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Pyrus Octavius Beyond Control. Black Legion.	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:18:00 - [1] With all these rumors and "facts" running about on these here forums, the one nagging question I find myself thinking about is, "What could I do to help CCP be more profitable". Now the question as I pose it begs the question, "Why should I do anything?" My answer is, I really love EvE Online, and I don't like everything I am seeing right now. I just wish there was something I can do personally that would help keep my hobby from becoming a past time. I thought I would open the discussion to see what the EvE Community as a whole can come up with that could be accepted by the masses. So forum? What would you be willing to do to make CCP more profitable? Confucius say... "When called an idiot sometimes is better to be quiet than to open mouth and remove all doubt."
Discrodia Gallente Symbiosis International Moose Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:20:00 - [2] Not be the PR equivalent of post-Katrina FEMA and actually address the problems the consumers have, rather than remaining silent and making a not-insignificant number leave on speculation. Originally by: anonymous WE JUST DID SCIENCE!
Seishi Maru doMAL S.A.	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:21:00 - [3] I am more than willingly able to let Dust and WoD be discarded.
Alara IonStorm Caldari Red Federation RvB - RED Federation	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:22:00 - [4] Originally by: Seishi Maru I am more than willingly able to let Dust and WoD be discarded. -- EVE Online is commited to $$Excellence$$
Benri Konpaku	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:24:00 - [5] Edited by: Benri Konpaku on 27/06/2011 22:24:50 A couple of expansions ago? Quite a lot. Right now? Eh, nothing really. Let them reap what they sowed I say. Once new management is in place maybe we can all re-sub again. Edit : Agreed, I would happily sacrifice Incarna, WoD and even Dust to the finance demons to bring EVe back from the undead.
Magicblue Amarr NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:24:00 - [6] I bought their boardgame I would keep on playing even if they jacked up the prices a bit:)
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:25:00 - [7] I'm willing to recommend the game to others, try other CCP games, and log in more, just as soon as they fire all the liars, stop avoiding the word 'sandbox' in their internal communications, and redirect sufficient resources to fixing it.
Boaz Hedion Merkava	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:25:00 - [8] Quote: So forum? What would you be willing to do to make CCP more profitable? 1) Add support for older computers/videocards; 2) Troll Hilmar into resigning.
Kansas Winndu	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:25:00 - [9] As far as they won't bankrupt due to WoD and Dust?
HostageTaker Gallente Band of Freelancers	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:26:00 - [10] I am more than willing to pimp your mom out and send a small cut from each night to CCP. I'm willing to help, is your mom?
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:26:00 - [11] i'd be willing to buy more monocles for my alts
Portmanteau Gallente CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:28:00 - [12] appoint turbefield CEO, I'd do that for a small fee
Madjak Burton	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:28:00 - [13] If CCP added a Rorshach Mask, Fedora, and Trenchcoat to the NeX I'd buy em hrmmph and when all the beggars ask "Can anyone give me some ISK" I'd whisper "nooo".
Demure Guise	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:38:00 - [14] Originally by: Pyrus Octavius So forum? What would you be willing to do to make CCP more profitable? Absolutely nothing. Certainly not buy worthless vanity items for vast sums of real money - and no, Plex and Aurum aren't "free" because at some point in the Plex/ISK/Aurum exchange cycle somebody, somewhere has had to spend real money.
Nike	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:41:00 - [15] They could sell EVE to an developer that actually cares - seems CCP stopped carering about EVE a long time ago, and is now trying to kill the cow and sell the meat because they grown to fat to live off the milk it provides. So, selling EVE to someone who would actually stay true to the original Vision of this magnificent sandbox, could both help EVE and provide CCP with opportunity to pursue their "obviously" new pet projects WoD and Dust.
