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Jita Alternate
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:51:00 -
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Its a shame. I really liked this game.
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Hana Steelethorne
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Captain Futur3
very well written and 100% true! CCP needs to read it so they can see themselve in a mirror.
Indeed, it is a well written piece. But if you're blind, the mirror held in front of your face will remain unseen, and CCP management will remain blind, and deaf, to the anger that has boiled over in the wake of the Incarna debacle.
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Missm Uppet
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:58:00 -
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Edited by: Missm Uppet on 26/06/2011 23:57:54
Good article - thanks for posting
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Zeg Quul
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Posted - 2011.06.26 23:59:00 -
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Edited by: Zeg Quul on 26/06/2011 23:59:24
Originally by: Jita Alternate
Its a shame. I really liked this game.
M2. Maybe the next owner will do things right ;-)
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Elrica bloodbane
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Posted - 2011.06.27 00:08:00 -
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Good article well worth reading.
But it makes me sad
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Eleena Wolf
Caldari
Unknown Soldiers
B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.27 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Zeg Quul
Edited by: Zeg Quul on 26/06/2011 23:59:24
Originally by: Jita Alternate
Its a shame. I really liked this game.
M2. Maybe the next owner will do things right ;-)
If ccp sells to a comepetitor, you will never see eve again. Thats happened to many games. The new owner sits on the code waiting to sell the rights ,charge royalties, or liscensing fees. Because the new owner can charge whatever they want, that almost never happens unless a ridiculous amount of money is offered. More than a few times they still wont sell it even if large sums of money are offered, example if a competitor bought out ccp and they had their own game that was competeting or about to hit the market, they will never release the code of the former rival game, Ever. They typically stand to make more money if the public never sees it again. hopefully if this goes sour, ccp makes it open source.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2011.06.27 00:21:00 -
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I appreciate the votes of confidence about the article. I've been absolutely run ragged this weekend keeping up with this whole affair and it was supposed to be a nice quiet weekend off. But it was definitely worth missing the last day of a convention to get this article done, there were things in it that needed to be said and views that had to be crystallised in one place. A lot now hinges on the CSM meeting in a few days, and I look forward to it with a cautious optimism.
If you're interested in hearing more, I'd recommend listening to the EVE Radio broadcast from Friday night. Seleene, Mynxee, Trebor and The Mittani from the CSM were all there too and the leqaked email came out mid way through the three-hour show so we got to show our reactions to it live. I was also on Gamebreaker TV's This Week In MMO segment today to talk about the EVE fiasco with a fairly positive crowd who play other MMOs, which actually helped restore a little bit of enthusiasm and positive feeling about the whole situation and the upcoming CSM meeting. That show should be coming out in recording soon, think it's TWIMMO Episode 52. So yeah, cautious optimism and a flicker of hope with that last devblog, and we'll see how this pans out.
BTW, I don't really need more ISK, so with any ISK donations I do get from people I'll try to run contests, sponsor events or donate it to EVE University, EVE Radio or something.
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jita Alternate
Its a shame. I really liked this game.
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Same. I'm not protesting anymore, not logging on anymore. Just watching on with sadness.
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Linar Mardolak
Minmatar
Phlogiston Absorption
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190
Originally by: Katra Novac
People have been vocal but I don't remember anything as bad as this.
Were you around during either T20/Kugu time? Plenty of "old guard vets" left and absolute chaos for over a week on the forums.
Moongate was a bit smaller, but just as many idiots were clamouring for "FULL SERVER RESET"
Hell, every single EVE expansion has been NGE if you listen to the forums.
I was around during t20, yes. This is worse, and I should have left then - less time to get attached to the corpse of a hardcore game that's going away.
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Linar Mardolak
Minmatar
Phlogiston Absorption
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hana Steelethorne
Originally by: Captain Futur3
very well written and 100% true! CCP needs to read it so they can see themselve in a mirror.
Indeed, it is a well written piece. But if you're blind, the mirror held in front of your face will remain unseen, and CCP management will remain blind, and deaf, to the anger that has boiled over in the wake of the Incarna debacle.
CCP management is not blind. They know exactly what they are doing. You, and indeed everyone here, do not matter.
The angry people that love this game and see where it's going? They don't matter.
