If the nullsec alliances are really funding their empires using automated bot programs I wish I could use those same tools to farm isk and make pvp as painless for me as it is for them. It doesn't seem right that they have access to billions in resources which apparently they farm via hundreds of players and automated programs while people like me have to grind our asses off just to make a pittance. Then to top it all off they lobby for changes to highsec in order to make it even less profitable in order to force even more players into their part of the sandbox to farm even more isk for them.

I've heard many a person on here chant the mantra "risk vs reward", and yet it seems that many of the people saying this are making huge amounts of isk with little to no risk, while people like me are expected to take relatively high amounts of risk for only minimal rewards, which is almost ironic considering that they claim highsec players aren't taking enough risk, when their vast wealth and resources ensure hardly any risk for them.

Hisec is full of missioning bots, because L4s make so much ISK.

And I would wager my implants a fair chunk of those bots are nullsec alts, farming highsec because they don't want to use too many bots in their own backyard and draw attention to themselves.

Which I was under the impression people were banned for using.
And I would wager my implants a fair chunk of those bots are nullsec alts, farming highsec because they don't want to use too many bots in their own backyard and draw attention to themselves.

All those are FACTS.

If I did CCP would be the first to know and you would probably be one of the last. Be that as it may my original point stands, it's not fair that new players like myself have to work so hard and take proportionately higher risks for less rewards than players in large nullsec alliances who according to the OP are using tools apparently outlawed by CCP to amass great fortunes and all but remove risk on their end.

If I did CCP would be the first to know and you would probably be one of the last. Be that as it may my original point stands

Well i would like to start this topic and share my point of view on some facts.

Some facts we all see in game:

1) CCP decided to pull investigations about bots running Eve to players by making "report bot" button.
Since that time all they do is investigation of reports of those who pushed that button no matter if they are correct or not.
Imagine yourself checking 9000 reports every day. Would u have time to actually solve the problem?

What are consequences?

1) CCP is bussy checking thousands of false reports while true bots make billions of isk ruining our game experience

2) CCP made player base responsible of moderation bot issue. Lets be honest i have seen just 1 of 100 times situation when player "reported" another players as bot.
In other way we all pay isk or buy from legal sources plexes to continue playing Eve Online to become moderators and get our game experience about Eve Online to do what CCP should do instead of US

3) You can find bot in every system of Eve Online universe. There is minimum 1 bot in every system 24h per day. In most systems - more than 20 ( suggest travel to deep 0.0 areas - it is not accident that every 0.0 alliance fight in border of low sec to prevent players appear in their territories)

4) I see increased amount of bot/RMT activity in all Eve Universe

5) i see decreased amount of players in Eve Universe who see current effort (no effort?) CCP of fight against bots in Eve Universe

All those are FACTS.

Question to player base and CCP.
1 How you see situation with bots on your own?
2 Is there going to be any change in current CCP policy against bots.
3 Do you personally care that most boting players got endless amount of isk and they do not care to loose ships while you got problems to get isk for anything.
4 How long alliances will be allowed to get isk from bot activity for " ship reimbursement" programs? Considering all current 0.0 alliances are doing this (tip.: it is just a matter of hiding and "washing" isk gained by bots for example: renting, solo kills of ibis with 200 plexes, lotteries and way more)
5 is Eve becoming better or worse in your eyes?

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botting is a highsec problem

Everything you said you just pulled out of your ass.
CCP hates botters just as much as we do.
CCP are not mind readers and they are continually working on the bot issue.

Everything you said you just pulled out of your ass.
CCP hates botters just as much as we do.
CCP are not mind readers and they are continually working on the bot issue.

If I did CCP would be the first to know and you would probably be one of the last. Be that as it may my original point stands, it's not fair that new players like myself have to grind more and take proportionately higher risks for less rewards than players in large nullsec alliances who according to the OP are using tools apparently outlawed by CCP to amass vast fortunes and all but remove risk on their end.

Plus he is in -A- which says it all really

I know some guy with a toon named CCP Shreegs that must be smiling with this thread. Even I do.

Well check my history :> I am in your alliance as well. i switch whenever i wan't to. Besides your alliance using bots in XZH-4X for example.

So....hmm looks like you just do not know about it. I find it normal as many players do not want to to have
Eyes wide open.

Merely that -A- is one of the few 0.0 alliances which has/had a well documented botnet/rmt business (along with en garde but i guess you know that). Also XZH really isn't a very good place to pretend there are botters given how busy it is. Any bots would just spend their whole time cloaked there.

If the nullsec alliances are really funding their empires using automated bot programs I wish I could use those same tools to farm isk and make pvp as painless for me as it is for them. It doesn't seem right that they have access to billions in resources which apparently they farm via hundreds of players and automated programs while people like me have to grind our asses off just to make a pittance. Then to top it all off they lobby for changes to highsec in order to make it even less profitable in order to force even more players into their part of the sandbox to farm even more isk for them.

I've heard many a person on here chant the mantra "risk vs reward", and yet it seems that many of the people saying this are making huge amounts of isk with little to no risk, while people like me are expected to take relatively high amounts of risk for only minimal rewards, which is almost ironic considering that they claim highsec players aren't taking enough risk, when their vast wealth and resources ensure hardly any risk for them.

For pete's sake just check out the botting forums (no I will not link them, use Google), bots are being banned left right and center.

And it is hilarious.

A fact can be false...


1) no they still do investigations based on petitions and emails just like the good old days.

Now I understand why you guys aren't allowed to use local.

Ironic troll is ironic.

Does anyone honestly believe that there is even one 23/7 Alliance border gatecamp in operation that isn't entirely manned by bots?

