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Phasicx
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Posted - 2005.02.21 07:46:00 -
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Dont ever remeber reading anthying saying yea or nea.
Just wondering if there even on the books. I mean they'd be easy enough too add just take the tier I BS models and add a bit and call it a tech upgrade (e.g. give the Scorpian a second wing, Give the Dom some fins etc etc, give em a bit beefer armour n shield few more turrets/missles slots to amke a bit more versatile bit more CPU n grid etc
Not tech 2 just slightly improved over tier 2 so were talking 140-150mil cost where tier 2 are 100-110 and tier 1 are 60-70mil. perhaps just add some diversity to the Battleship class without making teir 1 battleship redundant ?
If its been asked could somone point me to the Blog or post cheers 
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Aliksr
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Posted - 2005.02.21 08:27:00 -
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they're called dreadnaughts and they're coming in the next content patch (like exodus). so don't hold your breath, they have to test and release the HP and EW changes, then test and release the T2 ammo, missile nerf and T2 missile stuff. so maybe september or later for the next big patch
from the sounds of it, this stuff aint easy
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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.02.21 08:27:00 -
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I genuinely think much of the appeal would be new models.
I also truly hope for it, I also hope that theyre not cookie cutter upgrades of the existing ships but should add new capabilities to thier racial battleship fleet.
Such as an Amarr Drone ship, minmater EW ship, Gallente long range boat, and a Caldari up-close bruiser.
If need be the community could do the modelling and the textures. There was a thread about player made ships a while back that had some that were mind blowing. (The Gallente Hyperion that someone posted was a beautiful ship and I think CCP could add it without any shame).
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2005.02.21 08:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Aliksr
they're called dreadnaughts and they're coming in the next content patch (like exodus). so don't hold your breath, they have to test and release the HP and EW changes, then test and release the T2 ammo, missile nerf and T2 missile stuff. so maybe september or later for the next big patch
from the sounds of it, this stuff aint easy
No, they're not called dreadnaughts. Thats a whole different class. Tier 3 battleship means one step above apoc on the skill training, slightly better, and higher cost.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.02.21 08:37:00 -
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I think we know what dreadnoughts are... we are asking for new BATTLESHIPS.
Not DREADNOUGHTS, not CARRIERS or TITANS... BATTLESHIPS!
Adding new Battleships (Battlecruisers and destroyers) adds more content accessible to a wide variety of the playerbase instead of rarely used high end content.
Please CCP, keep adding content that the majority of players in the game could realistically someday use.
I'll add a link to the Player made model, its very impressive. The tier 3's don't even have to be better then teir 1 and 2 ships, just different.
nullView the player model here
Imagine that as a Gallente battleship with a 5% damage and range bonus, and 8-3-8 slot layout.
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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2005.02.21 08:56:00 -
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i like ur ship. but if it had a curvier front like the dom or the gallente battlecruiser than it will definetly be gallente but yeah it relates to the megathron.
i would have it as tier 3 my race.
good stuff<<u certainlly got the colour right>>
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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.02.21 09:10:00 -
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I didnt make it, another very talented player here did.
IT still is a beautiful ship, and I'd be very happy if it was made the gallente lvl3.
HEck I'd give all my isks to Oveur to make it so
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Phasicx
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Posted - 2005.02.21 09:42:00 -
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I mean there at least three tier of ship in the other classes (not counting the BC and Dest) so I always assumed each race would eventually get a third BS option.
I mean when u think about for all three empires these 2 battleships really dont cover all the bases as far as combat goes.
I mean u cant fit pritty much all BS as long range snipers, however only a select few ships work well as up close pounders. There is only one useful EW ship and everyone uses it they they want to do proper EW and thats the scorp. Economical rat hunting is the APOC or GEDDON. The Blasterthron used to be the close up ship of choice. The Dom is the drone users main option. The minimatar BS a simply ships which best ultilse the 1200mm and 1400mm guns they serve no other real purpose than to get the dmg mods on these weapons up.
I mean common there should at least be some redundancy between battlships so our choices are not limited. e.g. If I just want to fly ammar ships and do EW where does that leave me ?
imho should be some crossover between the races even if its only that each race has at least one ship with 6 mid slots and one ship with 6 lo slots and a third specialist(like scorp with 8mid 4lo or geddon 3mid 8lo)
I mean should Caldari Battleship Lv1 become a prerequiste for training Electronic Warefare ? becuase right now it is if u want to acutally be effective in combat as a pure EW ship. (of course with comming changes who knows)
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Phasicx
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Posted - 2005.02.21 09:44:00 -
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It is a nice ship model btw
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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.02.21 09:56:00 -
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Edited by: Gierling on 21/02/2005 09:58:56
Seriously I'll go one up.