w0rmy Destructive Influence	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:41:00 - [16] Id fire the team that took over 4 years to allow us to walk to our ship from our sofa. Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
XIRUSPHERE Gallente The 8th Order Mean Coalition	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:43:00 - [17] Total transparency and open, fluid dialogue. If you need help ask us, don't scam the scammers. Get your house in order and get your people talking and caring. Give eve back a respectable amount of development resources instead of putting us into the milking shed for 18 months. Tell us what it would cost, I bet we would carry you if you carried us and respected us.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:44:00 - [18] I would be willing to become their new CEO. The first thing I would do is to throw out all the alcohol and the hookers and then send them back to work. --
Tobiaz Spacerats	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Nike They could sell EVE to an developer that actually cares - seems CCP stopped carering about EVE a long time ago, and is now trying to kill the cow and sell the meat because they grown to fat to live off the milk it provides. So, selling EVE to someone who would actually stay true to the original Vision of this magnificent sandbox, could both help EVE and provide CCP with opportunity to pursue their "obviously" new pet projects WoD and Dust. No business buys a 2nd-hand product because they 'care'. They buy it because they think they can squeeze more money out of it then the previous owner could. + 1500 votes on MT in EVE \| NO 79.03% \| YES 5.02% \| COSMETIC ONLY 11.23% \| OTHER 4.73%
Asmodeus Et'Mort	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:45:00 - [20] Personally I dont see why they dont sell advertising space on the billbaords cq screen and when stations come to people like coke, sony etc so that they can be advertised along with quafe. It affetcs the rp element of the game a bit but not the sandbox.
Anna Maziarczyk	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:48:00 - [21] I would be willing to take charge of major developments at CCP pertaining to EVE Onlines. For instance, they have a Senior guy in charge, who oversees all of EVE Development. He would report to me and take all instructions directly from me. I would have wholly unmitigated access and authority to make any/all changes deemed appropriate. My salary would be competetive, but not unreasonable. We would most likely need to trim some fat and sheer some sheep and milk some cows, and possible butcher many many cows, but it could be done. If CCP is serious about getting out of Financial Crisis Mode. On day 1 I would invoke an Interstellar Wide Monetary Meltdown. Replacing the currently established ISK with actual USDollars. Direct Deposit would become mandatory at character creation, but we would grandfather in currently subscribed players. Minimum buyins would be established on sliding scale. You can only afford $999 USD at character creation? Fine, you are a Minmatar Refugee. Have no issues deposting $5000 or more at Character Creation, Welcome to the Gallente Federation. Players would only be allowed to BUYIN at Character Creation. So, whatever fiscal cards god deals them, that would be their lot. EVE Online under the new management structure would then have full autonomy to invoke fines and levy sanctions directly to player bank accounts. The heightened sense of Realism would demand responsibility and reward in the new Eve. Agents would only have whatever money they acquire through their own Endeavors. Wealth would be finite in EVE. Who has the wealth, would depend on your ability to play interweb spaceships. CONCORD would acquire Money through Fines and Lawful activities. They would then use those funds to stimulate the economy through Agencies already in place. The agencies exchange money for services. Players provide services for Money and then get the shake down from CONCROD. One blissful icelandic circle of fiscal harmony and happiness. I have other ideas about full blown Legal Systems. Including Fines and prison sentences for Ore Thieves and Suicide Gankers. But those would come in future patches. Given CCP's mismanagment, they would need acquie my services in a sort of Step-up program. Pay to BeManaged, sort of scenario.
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:53:00 - [22] Edited by: ACY GTMI on 27/06/2011 22:56:04 I don't think it is our responsibility to make the game more profitable for CCP. Edit: Come to think of it, if they were having money problems, how have they been affording to pay programmers to rush the 'upgrade of the week' out for the last few months? *************************************************** Two years from now --> Gamer: "CCP? Never heard of it."
The Pteradactyl	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:55:00 - [23] I would purchase +6-+10 implants using Aurum. Gladly. I'll also gladly recommend the game once the bitter vets are done trying to bring it down.
Lyra Blazing	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:56:00 - [24] Nothing. Bad business decisions need to be met with going under. Or do you help corps that loose there space ?
Jacoba Stalker	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:57:00 - [25] Originally by: Pyrus Octavius With all these rumors and "facts" running about on these here forums, the one nagging question I find myself thinking about is, "What could I do to help CCP be more profitable". Now the question as I pose it begs the question, "Why should I do anything?" My answer is, I really love EvE Online, and I don't like everything I am seeing right now. I just wish there was something I can do personally that would help keep my hobby from becoming a past time. I thought I would open the discussion to see what the EvE Community as a whole can come up with that could be accepted by the masses. So forum? What would you be willing to do to make CCP more profitable? I'd suggest that they expand on what they have. Leave the core game alone and build on top of it. like this Here
Tetragamatron Omega	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:58:00 - [26] Charge for walking in stations expansion (ie if you don't buy the expansion you are restricted to captains quarters). I'm sure most would buy it and it would bring in plenty of cash without having to **** us.