The poor misguided souls that think nothing will change? They don't matter.
The people trolling the forum? They don't matter.
You don't matter.
Cash per head is all that matters.
Casual games, particularly F2P ones with microtransactions, make more money than anything else, cash per head.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:22:00 -
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BUT THEY SOLD 52 MONOCLES. 
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Snake Scofield
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:38:00 -
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Pretty biased and sensationalistic reporting if you ask me.
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I've been contacted by dozens (if not hundreds) of concerned EVE players
Yeah I'd have a hard time remembering if it was 24 or 300 people if I was making it up.
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I personally found the captain's quarters to be extremely cool and newbie-friendly for the two minutes mine worked before switching off my graphics card and causing a bluescreen.
Sound like you might need a better computer if you're going to review computer games for an MMO site. I'm sitting here running CQ on two clients on a three year old office computer for my farm with no problems. Core2Duo ET7400 2.8ghz with a 9600gt.
The newsletter was actually titled 'Greed is Good?'. Notice the question mark? Conveniently left out.
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When it became known that the company was discussing gameplay-affecting ships, ammo, and standings for cash in spite of a previous agreement not to implement those features, players did not react positively.
The discussions in the May edition of Fearless took place long before they stated in a devblog on the 27th of may that aurum would be for vanity items only. It was previously stated that they had no plans for MT.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1341909&page=1#7
Notice that was a year ago. In the course of that year things changed, they had an internal discussion about MT, published it in the fearless newsletter, stated that aurum will be for vanity items only and introduced NEx.
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there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum
Whole article reads like a bitter vet with an axe to grind.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:56:00 -
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Edited by: Razin on 27/06/2011 02:00:57
Originally by: Snake Scofield
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When it became known that the company was discussing gameplay-affecting ships, ammo, and standings for cash in spite of a previous agreement not to implement those features, players did not react positively.
The discussions in the May edition of Fearless took place long before they stated in a devblog on the 27th of may that aurum would be for vanity items only. It was previously stated that they had no plans for MT.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1341909&page=1#7
Notice that was a year ago. In the course of that year things changed, they had an internal discussion about MT, published it in the fearless newsletter, stated that aurum will be for vanity items only and introduced NEx.
You have some reading comprehension problems.
Here's a quote from the May 27 devblog:
So this thing is vanity items only? Yes. We will start out with a rather limited number of items initially, carefully measuring the demand and how it impacts the economy. As time progresses, we'll gradually introduce new items and revise our strategy.
Note the bolded and the colored parts.
Now a quote from the newsletter:
Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright.
This is not part of the discussion. This is part of the Feature Article explaining what will be in the game. Hence the use of the term "will".
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Return the Old Hangar Back... for Immersion.
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Orzgur
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Snake Scofield
Pretty biased and sensationalistic reporting if you ask me.
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I've been contacted by dozens (if not hundreds) of concerned EVE players
Yeah I'd have a hard time remembering if it was 24 or 300 people if I was making it up.
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I personally found the captain's quarters to be extremely cool and newbie-friendly for the two minutes mine worked before switching off my graphics card and causing a bluescreen.
Sound like you might need a better computer if you're going to review computer games for an MMO site. I'm sitting here running CQ on two clients on a three year old office computer for my farm with no problems. Core2Duo ET7400 2.8ghz with a 9600gt.
The newsletter was actually titled 'Greed is Good?'. Notice the question mark? Conveniently left out.
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When it became known that the company was discussing gameplay-affecting ships, ammo, and standings for cash in spite of a previous agreement not to implement those features, players did not react positively.
The discussions in the May edition of Fearless took place long before they stated in a devblog on the 27th of may that aurum would be for vanity items only. It was previously stated that they had no plans for MT.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1341909&page=1#7
Notice that was a year ago. In the course of that year things changed, they had an internal discussion about MT, published it in the fearless newsletter, stated that aurum will be for vanity items only and introduced NEx.
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there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum
Whole article reads like a bitter vet with an axe to grind.
All of this critique and you conveniently leave out the part where CCP Zulu agrees to an interview and then proceeds to only publish a devblog and not answer a single question that has been raised by the player base nor why CCP has the CSM yet ignores them.
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Indorian
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190
What a biased article.
