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Rindon Callsar
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:18:00 -
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So I have basically been playing the log in and skill queue game for the past 4-5 months with Eve, not really "playing" all that much but generally just skilling. I have gotten my character to the point where I will be able to do mostly what I want while continuing to train as well.
My question is this; Which ship is better for PvE, the Dominix or the Ishtar?
Reason I am asking is because since I haven't been playing actively, my isk wallet is a little light (around 400m or so) and I would much prefer to only fit the better of the two ships and grind out missions for isk.
My gun skills aren't horrid, but a ways off from t2's. My drone skills are decent with about a month left in training to have most of the skills at 4 or 5 (with t2's and what not).
I will most likely be semi-afk running lvl 4s but will be paying enough attention to be able to change targets and fire my ships guns.
Thanks in advance for any response.
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Baraka Saibot
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:32:00 -
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Dominix. Has alot more slots, 6 gun hard-points and 3 rig slots. If you are Semi-AFK running and don't use the guns, you still have more mid slots for omni and drone navigation modules.
The Ishtar's tank aren't that great against rats that don't shoot kinetic.
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Huggies
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:37:00 -
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ishtar > dominix
dont be dumb...
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ndverandering
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Huggies
ishtar > dominix
dont be dumb...
why?
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Jacen Thrawn
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:59:00 -
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I'd recommend the Dominix over the Ishtar for mission running, heavier tank/AFKness, if the Dominix gets web/scram you'll never notice, if the ishtar does, you'll know soon enough.
Of course paying minor attention to mission running would avoid all issues, but still, i'd recommend the Dominix instead of the ishtar for mission running
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ing SpeedyJ
Gallente
Broken Lightning
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Posted - 2011.06.27 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: ndverandering
Originally by: Huggies
ishtar > dominix
dont be dumb...
why?
resists ? mobility ?
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TFirish3
Open University of Celestial Hardship
Art of War Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:02:00 -
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Dominix will always have a bigger tank, maybe a slight edge in DPS. Its easy mode for L4 missions.
On the other side of the coin, the Ishtar is way faster, generally more versatile. I used an Ishtar to rat in null a lot. If you're doing more exploration/roaming, go Ishtar for sure.
They're pretty similar skill trains, just get your drone skills maxed (see: T2 sentries, drone interfacing 5, etc)
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Snyderm
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:02:00 -
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Depends where you live.
If this is for highsec missioning, domix is better than ishtar.
For null sec, use ishtar.
Dominix will always have greater firepower, which is why it will be the default choice for highsec. More damage usually equals more isk/hour.
In 0.0, ishtar is great for havens and sanctums because the spawns are easily predictable, so speed tanking it works easily, and the high sig radius of dominix makes it a bit questionable when too many battleships are in the spawn. A gank fit dominix is too dificult to keep alive in sanctums and even some havens.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2011.06.27 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Snyderm
Depends where you live.
If this is for highsec missioning, domix is better than ishtar.
For null sec, use ishtar.
Dominix will always have greater firepower, which is why it will be the default choice for highsec. More damage usually equals more isk/hour.
In 0.0, ishtar is great for havens and sanctums because the spawns are easily predictable, so speed tanking it works easily, and the high sig radius of dominix makes it a bit questionable when too many battleships are in the spawn. A gank fit dominix is too dificult to keep alive in sanctums and even some havens.
This is the best answer so far. Dominix for missions in general and missions in high sec for sure. It can be afk fit or gank fit quite easily. A full shield gank fit can exceed 1000 DPS out while still tanking something like 300 in.
The Ishtar can get a situationally better tank, especially when speed and sig are figured in. But it is limited almost entirely to drone DPS. If fit with a passive shield tank it sacrifices additional DPS to the need to fit purgers over SDAs, but a ganky armor Ishtar can easily hit the effective cap of 538 drone DPS at 42 + 12. Boosting from there (ie, using FN omnis) is incredibly difficult due to CPU issues.
If you're new to drone boats and are doing lower end PvE, the Dominix is a much better ship for you.
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Steppa
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.27 21:29:00 -
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I used to rat for income in null sec and used an Ishtar - vamp setup. No guns = no ammo. In the unlikely even that my drones were damaged, I had one small remote repper. The other four slots were all vamps (three med T2 and 1 small T1 if memory serves). The rest of the ship supported speed and tanks against Therm/Ken as those were the rats I was up against. I messed around with targeting lasers and such, but always ended up back with a 10mn T2 AB and a Web + 3x T2 Cap rechargers.
Added to a slave set, I was doing 800 easily. This is important because you're goal is to close and orbit under the rat's guns, thus only having to tank on what you're not currently killing. Easily killed officer spawns and could run quickly when need be. No ammo meant staying out in 0.0 for a long, long time. I had a "farm" of something like 15 giant secures anchored at a safe for loot.
Being able to quickly align and warp to the next belt means the Ishtar is by far the best choice over the long haul than the Dominix. For L4 mission running though, I'd agree with others and suggest the Domi.
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Rindon Callsar
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:06:00 -
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Thank you everyone for the replies. I am probably going to go with the Dominix so I can carebear up a decent amount of isk (at least enough to replace my ship/fittings x2) before I start to plink around in null sec (may try to get null sec corp at a later point and move my PI stuff there as well).
Does anyone have a decent build for the afk drone boating? No t2 guns but can most likely use t2 everything else that would be needed put on it. I looked through evemon loadouts but I find those not to be very informative and I find that asking in forums gets a lot better response with explanations/counter arguments from a lot of people saying which is best. Again, it will mostly be for lvl 4 afk drone boating in high sec. I can equip (if I remember correctly) t2 salvager at the moment as well and would like to fit one for more monies.
Thanks again in advance.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Rindon Callsar
Does anyone have a decent build for the afk drone boating? No t2 guns but can most likely use t2 everything else that would be needed put on it. I looked through evemon loadouts but I find those not to be very informative and I find that asking in forums gets a lot better response with explanations/counter arguments from a lot of people saying which is best. Again, it will mostly be for lvl 4 afk drone boating in high sec. I can equip (if I remember correctly) t2 salvager at the moment as well and would like to fit one for more monies.
It's on the first page waiting for you. That's a discussion of honest-to-god afk builds, which are far from the only thing the Dominix is capable of. Poke around a bit and you'll find plenty of examples of sentry fits with more and less gank (and both T2 and T1 guns).
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Stunman4
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Posted - 2011.06.28 02:26:00 -
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Ishtar costs more but has lower sig and better reistance,in general it is better but for PVE like missions i would go for domi because it has high slots for other things and can use LAR which rep more, and you dont drift off like i did once if you go afk for a few min
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Beef Knuckleback
Gallente
Pawnstars INC
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:57:00 -
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Ishtar. Fits in an Orca's maintenance bay along with a Noctis and can soak over 1600 dps vs. guristas if you shield tank it. Can tank the entire first pocket of The Assault (Serpentis) including the extra BS spawn. Armor tanked Ishtar is also capable of a crazy tank but is entirely reliant on speed/sig - getting webbed or smacking into an LCO will put you in hull if you're lucky and pod if you're not.
Dominix if you have gun and armor skills, can stand hybrids, enjoy managing aggro and don't like to move. Or if you're regularly up against Sansha/Blood Raiders.
Ishtar if you want to **** off an entire room and go mow the lawn while your drones mop the floor.
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