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group	Posted - 2011.06.27 23:02:00 - [27] Originally by: Tetragamatron Omega Charge for walking in stations expansion (ie if you don't buy the expansion you are restricted to captains quarters). I'm sure most would buy it and it would bring in plenty of cash without having to ** us. Nope. One step farther back. Charge for the CQ Upgrade. They'd have a helluva time getting me to pay for that. ************************************************* Two years from now --> Gamer: "CCP? Never heard of it."
Starfall Achura	Posted - 2011.06.27 23:02:00 - [28] I would pay a higher subscription fee. This is saying a lot because have many accounts. However, I love this game. Setting up an entire new infrastructure around getting money from us on the back end is a waste of resources. Let's just pay a bit more across the board and have CCP concentrate on bringing us bac to the days of awesomeness.
Nike	Posted - 2011.06.27 23:06:00 - [29] Originally by: Tobiaz Originally by: Nike They could sell EVE to an developer that actually cares - seems CCP stopped carering about EVE a long time ago, and is now trying to kill the cow and sell the meat because they grown to fat to live off the milk it provides. So, selling EVE to someone who would actually stay true to the original Vision of this magnificent sandbox, could both help EVE and provide CCP with opportunity to pursue their "obviously" new pet projects WoD and Dust. No business buys a 2nd-hand product because they 'care'. They buy it because they think they can squeeze more money out of it then the previous owner could. Indeed, that is correct. And since EvE has already proven that it is profitable, one could hope that "someone who care" would actually focus on improving it rather than milking it for other purposes - or atleast retain a sound strategical management approach to it. In the current situation we might end up with a EvE that isnt EvE, or no EvE at all
Soji Kanagawa Caldari 0uter Ring Excavations	Posted - 2011.06.27 23:07:00 - [30] Originally by: Seishi Maru I am more than willingly able to let Dust and WoD be discarded. This^ Continue making EVE great, forget those other games.
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group	Posted - 2011.06.27 23:10:00 - [31] Originally by: Starfall Achura I would pay a higher subscription fee. This is saying a lot because have many accounts. However, I love this game. Setting up an entire new infrastructure around getting money from us on the back end is a waste of resources. Let's just pay a bit more across the board and have CCP concentrate on bringing us bac to the days of awesomeness. I think that would be a lot like paying griefing war deccers. Start out small and end up without your stufz or firstborn child. *************************************************** Two years from now --> Gamer: "CCP? Never heard of it."
Demure Guise	Posted - 2011.06.27 23:14:00 - [32] Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort Personally I dont see why they dont sell advertising space on the billbaords cq screen and when stations come to people like coke, sony etc so that they can be advertised along with quafe. It affetcs the rp element of the game a bit but not the sandbox. Using sensible logic will get you nowhere. ;) I'm sure that, years ago, Anarchy Online did this. It's been a long time since I played though.
Markus Jome	Posted - 2011.06.27 23:17:00 - [33] Edited by: Markus Jome on 27/06/2011 23:17:49 Making Dust 514 and World of Darkness big successes. There is no other way. They have gone so far in investing in these products that they are doomed to be succesfull. Would they drop these products, millions of investment were gone immediatly, with the much too small EvE being their only income. They are currently making a big gambling. If they succeed, CCP prints money, if they don't they are a mass grave for money.
Tom Peeping	Posted - 2011.06.27 23:25:00 - [34] Originally by: Pyrus Octavius With all these rumors and "facts" running about on these here forums, the one nagging question I find myself thinking about is, "What could I do to help CCP be more profitable". Now the question as I pose it begs the question, "Why should I do anything?" My answer is, I really love EvE Online, and I don't like everything I am seeing right now. I just wish there was something I can do personally that would help keep my hobby from becoming a past time. I thought I would open the discussion to see what the EvE Community as a whole can come up with that could be accepted by the masses. So forum? What would you be willing to do to make CCP more profitable? The obvious solution is that CCP is spending too much on developing too many things at once. EVE's economy is fine. The problem is that CCP higher ups apparently believe that Eve players should be paying for eve, further development of eve, CCP overall profits, (thus far is fine with me) development of at least 2 other games, and probably other stuff not in the general awareness. Hows about CCP stop expecting Eve players to pay for both our game AND other games under deveopment? Huh?
