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DarkTemplarCrimsonWolf
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: DarkTemplarCrimsonWolf on 26/06/2011 19:37:05 Keep the protests rolling, unsubbing and demanding answers, just because they said gold ammo isn't in does not mean gold ships, modules, implants, etc are ruled out. Until Mittani says they aren't going non-vanity do not under any circumstance take the latest dev blog at face value (be it good or bad in your eyes), it is too vague and slightly uninformative as to the degree at which "non-vanity" items will not be included in NeX. Don't get me wrong I want to believe but to paraphrase Hilmar's e-mail (which he did not even touch upon, though he did say leaks not leak, which lends credence to this e-mail being authentic) "watch what they do not what they say" because in the end to debate a closed topic is pointless and yet CCP did just that. Actions CCP, not words. Mittani hate to break it to ya man but you're gonna have to take lead here, for null sec, low sec and high sec, make CSM be what it's meant to be and not just a rubber stamper.
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DarkTemplarCrimsonWolf
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel We're reading you, be sure we're going to carry your words to CCP.
My stance on the issue in more words is here. Be SURE to contact your CSM members and let them know, we WILL read your mail.
You and all the CSM delegates should know one thing: if CCP ever breaches it's promise of non-vanity items ever being introduced in the game you all are honor bound by the positions you gained at least partly from the trust of your fellow pod pilots to avoid any NDAs and spread the news, this goes beyond one person, this affects hundreds of thousands of people some of which love this game, Hell I've grown up with this game, I've been playing it since 15 and it's one of the few games that's stuck with me (only MMO), protect it for us guys and if you cannot at least warn us to protect ourselves from the coming storm.
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DarkTemplarCrimsonWolf
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Originally by: Katra Novac
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
TL;DR of the dev blog.
CCP Zulu on behalf of CCP Game - we are sorry, we seriously messed up and created a pr disaster with our newsletters that were debating an issue, and ccp hillmars email.
WE WILL NOT SELL PAY TO WIN ITEMS EVER AND NEVER WILL.
However because of this PR disaster and the people leaving, we know we really really need to redeem ourselves, and are getting the CSM out here for a huge summitt, to redeem ourselves.
Please eve mail the csm with your questions, concerns and what you would like to see in EvE. We love you we love this game, and want to redeem ourselves in the eyes of the community.
CCP zulu, thanks for saying there will never be pay to win, you have reaffirmed my hope this game will forever be my mmo.
You obviously read a different dev blog, troll on.
However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum.
I dont know what that means to you, but to me that says, there will be no pay to win, there will be no game altering items.
Translation: We will never directly sell gold ammo. That's not stopping them from selling hold ammo bpcs, gold ships, gold implants, etc. Learn to read the actual sentence before you speak lest you be taken for someone who'd vote Bush another time.
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DarkTemplarCrimsonWolf
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ban Doga
Originally by: Baillif 2. The inability of the company to do something as simple as upgrade the forum in reasonable timeframe
Oh the forums will upgrade in a reasonable timeframe to flush all this into the archives and start over clean in the new forums where there is no threadnaught about this - or anything else.
Right, cause in the new forums we will have a Jovian Threadship.
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DarkTemplarCrimsonWolf
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Harris To the CSM going to represent our views, please just remember one thing if anything.
Just promise you won't go in all emo like 95% of the forum posts have been. Stay your ground as you've said you will, get answers and explain your position well as you must... but please behave maturely and professionally or they'll just assume you're all emo and ignore what you say anyway.
No one wants to deal with a kid having a tantrum and frankly I'm having a little sympathy with CCP at the moment at the over reaction in some quarters about this all, spinning myths and rumours as if they're fact when they've been countered already and knee-jerk reacting to chinese whispers.
I know a few questions need to be answered still so good luck on getting those but please, mature and professional to the end, yeah?
/sarcasm I am goth you emo poser so back off /sarcasm
But yeah, keep it cool and don't let up, MT non-vanity= death.
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DarkTemplarCrimsonWolf
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:32:00 -
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It will take years of NeX vanity only items to redeem yourself CCP and even one hint of non-vanity will cause an even bigger threadnaught to spawn and even more subscriber $$ to go away.
