buying PLEX's with real cash. That speaks volumes about how fun it is to earn money using actual game mechanics instead of cheating (by metagaming the aquisition of game currency with real money). Given how ridiculously expensive everything above T1 is, would you want to try to farm the isk up on one account? Or even three? Then have to do it again because you let the wrong guy into your corp, lagged, forgot to check local or happened to mis-click the wrong gate? Even if it kills the game (in spirit) by letting you jump ahead thanks to your credit card, I can't fault CCP for introducing PLEX. The alternative would be spam-bots in every non-private channel, and even worse level of RMT/botting. Maybe PLEX was a good thing for EVE, but $70 monocles and whatever cheap schemes come afterwards are the price to pay for it.
Maxx Q Omega	Posted - 2011.08.05 18:08:00 - [46] Edited by: Maxx Q Omega on 05/08/2011 18:09:30 Originally by: Quofeous i know i may get some people hating me for saying this but... So don't say it. Another whiney PLEX thread.... Originally by: Asuri Kinnes I just want to shake the people that think that "ccp get no money when I pay for my account with isk via plex". Actually I want to smack them, repeatedly, with a very dense, blunt instrument. CCP Sells "30 days of game time". Someone buys plex. You buy plex for isk. You use plex to extend game time. CCP has been paid for your game time. Whether you pay CCP, or someone else purchases a plex - CCP has been paid. NOW - if you wish to discuss "future liabilities" in a business environment, sure, knock yourself out - but quit FACKING saying "I pay for my account with plex - so CCP isn't making any money". Its WRONG. It's like this because so many people are STUPID...
JC Ferguson Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.08.05 18:13:00 - [47] tl;dr CCP is like the trailer trash that wins the lottery, takes the lump-sum instead of the 20-year annuity, and ends up broke after 2 years. The problem isn't with PLEX, it's with CCP. The best PLEX sink is a good game that attracts more and more new subscribers. CCP should try making one.
hellbent uglavitch	Posted - 2011.08.05 18:32:00 - [48] I just hope a better company buys out CCP
Valari Nala Zena Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2011.08.05 21:51:00 - [49] Originally by: hellbent uglavitch I just hope a better company buys out CCP In before people are suggesting Sony.
Ashen Krenn	Posted - 2011.08.05 23:02:00 - [50] Originally by: hellbent uglavitch I just hope a better company buys out CCP What Software manufacturer out there, has as much interaction with its player base as CCP? What Software manufacturer out there listens to their customers as much as CCP? CCP may not be a perfect company, everyone makes bad decisions every now and then, but they do a much better job than any other gaming company I can name. What company, that could afford to buy an already well established business, would you want to buy CCP? Odds are, a company capable of purchasing them would be significantly worse than anything CCP could do, while at the same time completely ignoring their player base. Think about what you're saying.

BLACK-STAR	Posted - 2011.08.06 03:57:00 - [51] It has been mentioned years ago (apocrypha era ) somewhere, someone repeated the idea that a PLEX card has an expiry date of 8-12 months. If it's not used, it's revoked and placed on market at the standard/average region price, the ISK would go back to ccp and not the holder. I imagine this is because he quit and maybe he'll never return to use it. Then opposed to this, you have the PLEX hoarders, that like to keep these things stashed like gold bricks and crack. resell them at higher values elsewhere, or w/e As it stands, there is no problem with PLEX and it's a good thing for the game. it could have more rules and turn it into a virtual gift certificate that has an expiry date, however lots of the playerbase would not appreciate this.


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