Valzin	Posted - 2011.06.27 23:31:00 - [35] Well they could always drop the mt and charge 25-50cent more a month. Or What I think would be cool is since cq isnt really useful and most people have it turned off there needs to be a solid reason to wanna turn it on. I was thinking once the social area opens put some gambling in there. slots,cards ect. Dust514 themed trading card game both in game and out aur to purchase rarer cards or packs in game. and codes to enter ingame for your out of game cards. but also standard decks to buy with isk and rare drop chances from high bountys to get everyone involved.
Yana Steel	Posted - 2011.06.27 23:32:00 - [36] Originally by: w0rmy Id fire the team that took over 4 years to allow us to walk to our ship from our sofa. I lol'd.
Maverick2011 Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.27 23:33:00 - [37] Get Hilmarr and all devs that wants MT in game together with a subscription fee fired and replaced by people willing to keep the good work in terms of content BEFORE Incarna.
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.27 23:38:00 - [38] Here's what bothers me: In that leaked newsletter, it was explicitly mentioned that it is much easier to make better guns/mods and whatnot than it is to make new graphical stuff, because it merely amounts to changing a few numbers around. CCP, instead of balancing weapon systems out some more, focus instead on making them all look prettier, a process that undoubtedly takes much longer than fixing the broken ones would have. They have a system in place where a weapon type used by literally a third of the ships in the game (hybrids) remain woefully underpowered when compared to the other weapon systems (save drones, but I can understand a reluctance to focus on improving something that generates so much lag). That's a problem for me, and I'd imagine for a lot of people. For YEARS we sit here and watch CCP continue to flat out ignore the biggest game problems brought fourth, for example: Hybrids EAFs Blackops FW Damps Eos AFs missing bonus (I'm sure there's more, but that's just what I can think of off the top of my head) And instead of fixing the glaring problems that the people who, you know, PAY for the game bring up, they spend YEARS working on something that pretty much nobody gives a **** about, and when they finally DO release it, it's broken, laggy, extremely taxing on people's PCs, and has so little content it'd be embarrassing to call it a free trial for an actual game. Not only that, but their patch broke several pretty damn important aspects of the game (haven't been paying that close attention, but afaik damage mods fit at a SMA don't work and drones fit there don't get any bonuses from skills/ships) Literally the only thing people seemed legitimately happy about (the noctis bonus applying to salvagers) turned out to be a bug that CCP is going to "fix", making this quite possibly the worst patch CCP has ever released. And then they asked for more money. CCP doing some money-grabbing crap really wouldn't bother me were it not for the fact that they're pretty much ignoring every major problem that eve has in favor of updates nobody wants. Fix the damn game, THEN ask for more money. Asking for more money while wasting all the money you have on crap nobody wants, especially when everyone knows you want said money to develop a new MMO that nobody cares about, is just stupid.
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group	Posted - 2011.06.27 23:42:00 - [39] Originally by: Cambarus Here's what bothers me: . . . For YEARS we sit here and watch CCP continue to flat out ignore the biggest game problems brought fourth, for example: Hybrids EAFs Blackops FW Damps Eos AFs missing bonus (I'm sure there's more, but that's just what I can think of off the top of my head) . . . . Unfortunately, the player apologists are ignoring the same problems. I'm with you on this. *************************************************** Two years from now --> Gamer: "CCP? Never heard of it."
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.27 23:45:00 - [40] the last time subscription fees went up, 30d GTC prices went from 160m to 300m almost overnight. No thanks. I'd much prefer this vanity MT system. It causes no problems for the people who dont want to take part in it (Unless they're 10 year old children and angry their mother wont buy them a monocle) Simply put: NeX store is overpriced, but its still selling to lots of players. They give no advantage to those players, and fund CCP's expansions and development of this game. I bet players will change their mind about vanity items when they can start building some of them. I'd rather donate to CCP and get a monocle, then donate to CCP and get nothing. Bottom line: NeX store does not effect gameplay at all. Infact, you poorer players should be happy. CCP is finding ways for us superior players to spend our isk. Giving lesser players a chance to legally buy isk, and allowing us to all customize our characters (which many eve pilots have been asking for, for years.)
Valzin	Posted - 2011.06.27 23:48:00 - [41] Well they can hire me as there pimp I'll get them bootys working.