Maybe if you put in the fact that players have vocally whined at *EVERY* game change is why CCP is talking the metrics > forum whine index as far as how successful something is.
This
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Snake Scofield
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I've been contacted by dozens (if not hundreds) of concerned EVE players
Yeah I'd have a hard time remembering if it was 24 or 300 people if I was making it up.
The massively tip form was flooded with concerned players leaving tips about the issues (even after I'd written them up). I didn't think it important to count them, but there were dozens of them. People were also leaving information, tips, forum thread links and messages about their worries as comments on the EVE articles at Massively, which there were several hundred of. The statement I made above is accurate, as it was dozens of people trying to contact us directly and hundreds contacting us through the comments system. If you want to get technical, there were also 1850 people tuned in to hear us discuss the issues on EVE Radio.
Originally by: Snake Scofield
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I personally found the captain's quarters to be extremely cool and newbie-friendly for the two minutes mine worked before switching off my graphics card and causing a bluescreen.
Sound like you might need a better computer if you're going to review computer games for an MMO site. I'm sitting here running CQ on two clients on a three year old office computer for my farm with no problems. Core2Duo ET7400 2.8ghz with a 9600gt.
My computer's just slightly better than yours  . There has not yet been a game that has caused my GPU to shut down. The worst offender is RIFT, which after a few hours of play on max settings with a high ambient room temperature will crash the GPU and throw what looks like random coloured static across parts of the screen. I can replicate this issue by running my GPU intentionally at 100% for 5 minutes or so by running a GPU-intensive tech demo with no framerate limiter and minimal CPU overhead between frames. I'll be the first to admit I should be able to run it at 100% without it crashing, but no other game has required that and I'm clearly not the only one experiencing the issue.
Originally by: Snake Scofield
The newsletter was actually titled 'Greed is Good?'. Notice the question mark? Conveniently left out.
Never ascribe to malice that which can be more easily explained by incompetence or error. Thanks for the heads up, I've corrected that error in the post.
Originally by: Snake Scofield
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When it became known that the company was discussing gameplay-affecting ships, ammo, and standings for cash in spite of a previous agreement not to implement those features, players did not react positively.
The discussions in the May edition of Fearless took place long before they stated in a devblog on the 27th of may that aurum would be for vanity items only. It was previously stated that they had no plans for MT.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1341909&page=1#7
Notice that was a year ago. In the course of that year things changed, they had an internal discussion about MT, published it in the fearless newsletter, stated that aurum will be for vanity items only and introduced NEx.
Incorrect. The previous agreement not to include gameplay-affecting microtransactions was from November. The link to the post about that agreement was in the exact same paragraph you pulled that quote from. We were assured in November that gameplay-affecting microtransactions would not be coming in and the system would be limited to vanity-only items. This promise was acted on and reaffirmed when the neural remap for plex scheme was scrapped. The Fearless newsletter was published in May of this year and contradicted that agreement, which is precisely why it had people worried. This view didn't materialise out of thin air.
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:59:00 -
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Excellent article.
This week has been a bit frustrating, a bit draining, a bit eye opening.
In the end we can only hope for the future.
It seems like the forum is on the state of acceptance.
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Harcosi
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tutskii
Excellent article.
This week has been a bit frustrating, a bit draining, a bit eye opening.
In the end we can only hope for the future.
It seems like the forum is on the state of acceptance.
Resignation.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Harcosi
Originally by: Tutskii
Excellent article.
This week has been a bit frustrating, a bit draining, a bit eye opening.
In the end we can only hope for the future.
It seems like the forum is on the state of acceptance.
Resignation.
I'd call it melancholy more than anything else. There are still angry people, but most just seem to be gripped by sadness. It has been disappointing to see the events of this weekend unfold, and it would be terribly sad to see EVE go to hell. We're in limbo right now until the CSM meeting, and it's an uneasy feeling to be waiting for it. If it goes well, we may finally see CCP take the CSM's use as a filter mechanism for info releases and devblogs seriously and we could see better communication from CCP. If it goes badly, ... well, I had good seven years out of it.
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Ianus
Caldari
Geminus Gateway
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:45:00 -
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While I agree the article is biased (you can clearly tell the writer is angry about all this), I don't really care much in this case. This will add more pressure to the management and perhaps help to change their current direction.