All my isks to Oveur, plus I'll come up with Stats AND fluff for all 4 ships.
No work whatsoever for CCP , Heck I'll write an eve chronicle to go with it.
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Buraken v2
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Posted - 2005.02.21 10:55:00 -
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No, the whole thing with Tier 3 Battleships is that they have a complete new descign, does a Punisher look ANYTHING like a Tormentor?
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.02.21 10:58:00 -
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add and retweak frigates, cruisers and mining ships also - need some lower level additions or expansions to get newbies more interested.
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Caldorous
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Posted - 2005.02.21 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Caldorous on 21/02/2005 15:38:25
tier 3 bs?? i dont know why but i'd lvl up the current bs one lvl and add a weak bs as a new lvl 1 bs, i think that the current bs are enough powerfull, if not look the apoc and raven, they can fitt a nice set of large turrents and tank, or the megathron can fit neutrons and some damage modds to gank , we need a ship that should use the worse type of large turrets OR more likely the medium ones to be able to tank a little
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slapp
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Posted - 2005.02.21 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Caldorous
Edited by: Caldorous on 21/02/2005 15:38:25
, we need a ship that should use the worse type of large turrets OR more likely the medium ones to be able to tank a little
use a battlecruiser then.
tho, i kinda like the idea in general. make raven lvl3, scorp lvl2 and add a bs, that is even worse (let's say 3 launcher hardpoints and 3 turret hardpoints, 5 hi slots, 6 med slots and 3 low slots), a little less shiled and armor, but make em more agile and quick. (only adding my 2 cents to caldari bs)
oh, and the price would be something like 50 mio
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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.02.21 20:34:00 -
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I don't think that the tier3's need to be better, just a little different.
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Phasics
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Posted - 2005.02.21 22:08:00 -
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I'd take differnt over more powerful
but I'd also take something over nothing soanytier 3 additon would be good be it weaker/stronger faster slower etc etc
hell I'd even be happy with a ship with half the shield armour and 1.5x the firepower of tier 2 BS
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.02.21 23:33:00 -
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I just realized that dreads might be forced to look like miniature, XLarge-cannon wielding ships instead of assault battleships due to the 8 slot limit. Ordinary battleships with 6-8 large turrets are pretty odd when you think about it. They're inconsistent.
This follows the logic that destroyers are a class of frigates and the battlecruisers are actually a class of cruisers rather than either being a sort of middling class unto themselves. I like those classes because they do one thing additionally well but are compromised in other areas. The same might have been done for secondary battleship classes.
Damn the 8 slot and 3 rows limit. I really hate the slots system except for turrets placement.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.02.22 00:39:00 -
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Seriously, Id come up with the ships, the fluff and write an EVE chronicle if I could get word from Oveur or any other dev that it would be considered.
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alphawolf2929
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Posted - 2005.02.22 00:54:00 -
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Edited by: alphawolf2929 on 22/02/2005 00:59:16
New Models deffinatly, i dont want TECH 2 battleships for like 1b a peice i want tier 3 bs for 200m.
if a t3 bs is more powerfull than a t2 bs noone would ever use the first two, DIFFERENT ROLES not more gankage
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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.02.22 01:10:00 -
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Different roles is the plan!
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Captain Rod
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Posted - 2005.02.22 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Caldorous
Edited by: Caldorous on 21/02/2005 15:38:25
or the megathron can fit neutrons and some damage modds to gank , we need a ship that should use the worse type of large turrets OR more likely the medium ones to be able to tank a little
Er hello? We got it already? Da Mega with Large Electrons or Medium Neutrons and half a tank you mean? lol
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Armaki Kalear
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Posted - 2005.02.22 07:14:00 -
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I love these topics. It's like when you play monopoly and somebody says "wouldn't it be great if this was real money!??".
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Oveur
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Posted - 2005.02.22 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Phasicx
Dont ever remeber reading anthying saying yea or nea.
Just wondering if there even on the books. I mean they'd be easy enough too add just take the tier I BS models and add a bit and call it a tech upgrade (e.g. give the Scorpian a second wing, Give the Dom some fins etc etc, give em a bit beefer armour n shield few more turrets/missles slots to amke a bit more versatile bit more CPU n grid etc
Not tech 2 just slightly improved over tier 2 so were talking 140-150mil cost where tier 2 are 100-110 and tier 1 are 60-70mil. perhaps just add some diversity to the Battleship class without making teir 1 battleship redundant ?