K'uata Sayus	Posted - 2011.06.27 23:50:00 - [42] Are you serious?? They don't earn the money I'm already paying them. If I make terrible decisions that costs my company a lot of money I'd probably get fired. What makes CCP immune from that type of corporate dynamic? Giving more money to people who waste what they already get just wastes more money. And I'm gonna worry about how CCP should make more money? A whole lot folks at CCP get paid big bucks to make CCP more profitable, let them figure it out. EVERYONE SEEMS NORMAL UNTIL YOU GET TO KNOW THEM.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.27 23:52:00 - [43] Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 27/06/2011 23:57:57 Originally by: Tom Peeping Hows about CCP stop expecting Eve players to pay for both our game AND other games under deveopment? Huh? Here are a list of other companies you should be flaming, for doing this exact same thing: - ID Software (Quake, Doom, RAGE) - Valve Software (Source Engine, CS, TF2, L4D, etc) - Epic Games (Unreal Engine used in Mass Effect, Bulletstorm, Gears of War, etc) - Square Enix (Final Fantasy, Dungeon Siege, Deus Ex, Tomb Raider, Hitman, Kingdom Hearts) If you play any of these games, you should feel obligated to spend an equal amount of time on their forums telling them how to run their companies. Otherwise just admit that CCP has spoiled you by giving you too much room to flail your arms and flap your lips Originally by: K'uata Sayus Are you serious?? They don't earn the money I'm already paying them. Then stop paying them and leave. Originally by: K'uata Sayus If I make terrible decisions that costs my company a lot of money I'd probably get fired. What makes CCP immune from that type of corporate dynamic? Giving more money to people who waste what they already get just wastes more money. where exactly did ccp make a bad decision? Was it when they decided to expand their product line to increase their customer base, and profits? If that's what you call a bad business decision, well, just shoot yourself in the face, yeah? Originally by: K'uata Sayus And I'm gonna worry about how CCP should make more money? A whole lot folks at CCP get paid big bucks to make CCP more profitable, let them figure it out. thank god.
Manos Heimenbarger	Posted - 2011.06.27 23:54:00 - [44] If they would go with total transparency and quit trying to freaking deceive us, just inform us of everything they are doing, plan to do, want to do, etc. And start up a donation drive, I would be willing to put some cash into it. Special incentive could be a one-off ship. Nothing that would change game balance or demand much work from the devs or anything, maybe just a pre-exsisting shuttle with a cool color scheme (or something similar) for donating, say, $20 or more (just an example price point.) Knowing them, they might want $500+ to get a thank you item, but I digress... I honestly think they could get a good deal of money in this way. The transparency would be key, though, as they really need to go further than they have to date in earning the players trust.
jx3p	Posted - 2011.06.27 23:54:00 - [45] I for one would buy vanity items from the store if they had realistic prices (not literally, Zulu -_-) At the current prices they got no chance. I would be happy with a slightly increased sub fee too, despite the fact were already paying the most expensive sub for an MMO already.
Care Bear King	Posted - 2011.06.27 23:55:00 - [46] IF CCP ****s in our sandbox by keeping Aurum and Nex in game - nothing. I personally abhor MTs in MMOs and had chosen EvE primarily to avoid them. I can accept PLEX by virtue of it also playing a role in CCP's war against botting and black market ISK selling, but refuse to compromise further to bail them out if they've over extended themselves. IF CCP were to come clean with a 'yeah, we done goofed' Devblog, apologize for MT and sell off, disavow or otherwise burn WoD, I'd be more than happen to pay 10-20% more on my monthly subscription to see them through the Dust release. WoD is the culprit here though, and it really needs to go. Contrary to what they've told us in the past, it IS sucking resources from EvE... it IS diminishing the importance of EvE to those at CCP (being demoted from 'the game they love to play' to 'their golden goose')... most importantly, the need to fund it is causing CCP to do crazy monetizing things to EvE they wouldn't have considered doing before WoD.
