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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 27/06/2011 19:16:02
Originally by: Kunming The point is any game is better without real life money getting involved, especially EVE which has been a sucess because of the player driven economy, and since CCP will get the money out of us one way or the other, I simply say just increase the SUB and get done with it without actually breaking the game.
Yes, of course I would like to get everything CHEAPER myself, including housing, food, electricity, internet and everything, and have it paid for by higher taxes on everybody else. But then again, I wouldn't like those taxes either. Hmm, what to do, what to do...
Raising the sub price won't work. Not properly, anyway. People have been moaning about how high EVE's sub is already. Do you think a hike in sub cost would bring in MORE people or make some go away ? There's no logic track in the world that can lead to the former conclusion. So you will lose paying sub customers. You will also have to hike up GTC/PLEX rates, and that will mean their ISK price will also raise, so you will lose some subscribers that pay with PLEX too. Overal, it's quite possible that a 33% increase in sub might lead to a 25% sub loss, thus rendering the entire exercise moot, as no extra revenue would be collected. And you will STILL have the problem of more PLEX created than destroyed.
Quote: I feel sympathy with their move to melt that PLEX stockpile but as can be seen in repeating threads the whole issue is not vanity items but non-vanity items.
Hence, my very last, fourth point. You _CAN_ have non-vanity items that ALSO do not grant any direct gameplay advantages. Here's some. What exactly would you have against those ?
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Kunming
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Dretzle Omega ...
You sound like one of those people who thought titans and super carriers would be rare in EVE.
This is not some 1vs1 tournament m8, if this thing goes live whole alliances will outfit them because they have all the best passive incomes anyway (tec moons etc), so it will become the norm trust me.
T1 is still out there because ISK still has a value and T1 is cost efficient. T3 is still not the norm because the ships fill some niche roles anyway.
Also I dont know why anyone would support non-vanity items, so you guys suck at the game and simply want buy your way to the victory. Because if u only wanted ISK you could sell a couple PLEX, but no you want items better than whats out there.
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Kridak
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kridak on 27/06/2011 19:25:31 Lets draw a parallel between MMO's and movie franchises. Pick one of your favourite movie with sequels eg. Star Wars, now whatever happens with the following movies Star Wars 1977 will always remain awesome right? He might have tried to wreck it with to many sequels/prequels. But Star Wars 1977 will forever sell amazingly because it's so good no matter what.
Unless... of course you'd be stupid enough to re-cut the original movie, changing one of the worlds most beloved stories for no reason whatsoever. If you don't get it, ask your dad.
HAN SHOT FIRST!
Lucas is a money-grubbing as*hole, lets welcome Hilmar to the club. Being a decent human being adding something good to the world got boring I guess.
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:25:00 -
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They can't increase the subscription price or they look greedy. Which they clearly are. At least upper management. So they have to be all sneaky and and nickel and dime as many people as possible as often as possible. ----
"...I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say."
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Portmanteau
Gallente CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dretzle Omega Because we have more PLEX in-game than is being used. NeX is a PLEX sink. There's more than enough people that want to buy ISK with their $. CCP needed something to increase ISK demand for PLEX both to make the PLEX purchase more worthwhile and to increase $ demand for PLEX (the more a PLEX is worth ISK-wise, the more people will be willing to buy one).
And this keeps with what they have done many times in not affecting the players (at least not directly) who don't care. Okay, it ups the PLEX price a bit if you want to sub for PLEX, but you don't have to buy NeX items if you don't want to. Raising the sub price affects all, and would rightly anger those that don't want to do anything with NeX.
totally agree with this ... just don't share the optimistic viewpoint of the effect this will have on the economy or poorer players
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:34:00 -
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As for plex, they whole reason THEY said it was being introduced was to curb real money trading. I don't think it helped, given that the isk farmers are stock piling them and trying to manipulate the plex market. Just last month someone bought out the entire plex market in Heimatar and then tried to push thier plex for over a billion a pop.
The NeX is just to generate more income, nothing more. The "too many plex" issue is just an excuse. If plex is really an issue, which it doesn't seem to me, since they keep banning the people stockpiling them, then they need to limit or flat out stop the speculation on them. ----
"...I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say."
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Torothanax They can't increase the subscription price or they look greedy. Which they clearly are. At least upper management. So they have to be all sneaky and and nickel and dime as many people as possible as often as possible.