If its been asked could somone point me to the Blog or post cheers
A new "Tier" of battleships means new ship/model in the battleship class with similar characteristics as that class has. It's not on the plan, we have mapped out these ships for this year. New Tier ships might happen after that.
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Phasicx
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Posted - 2005.02.22 10:43:00 -
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Cheers for the info Oveur
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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.02.22 11:07:00 -
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Actually Oveur I think the appeal is that they will be a new set of models and ships that DON'T share the same characteristics as existing ships.
If ye care to hear me out I could email you the basic gist of what I'm trying to say... just so long as you promise not to point and laugh.
Heck even if you want to be making with the pointing and the laughing I supposse that would be okay just to show that you read it.
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.02.22 11:16:00 -
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I hope he is saying they are simply adding a wider choice of battleships - perhaps new strengths and weaknesses types.
Ie one with strong shields and low weapon capabilities
One with strong shields and guns but is slow
With the new EW and warp changes that opens up opporutnities for more class specific diversification
Thats the word diverisification within each groups ie shuttles, frigates, cruisers, destroyers, battle cruisers, battle ships etc.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2005.02.22 11:28:00 -
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Personally I am agreeing with the original post, we need more high tier ships in the categories.
The basic 4 types of ships (frig, cruiser, indie and BS) all have several hull types each, frig has most and BS fewest (with the exeption of amarr who used to have only 1 indie).
Higher tier ships in most categories would be very apreciated, especially the new tech I types (destroyer and battlecruiser, ore ships actually have 3 types ranging from skill lev 1-5 so they are good).
Naturally I would like to see the new huge size ships mentioned above but please, after they have entered the game how about fleshing out the categories that already exist.
I would love to see a tier 3 destroyer and a tier 4 battlecruiser for exampe, BS's... naturally afterall they are fun ships and I need more to be available as I am currently upp to date with minmatar ships save the new transport ships.
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Horatio Leighton
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Posted - 2005.02.22 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Phasicx
Dont ever remeber reading anthying saying yea or nea.
Just wondering if there even on the books. I mean they'd be easy enough too add just take the tier I BS models and add a bit and call it a tech upgrade (e.g. give the Scorpian a second wing, Give the Dom some fins etc etc, give em a bit beefer armour n shield few more turrets/missles slots to amke a bit more versatile bit more CPU n grid etc
Not tech 2 just slightly improved over tier 2 so were talking 140-150mil cost where tier 2 are 100-110 and tier 1 are 60-70mil. perhaps just add some diversity to the Battleship class without making teir 1 battleship redundant ?
If its been asked could somone point me to the Blog or post cheers
A new "Tier" of battleships means new ship/model in the battleship class with similar characteristics as that class has. It's not on the plan, we have mapped out these ships for this year. New Tier ships might happen after that.
I think you misunderstand the sentiments behind the posts here Oveur. Nobody is asking for more battleships in the same vein as the ones we have now, quite the opposite in fact.
We all understand that the races have to maintain some individuality, and that each should excel in some areas and lack in others, but the current situation is just silly. Why can Amarr not have a drone carrier? It wont be as good as a Dominix, but the point is to diversify the choices available to those of us who choose to fly only one race of ships(something that is becoming even more common now that new players have to specialise heavily in order to be effective against the old guard). Why cant the Minmatar have an EW ship, or the Gallente a shield tanking missile boat, or the Caldari a brutal close combat slugger?
I really dont like the way that a race's ships shoehorn you into a playstyle, they should not force you to do so, they should encourage you to, by being better in some areas and weaker in others, but it should not come down to Amarr = Damage, Gallente = Drones/Blasters, Caldari = Missile Spammers, Minmatar = Long Range, there should be variation.
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.02.22 11:34:00 -
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not to mention a few more frigate and cruiser types.
A mid level cruiser loaded up with long range weapons but only 1 shield slot ? would force more expensive shields or more armour - add slow range but good warp movement - could be an interesting choice
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Agenor Deteis
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Posted - 2005.02.22 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
A new "Tier" of battleships means new ship/model in the battleship class with similar characteristics as that class has. It's not on the plan
Originally by: Horatio Leighton
I think you misunderstand the sentiments behind the posts here Oveur.
I think Oveur didn't mean to postpone tier 3 bs because of its features, its all about resources. They simply don't have the time and staff to make 4 completely new ship models and tweak their abillities. It doesn't matter what features/bonuses a ship has, CCP changed ship roles in the past, and will do so in the future.
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