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DarkTemplarCrimsonWolf
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Morar Santee
Originally by: Buzzmong @Trebor Daehdoow, Seleene, Mittens and the rest of the CSM:
When you get to Iceland, state unequivocally that:
1) Doing things outside of the CSM knowing (Nex prices) or completely ignoring the CSM (last dev blog) is a massive no-no and not only undermines the entire point of the CSM, but upsets the playerbase even more.
2) Full removal of the NeX store is the only way to fully go back and make up for this sheer sh*tstorm and restore the trust of the playerbase due to it being the only way to remove shadow of P2W that will now loom over EvE (actions speak louder than words).
3) It should always have been Space->Hanger->(optional) Captains Quarters+WiS, and it needs to be implemented as such due to CCP's own lore. It's especially important due to the performance issues people have been having and the fact the release of CQ is only 25% complete. It's up to CCP to develop features in CQ/WiS that want to make us leave the pods (they are planning on this anyway)
4) Communication needs to be improved massively. The current rules about Dev's not being able to speak their minds needs to be chucked out the window and the rules about not speaking on topics they don't know relaxed so that people can at least put some blue bars and go "I'll find out for you from the proper scrum team".
5) The Playerbase needs concrete information on what CCP's plans are with Incarna and it's expansions, and *needs* to find out what CCP are doing to fix the big problems with the core spaceship game.
I'll EvEmail this as well to the CSM members as I suspect you'll miss this.
Bears repeating. Would be good if CSM were able to cover these points during their meeting. Because Zulu's devblog sure didn't.
Here here.
I would like to add in a 6th: 6) Have the devs (along with Hilmar) sign a simple piece of paper with the question with their answer next to their signature: Non-vanity items, yes or no.. This will tell us right away if it's planned and a scanned copy should be distributed amongst every fan of EVE, if they ever break their word we send said document to a gamer publication. This will not be legally binding in anyway, it would just be a show of good faith from CCP as a whole towards the community and more over will show the company is willing to risk itself for its community.
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DarkTemplarCrimsonWolf
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:16:00 -
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Transcripts available the second day Treb, not that we don't trust the CSM it's that CCP doesn't always follow through.
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DarkTemplarCrimsonWolf
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.27 13:21:00 -
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There are already plans for escalating the protests into full blown riots should CCP declare non-vanity is coming. If it comes to that, I'll be among the rioters (don't worry CCP, no server crashing, hacking, etc, just things which are still perfectly within the games rules...just allot of it).
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DarkTemplarCrimsonWolf
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 26/06/2011 18:42:03
Ok, it's one step in the right direction, I'm glad to see that. And I do agree that communication is of utter most importance and I hope you do push further to improve the communication as well.
As for words cannot express... you could go youtube on our asses?
But seriously, glad you are taking the time for extra CSM meetups and I hope that there will be good results from those meetings. Keep up the good work and looking forward to what the future brings.
/c
The God of Veldspar sums up my feelings about the latest devblog from Zulu a lot more eloquently and succinctly than I probably would.
I'll just add - I've discussed this with my corp-mates pretty heavily the last two days and the general consensus I've found is that people don't really care about MTs in general. It's the potential for MT's to affect our internet spaceships that sends us into a rabble rabble rabble pitchforks and torches style frenzy.
MTs to paint ships? Fine and dandy. MTs for new clothes in the stations when they are fully opened? Okie dokie. MTs for tech 3 ammo? No no! Bad gaming company!
For those that are still screaming "No MTs at all!!!!" - that ship has sailed my friends. MTs are not coming to EVE - they're here. And that's not necessarily a bad thing, as long as they are not NECESSARY to still be competitive on an equal footing in the part of the game that matters to us - pew pew in internet spaceships.
Built tech 3 ammo= bad company BPCs with tech 3 ammo... ehhh... might work if done properly (BPCs! low amount of runs! high production costs! why? because it'd work with the economy to a degree and would be golden bullets but if you're going to do this may I suggest adding in class 7 wormholes from which you get the key material for said ammo? just to make it extra hard to obtain, like have only 3-4 of those systems in-game per total) but anything else is a no no, no ships, no mods, no standings, no lps, no sps, no nothing sold via NeX.
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DarkTemplarCrimsonWolf
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.29 20:22:00 -
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All I can really say about the situation at the current time is:
Depends on the CSM summit if the boat rides the wave or gets capsized.
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