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Dragan Moonraker Rheinbraun Heavy Industries	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:39:00 - [1] Edited by: Dragan Moonraker on 27/06/2011 00:45:13 Edited by: Dragan Moonraker on 27/06/2011 00:40:19 Edited by: Dragan Moonraker on 27/06/2011 00:39:14 I find the title possibly enlightening and also confusing, as the content of the response doesn't seem to speak at all about "The Realities of EVE". It's almost like Zulu was going to say something serious about the business needs behind EVE and/or money issues at CCP, but then ended up not really saying anything. Don't get me wrong, sending the CSMs to Iceland to talk is great; but if there was an easy bucket of water to throw on the fire of peoples fears concerning pay-to-win micro-transactions, I'm sure they would have done it before this. In light of that, flying the CSMs out and "we want to refrain from any further comments on this matter until after meeting with the CSMs" seems pretty clearly to be a delaying tactic. I really wish this would get straightened out fast. Articles like "The Day that EVE Online Died" are sad to see.
Law Deschain Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:48:00 - [2] I'm curious what he meant by that also
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:04:00 - [3] "Your thousands of canceled accounts strike CCP perfectly, wrecking for all their dignity" ...oh wait Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3
Anon Forumalt6858	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:05:00 - [4] This confused me too. Maybe a part of the message got redacted before it was printed and the title wasn't modified to match the new content? I am very interested in the type of honest dialogue that the title suggested was held within. That isn't to knock Zulu, I'm sure the editing of his post was done by a higher pay grade. My true hope is that this all gets straightened out this weekend and CCP manages to find their identity again, rather than try to push MT's under the disguise of "compromise" with the CSM. Here lately, the only CCP employee(s) that has been actually embodying the mission statement is the whistleblower who leaked the documents. I hope this changes and I'm making myself have that faith, despite the recent events. - His name was John Turbefield! CCP: We are adults who wage economic, social, and tactical warfare on each other for fun. Don't **** with us.
diaufop	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:09:00 - [5] Originally by: Copine Callmeknau "Your thousands of canceled accounts strike CCP perfectly, wrecking for all their dignity" +1 and lol
Sariaphe	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:10:00 - [6] Edited by: Sariaphe on 27/06/2011 01:10:01 The "whistle blower", if found, most certainly would be fired and probably sued over this - breach of NDA etc.
Kerrisone	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:14:00 - [7] "The Realities of EVE" you'll have to show up in person in a foreign country on a freakin island for us to tell you the truth. Originally by: Ghoest Ill watch what you do not what you say.
Ayieka Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:15:00 - [8] the title is pretty nondiscript and hard tell apart from the other dev blogs, probably the way they want it. also its funny to see that they dont show up on the front page.
NoobPwn	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:16:00 - [9] I don't think it took him hours to write this many words, from what I see it is obvious that they are not yet to give up the entire P2W idea, otherwise he could have that percisely clarified, not just "gold ammo". Just wait and see, I'm unsubing.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:16:00 - [10] Originally by: Ayieka the title is pretty nondiscript and hard tell apart from the other dev blogs, probably the way they want it. also its funny to see that they dont show up on the front page. Thats because it became clear they are a bunch of lying slime. Why would you expect them to be stand up about anything at this point.