jx3p	Posted - 2011.06.27 23:56:00 - [47] Originally by: Terminal Insanity Originally by: Tom Peeping Hows about CCP stop expecting Eve players to pay for both our game AND other games under deveopment? Huh? Here are a list of other companies you should be flaming, for doing this exact same thing: - ID Software (Quake, Doom, RAGE) - Valve Software (Source Engine, CS, TF2, L4D, etc) - Epic Games (Unreal Engine used in Mass Effect, Bulletstorm, Gears of War, etc) - Square Enix (Final Fantasy, Dungeon Siege, Deus Ex, Tomb Raider, Hitman, Kingdom Hearts) If you play any of these games, you should feel obligated to spend an equal amount of time on their forums telling them how to run their companies. Otherwise just admit that CCP has spoiled you by giving you too much room to flail your arms and flap your lips None of those games require a recurring subscription fee to keep playing
Shaemell Buttleson Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.06.27 23:59:00 - [48] Originally by: Terminal Insanity Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 27/06/2011 23:57:57 Originally by: Tom Peeping Hows about CCP stop expecting Eve players to pay for both our game AND other games under deveopment? Huh? Here are a list of other companies you should be flaming, for doing this exact same thing: - ID Software (Quake, Doom, RAGE) - Valve Software (Source Engine, CS, TF2, L4D, etc) - Epic Games (Unreal Engine used in Mass Effect, Bulletstorm, Gears of War, etc) - Square Enix (Final Fantasy, Dungeon Siege, Deus Ex, Tomb Raider, Hitman, Kingdom Hearts) If you play any of these games, you should feel obligated to spend an equal amount of time on their forums telling them how to run their companies. Otherwise just admit that CCP has spoiled you by giving you too much room to flail your arms and flap your lips Originally by: K'uata Sayus Are you serious?? They don't earn the money I'm already paying them. Then stop paying them and leave. Originally by: K'uata Sayus If I make terrible decisions that costs my company a lot of money I'd probably get fired. What makes CCP immune from that type of corporate dynamic? Giving more money to people who waste what they already get just wastes more money. where exactly did ccp make a bad decision? Was it when they decided to expand their product line to increase their customer base, and profits? If that's what you call a bad business decision, well, just shoot yourself in the face, yeah? Originally by: K'uata Sayus And I'm gonna worry about how CCP should make more money? A whole lot folks at CCP get paid big bucks to make CCP more profitable, let them figure it out. thank god. How can you compare those 1 player games (with limited online play in some of them) to EVE which is a MMOG? * Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. - CCP Ildoge
Lledrith Minmatar Ex Caminus	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:09:00 - [49] Originally by: Pyrus Octavius What would you be willing to do to make CCP more profitable? why do i have to make them gain more revenue after their past mistakes, bad management decisions, leak informantion that some was found being truth of future game implementation mayority of player base dont want. im a paying costumer that is entitle to follow and abide their rules for me using their product and guess what so are them as a corporation they have to behave just as any corporation if you dont improve your product no one is going to buy it. if you dont treat well your costumers dont expect them to use your product as intended. im not here to bail them out if sh!t hit the fan. i will play one game and one game only i dont need an add on (dust) or their Goth Yoville (WoD) CCP if you want to make more games its your problem not ours split your company if you have to. Dont use resources from one product when another is having problems and your loyal costumers are becoming frustraded.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:10:00 - [50] Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 28/06/2011 00:13:27 Originally by: jx3p Originally by: Terminal Insanity Originally by: Tom Peeping Hows about CCP stop expecting Eve players to pay for both our game AND other games under deveopment? Huh? Here are a list of other companies you should be flaming, for doing this exact same thing: - ID Software (Quake, Doom, RAGE) - Valve Software (Source Engine, CS, TF2, L4D, etc) - Epic Games (Unreal Engine used in Mass Effect, Bulletstorm, Gears of War, etc) - Square Enix (Final Fantasy, Dungeon Siege, Deus Ex, Tomb Raider, Hitman, Kingdom Hearts) If you play any of these games, you should feel obligated to spend an equal amount of time on their forums telling them how to run their companies. Otherwise just admit that CCP has spoiled you by giving you too much room to flail your arms and flap your lips None of those games require a recurring subscription fee to keep playing Blizzard > World of Warcraft, Starcraft 2, Diablo 3 Cryptic Studios > Champions Online, Startrek Online EA Games > Dark Age of Camelot, Warhammer Online, Ultima Online, Need for Speed World Gravity Interactive > Ragnarok Online, Rose Online, Requiem IGG> Godswar Online, 2029 Online, Galaxy Online, Aurora Blade, Freesky Online, Lords Online Jagex > Runescape, War of Legends Turbine > Lord of the Rings Online, Dungeons and Dragons Online I could go on, and on, and on... virtually every game developer on the planet has multiple projects being worked on. Its how the game industry survives. Its a goddamn wonder that CCP has survived for 7 years with only a single product to their name. the Gaming Industry is moving towards MT payment system. Look at Dungeons and Dragons Online, Team Fortress 2, Second Life, GuildWars, etc, etc, etc. If you do not like this, you should probably get a new hobby, as the future of gaming is quite grim for you. IMO ccp has taken a very good, neutral position. Allowing for them to profit from MT's while still not corrupting the game environment. Stop *****ing about literally nothing.