It will also dissuade potential new players from joining the game, at least for now. And that is also a good thing because the financial backers of CCP will be looking mostly at the number of new subscriptions in the weeks to come.
You may be thinking that wishing these things is irresponsible as it could potentially mean the dead of EVE and its offspring (Dust/WoD). You're right. This is all very risky and in other circunstances I would never even suggest it. But I really do believe that this the moment things should go down: the game either starts evolving in a different direction or it comes to a full stop.
<selfish> Because I don't really see myself caring for it if things stay the course.</selfish>
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Marcus Vorenius
Task Force 42
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:49:00 -
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excellent article - hopefully that can make the spineless ex-protester fanbois grow a pair
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Mervent
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.27 04:08:00 -
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Nyphur,
Great article. How about doing a John Turbefield interview?
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Lili Lu
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Posted - 2011.06.27 04:24:00 -
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Good article but he missed one event that a lot of people seem to be forgetting. Before the patch CCP wanted to have the NEX sell the gold scorpions. Everyone said nbd right because you are going to require an exchange of materials for it and it will have no different stats? CCP said well we can't accept materials in the nex ( and dodged the question of different stats on the ship). CSM and players said don't you dare. CCP backed down but kept the coding for the ship in the expansion to have it freed into game in a later patch.
Then the pdf internal magazine was leaked after the patch. So it is not the Fearless mag standing in a vacuum. It the gold scorpion fiasco exposing which side of the supposed internal debat on MT in the Fearless mag had already won.
I personally have not unsubbed my accounts yet. But they will be gone if this **** doesn't clear up the right way. CCP must be needing capital pretty bad to think it could lose its long-standing player base and somehow sell $70 monocles and what, $170 wtfpwn gold scorpions (?) to some supposed large influx of rich noobs looking to P2W.
The really sad hidden possibility in all this is that WoD and DUST development costs could be sinking this great game of EVE anyway. If the company tried to increase revenue through a one or two dollar a month accross the board increase in subscription costs I bet they would be experiencing far smaller outrage and unsubbing revolt. The leaked e-mail shows that Hilmar basically has swallowed the bull**** of whatever marketing consultant trash that he purchased to provide advice. They fed him the trendy bull**** answer because hey it's what they do.
So, I wonder could the company be facing bankruptcy already and this was a desperate and stupid attempt to stave that off? ALternately, could it be just a common greed of the major shareholders, possibly hoping for a magical increase in revenue with which to sell the company at a higher price and run off rich to a warmer island. Either way I'm betting I will have to unsub because this stupid **** is coming, no matter what lies they feed the CSM. |
Laser Purification
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Posted - 2011.06.27 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Linar Mardolak
Casual games, particularly F2P ones with microtransactions, make more money than anything else, cash per head.
They do not make more money cash per head. Eve gets a sub-fee from 100% of its players which the f2p games out love to have.
The make more money in having a lot more players. With a low margin to entry they can easily get millions of subscribers and replace those that leave. Eve does not have a low margin to entry (quite the opposite) and redoing the tutorial does not change that. Eve will never attract and hold millions of players (especially since they want the sub too), it's a niche game with quite a lot of terrible gameplay, a bad reputation but a sandbox gameplay that is unique and has a good number of dedicated players.
There's not enough focus on just how bad an expansion Incarna is. Being greedy while releasing an expansion with about 2 minutes of gameplay and a significant degradation of the experience for existing players while wanting more money is unbelievable.
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Sahara
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:30:00 -
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Excellent article. Must read for everyone involved.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:50:00 -
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I agree, and excellent article. I have been passing it around some of my friends who also play MMOs.
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Digital Messiah
Oregami Ultd
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Posted - 2011.06.27 11:52:00 -
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IB4 this happens every expansion after this just like every large population MMO. Welcome to, not everyone likes the same thing! Lets make threads and articles about it kek kek...
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Lucilla Giulia
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Posted - 2011.06.27 12:07:00 -
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Good article, not posting anything about the past few days would have been a bad move by any MMO related magazine who follows EVE imo
Sad article at the same time ...sad as i am, i fear this is the day eve went away :(
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