Harcosi	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:18:00 - [11] The title suggests more of the same. We don't know what we want, CCP does. And they're going to ram it down our throats.
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:21:00 - [12] Originally by: Harcosi The title suggests more of the same. We don't know what we want, CCP does. And they're going to ram it down our throats. And they will stonewall us until they are ready to ram it down our throats.
Doc Fury Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:22:00 - [13] That devblog was aimed at the Media and not so much the players. It's another PR piece, read it in that context and it will make more sense. The language used was very carefully selected. CCP is playing the victim i.e. "breach of trust", while deflecting from the issue which is not "gold ammo" but PTW (non vanity) items being introduced. As long as they seem to address one of a myriad of issues in Dev blogs they can claim have been "voiced" by the players they can keep playing this evasion game. At the same time they can claim they are listening to their players while dragging this out. This gives the PR and CM spin doctors more time do their thing. That's why players who care about the PTW stuff being added need to stay on track with only that topic, and not even talk about monocles or the vanity store item pricing which is irrelevant. We're not upset that you lied to us CCP, we're upset that from now on we can't believe you. /I am not a Golden Goose /I am not a Cash Cow
Linar Mardolak Minmatar Phlogiston Absorption	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:27:00 - [14] Originally by: Doc Fury That devblog was aimed at the Media and not so much the players. It's another PR piece, read it in that context and it will make more sense. The language used was very carefully selected. CCP is playing the victim i.e. "breach of trust", while deflecting from the issue which is not "gold ammo" but PTW (non vanity) items being introduced. As long as they seem to address one of a myriad of issues in Dev blogs they can claim have been "voiced" by the players they can keep playing this evasion game. At the same time they can claim they are listening to their players while dragging this out. This gives the PR and CM spin doctors more time do their thing. That's why players who care about the PTW stuff being added need to stay on track with only that topic, and not even talk about monocles or the vanity store item pricing which is irrelevant. Yes. The wording has been very carefully chosen. Pay attention to what you are not hearing. Read it like you were reading a contract, or a marketing puff-piece, with boulders of salt. This has been gone over thoroughly by legal and marketing.
Gonada The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:29:00 - [15] Edited by: Gonada on 27/06/2011 01:30:38 That devblog was aimed at the Media and not so much the players. --------------- exactly
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:30:00 - [16] The reality is CCP has too many projects going and not enough income. Dust 514 will be the biggest mistake the company has made. It is a mediocre looking shooter and second rate doesn't cut it when you have Modern Warfare 3 and the Battlefield series around. It will debut at $59.99, it will be $39.99 within a month, and after 6 months be a bargain bin game without enough players to sustain it.
Ragnar Wintermute	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Linar Mardolak Originally by: Doc Fury That devblog was aimed at the Media and not so much the players. It's another PR piece, read it in that context and it will make more sense. The language used was very carefully selected. CCP is playing the victim i.e. "breach of trust", while deflecting from the issue which is not "gold ammo" but PTW (non vanity) items being introduced. As long as they seem to address one of a myriad of issues in Dev blogs they can claim have been "voiced" by the players they can keep playing this evasion game. At the same time they can claim they are listening to their players while dragging this out. This gives the PR and CM spin doctors more time do their thing. That's why players who care about the PTW stuff being added need to stay on track with only that topic, and not even talk about monocles or the vanity store item pricing which is irrelevant. Yes. The wording has been very carefully chosen. Pay attention to what you are not hearing. Read it like you were reading a contract, or a marketing puff-piece, with boulders of salt. This has been gone over thoroughly by legal and marketing. Agreed, but this is getting kind of painful even though they're jerks. (Trying to be civil.)
Volltz	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:39:00 - [18] Originally by: Linar Mardolak Originally by: Doc Fury That devblog was aimed at the Media and not so much the players. It's another PR piece, read it in that context and it will make more sense. The language used was very carefully selected. CCP is playing the victim i.e. "breach of trust", while deflecting from the issue which is not "gold ammo" but PTW (non vanity) items being introduced. As long as they seem to address one of a myriad of issues in Dev blogs they can claim have been "voiced" by the players they can keep playing this evasion game. At the same time they can claim they are listening to their players while dragging this out. This gives the PR and CM spin doctors more time do their thing. That's why players who care about the PTW stuff being added need to stay on track with only that topic, and not even talk about monocles or the vanity store item pricing which is irrelevant. Yes. The wording has been very carefully chosen. Pay attention to what you are not hearing. Read it like you were reading a contract, or a marketing puff-piece, with boulders of salt. This has been gone over thoroughly by legal and marketing. I agree. Look at the sentence "no plans or never have been plans for gold ammo". Operative word being "plans". One year ago it was no "plans" for micro-transactions and now they are here.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:44:00 - [19] Originally by: Volltz [I agree. Look at the sentence "no plans or never have been plans for gold ammo". Operative word being "plans". One year ago it was no "plans" for micro-transactions and now they are here. Exactly. Same lie, same wording, different day.
Blood Fart	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:51:00 - [20] Why not just say: Hi, we are going to have a "behind closed door" meeting with a few players to see if they can sell the idea of $1000 pants and $100/yr API fees better than we can. They don't sell boots high enough to wade through all this bullsh!t.

Duchy Duke	Posted - 2011.06.27 02:08:00 - [21] Originally by: Doc Fury That devblog was aimed at the Media and not so much the players. It's another PR piece, read it in that context and it will make more sense. The language used was very carefully selected. CCP is playing the victim i.e. "breach of trust", while deflecting from the issue which is not "gold ammo" but PTW (non vanity) items being introduced. As long as they seem to address one of a myriad of issues in Dev blogs they can claim have been "voiced" by the players they can keep playing this evasion game. At the same time they can claim they are listening to their players while dragging this out. This gives the PR and CM spin doctors more time do their thing. That's why players who care about the PTW stuff being added need to stay on track with only that topic, and not even talk about monocles or the vanity store item pricing which is irrelevant. That's an excellent point. Someone should almost make a thread explaining the tactics of what is going on, and what we need to do to keep the debate on track.
4IN1	Posted - 2011.06.27 02:30:00 - [22] Edited by: 4IN1 on 27/06/2011 02:32:56 As the matter fact, I think sunday news of SOE buy off CCP might be an internal leak aim at spy hunting you know, by intentionally leaking controled content it can effectivily pin point the spy, you know, Tom Clancy invent it, CIA used it, heck, even hilmar email might be one of those controled content ! CCP: Ambition, but rubbish.
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.27 02:46:00 - [23] I'm sick of this lie that 'soundwave was asked to take an extreme position for funzies.' There is no evidence to support that lie and it stretches credulity (having read the 'debate' between monetization and design integrity in full) to suppose that that was indeed the case. Either soundwave was lying in the piece or ccp is lying to us now (still.) You can repeat your lies all you want, CCP, that won't make them true.
Stavinsky Elyas	Posted - 2011.06.27 02:59:00 - [24] Quote: The result of this meeting should be mutual agreement of how virtual goods and services will evolve in EVE. Other issues may be brought up and we urge you to contact the CSM with your comments and concerns so that they may be addressed at this session. From all the blog, what i will quote is that part. The very core is there, they have put MT in the game, and they are going to keep it there. And the use of "should be" about the mutual agreement is clearly showing that the CSM agreement is not realy of any use. Right now CCP is next to a nice high cliff, and their battle order is "Forward march !", like good lemmings next to a cliff ;-).


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