They had a net profit of 6 mil for 2009 and 5.4 mil for 2010. That's not particularly greedy. I know software houses over here in Romania that make a shedload more profit with less employees, and they code webjunk mostly. _
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JMERCENARY
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming No one denies the fact that CCP is a company and their primary purpose is to make money. If they ruin EVE online its their RIGHT to do so, no one denies that this is their right and responsibility alone.
Now comes the obvious title question: CCP could have increased the SUB price a notch claimed that the world currencies are all dropping in value (due to them being growth dependant economies in a world of peak oil crisis) so the need to increase SUB to overcome the inflation of paper currency, besides "we give you free expension"
You sir are out of your mind! Go take ownership of a random bussines and drive it to the ground plz. Prices as it is are 19 euro for Europe when it used to be just 9. More increase in price will doom this game. I am starting to believe there is an infestation of agent provocateurs on these forums lately that want to see EVE going down.
ex: disgruntled player, gets reactivation e-mail, checks NeX claims of the forums and joins on the whine while he is hacking away or whatever in his "other game" account. |
Cocomomo
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:47:00 -
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or just make the game more fun / less frustrating to increase the total sub....
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Medidranda Livoga
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:47:00 -
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They could just up the sub cost by 10%. That would pretty much double their profit margin. But I`m not sure how much they are going to spend on WoD development, which is probably art intensive effort. Not to mention working on their new engine too.
33% increase in one swoop is indeed too much, trick is once again make cost increase seem nominal and stay below pain treshold of most subbers.
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Kunming
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: JMERCENARY
Originally by: Kunming No one denies the fact that CCP is a company and their primary purpose is to make money. If they ruin EVE online its their RIGHT to do so, no one denies that this is their right and responsibility alone.
Now comes the obvious title question: CCP could have increased the SUB price a notch claimed that the world currencies are all dropping in value (due to them being growth dependant economies in a world of peak oil crisis) so the need to increase SUB to overcome the inflation of paper currency, besides "we give you free expension"
You sir are out of your mind! Go take ownership of a random bussines and drive it to the ground plz. Prices as it is are 19 euro for Europe when it used to be just 9. More increase in price will doom this game. I am starting to believe there is an infestation of agent provocateurs on these forums lately that want to see EVE going down.
ex: disgruntled player, gets reactivation e-mail, checks NeX claims of the forums and joins on the whine while he is hacking away or whatever in his "other game" account.
Im sorry that you think that I wanna run this game down.. no in fact Im ready to pay more to save it.
I dont oppose AUR for vanity items -it is a necessary evil just like PLEX was- infact it will be cool to have fancy corp meeting rooms and strip clubs, but I oppose the Pay2Win (P2W) model, that will ruin EVE. And the question, that has even gone around in big scary yellow letters, remains: will CCP ever introduce non-vanity items or not?
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Medidranda Livoga They could just up the sub cost by 10%. That would pretty much double their profit margin. But I`m not sure how much they are going to spend on WoD development, which is probably art intensive effort. Not to mention working on their new engine too.
33% increase in one swoop is indeed too much, trick is once again make cost increase seem nominal and stay below pain treshold of most subbers.
Increasing the sub would throw the economy off. Plex prices are directly tied to subscription prices. If a month's play becomes more "valuable", Plex prices will increase. Everyone with Plex's stocked up will find themselves with a sudden increase in fortune. Isk will be devalued.
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Kunming
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Originally by: Medidranda Livoga They could just up the sub cost by 10%. That would pretty much double their profit margin. But I`m not sure how much they are going to spend on WoD development, which is probably art intensive effort. Not to mention working on their new engine too.
33% increase in one swoop is indeed too much, trick is once again make cost increase seem nominal and stay below pain treshold of most subbers.
Increasing the sub would throw the economy off. Plex prices are directly tied to subscription prices. If a month's play becomes more "valuable", Plex prices will increase. Everyone with Plex's stocked up will find themselves with a sudden increase in fortune. Isk will be devalued.
ISK doesnt get devalued like that. The buying power of ISK will remain the same the demand on goods on the market will remain the same so I definetly dont accept that arguemnent.
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Medidranda Livoga
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: Medidranda Livoga on 27/06/2011 19:55:09 Adding more uses for PLEX does the same thing so I see no problem? In addition on both cases there will be some extra PLEX sellers as it becomes more tempting to sell one for isk.
Since sub price is tied to real world fake currencies it actually devalues all the time with it anyway if it stays the same.
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