Which I was under the impression people were banned for using.
And I would wager my implants a fair chunk of those bots are nullsec alts, farming highsec because they don't want to use too many bots in their own backyard and draw attention to themselves.

Every once in a while it's fun to just quote a post of a person who has absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Hint: The only semi permanent gatecamp that I've seen in action on any alliance boarder is the EC- gatecamp, and it's not run by bots, it's run by idiots.

Really? How do you know that? Ever received feedback from CCP that said - "GJ, you found a bot and we have perm banned them!" Nope - you haven't, because CCP has said they won't name-shame, even though that would be the highest form of deterrent they could have. If Alliances are profiting from it - it would stop in it's tracks.

CCP said they still do, and since bots are still getting banned (as evident by the many many botter tears), I'm inclined to believe them.

Or, instead of going to the skeezy side of the internet, head over to the nosy gamer, who does the looking for you.

http://nosygamer.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/ccps-war-on-bots-questor-tears-mixed.html

And the botting tears are hilarious.

Those tears are so old they've all dried up. We need monthly evidence that CCP is staying after this. It's been all quiet on this front for months.

Oh, and 24/7 bot run null sec gate camps, LOL.

If the nullsec alliances are really funding their empires using automated bot programs I wish I could use those same tools to farm isk and make pvp as painless for me as it is for them. It doesn't seem right that they have access to billions in resources which apparently they farm via hundreds of players and automated programs while people like me have to grind our asses off just to make a pittance. Then to top it all off they lobby for changes to highsec in order to make it even less profitable in order to force even more players into their part of the sandbox to farm even more isk for them.

I've heard many a person on here chant the mantra "risk vs reward", and yet it seems that many of the people saying this are making huge amounts of isk with little to no risk, while people like me are expected to take relatively high amounts of risk for only minimal rewards, which is almost ironic considering that they claim highsec players aren't taking enough risk, when their vast wealth and resources ensure hardly any risk for them.

I really wish CCP would do a more in depth investigation into more of the null sec alliances. It would be amazing to see how many people would get banned.

Which I was under the impression people were banned for using.

Goons run so many bots its unbelievable.

Then why haven't you reported the bots you've clearly uncovered? I don't see why you'd be making such a claim without some evidence to support it, so why not forward said evidence to CCP and solve the problem?

All those are FACTS.

Goons run so many bots its unbelievable.

From members botting rats to the bots watching local and reporting neutral fleets. I really wish CCP would do a more in depth investigation into more of the null sec alliances. It would be amazing to see how many people would get banned.

2) CCP made player base responsible of moderation bot issue. Lets be honest i have seen just 1 of 100 times situation when player "reported" another players as bot.
In other way we all pay isk or buy from legal sources plexes to continue playing Eve Online to become moderators and get our game experience about Eve Online to do what CCP should do instead of US

Then why haven't you reported the bots you've clearly uncovered? I don't see why you'd be making such a claim without some evidence to support it, so why not forward said evidence to CCP and solve the problem?

Then you get ppl like Goons who "refuse to police the game FOR CCP"



cause they dont care? Especially about Goon bots.

Well thats one of the reasons of this post to let CCP do sth about bot issue.
As you can see bots are pretty much everywhere no mattar of alliance or is it 0.0 low sec or high sec.
They just are.
I see no point crucifing any player that use them or any alliance that use them. Bots are and CCP instead of making official statistics where they are, how many of them, in whitch alliance should PREVENT BOTS TO APPEAR IN GAME.

Otherwise it is pretty much pointless to discuss who got them and blah blah blah....

If you have evidence of botting, report it to CCP. If you have evidence to show that CCP is ignoring definitive evidence of botting, report it on the forums, or on Kugu, EveNews24, or the like (Kugu would probably love you longtime if you provided them with a scandal like that).

Of course, you're not going to do either, because I strongly suspect that your "evidence" is "well everybody knows they..."

I have to quibble here. The EC- camp is funded by idiots. It's persecuted by the people able to prey on idiots.

Then why haven't you reported the bots you've clearly uncovered? I don't see why you'd be making such a claim without some evidence to support it, so why not forward said evidence to CCP and solve the problem?

Because those aren't bots. Anyone who's ever gone bot hunting knows how to spot bot behavior. It's easier to just cast aspersions then it is to put your own ass on the line via false reporting.

Their ass, huh. Risking your ass to fight goons...

That's the same thing I said. Most of the people at EC- are in "Special Snowflake" crap, so when it blows up the vast majority of the cost comes out of pocket. They basically sit there to troll no risk free kills (And screw up often).

Because those aren't bots. Anyone who's ever gone bot hunting knows how to spot bot behavior. It's easier to just cast aspersions then it is to put your own ass on the line via false reporting.

When I was around there, we rarely lost ships camping around EC-. I suppose times have changed.

I am interested to learn more about this invis bot that occupies systems with me when I am the only one in local. Will it gank me? PvP bots?

Those tears are so old they've all dried up. We need monthly evidence that CCP is staying after this. It's been all quiet on this front for months.

Question to player base and CCP.
1 How you see situation with bots on your own?
2 Is there going to be any change in current CCP policy against bots.
3 Do you personally care that most boting players got endless amount of isk and they do not care to loose ships while you got problems to get isk for anything.
4 How long alliances will be allowed to get isk from bot activity for " ship reimbursement" programs? Considering all current 0.0 alliances are doing this (tip.: it is just a matter of hiding and "washing" isk gained by bots for example: renting, solo kills of ibis with 200 plexes, lotteries and way more)
5 is Eve becoming better or worse in your eyes?

As you can see bots are pretty much everywhere

According to CCP security at Fanfest 2012, The Forge alone had more bots then all of nullsec put together
Spots #2 all the way to #12 were all highsec regions as well.

hth