ZenZorZar	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:19:00 - [51] What would you be willing to do to make CCP more profitable? I am willing to show them where they can buy pants for less then 1000$ ... that should help them fix their money problems right ?
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:38:00 - [52] Originally by: Terminal Insanity I'd much prefer this vanity MT system. It causes no problems for the people who dont want to take part in it (Unless they're 10 year old children and angry their mother wont buy them a monocle) This is where you're wrong. With the teams it took to make WiS (and therefore monocles) a possibility, they could have easily made massive improvements to gameplay, rebalanced just about every ship in the game, twice, and still had enough time left over to give us back the old cyno field effects (or new ones that don't look like crap) Originally by: Terminal Insanity Simply put: NeX store is overpriced, but its still selling to lots of players. They give no advantage to those players, and fund CCP's expansions and development of this game. No, they fund CCP's development of OTHER games, while eve (and the relatively easy to fix, but still game-breaking problems it has) gets ignored. Originally by: Terminal Insanity I bet players will change their mind about vanity items when they can start building some of them. I don't recall CCP saying this would happen, nor do I think it will. Originally by: Terminal Insanity Bottom line: NeX store does not effect gameplay at all. Every man-hour put towards the NeX store is a man-hour not being put towards making the game better, or fixing the problems that the players (who, again, PAY for the game) have been bringing up for YEARS. Originally by: Terminal Insanity Infact, you poorer players should be happy. CCP is finding ways for us superior players to spend our isk. Giving lesser players a chance to legally buy isk, and allowing us to all customize our characters (which many eve pilots have been asking for, for years.) I can pull in something like 5 bil a day if I set my mind to it, and I'm not even into market crap. Being poor has nothing to do with it. I want to see CCP fix the problems with the game before asking for more money for the development of something completely unrelated. Fix blasters Fix rails Fix blackops Fix FW Fix EAFs Fix AFs Fix how SCs work in smaller scale pvp THEN ask me for more money. TBH I'd gladly pay an extra 5-10 bucks a month for eve if it actually looked like CCP was putting at least SOME of that money towards making the thing I'm ****ing paying for more enjoyable.
Seishi Maru doMAL S.A.	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:42:00 - [53] Originally by: Terminal Insanity Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 27/06/2011 22:29:13 i'd be willing to buy more monocles for my alts Originally by: Seishi Maru I am more than willingly able to let Dust and WoD be discarded. The topic was what to do to make eve MORE profitable. Discarding their own hard work (or selling it at cost and letting some other company profit from them) would not help CCP at all. You all ***** and moan now, but when WoD and Dust comes out, all that money pouring into CCP's pockets, will be put into EVEOnline server/bandwidth/GMs/programmers too. I have no problem with the projects themselves. I have a problem with being arrogant enough to try 2 huge projects at same time!
Narisa Bithon Caldari The Motley Crew Reborn	Posted - 2011.06.28 00:49:00 - [54] Edited by: Narisa Bithon on 28/06/2011 00:49:08 Originally by: Seishi Maru I am more than willingly able to let Dust and WoD be discarded. not discarded but sold off otherwise ccp would still be in financial trouble with nothing to show for their investment. OR ccp could port dust 514 to pc and actually sell a fair decent number of copies. WoD i have little interest in.
K'uata Sayus	Posted - 2011.06.28 04:58:00 - [55] Originally by: Terminal Insanity Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 27/06/2011 23:57:57 Originally by: Tom Peeping Hows about CCP stop expecting Eve players to pay for both our game AND other games under deveopment? Huh? Here are a list of other companies you should be flaming, for doing this exact same thing: - ID Software (Quake, Doom, RAGE) - Valve Software (Source Engine, CS, TF2, L4D, etc) - Epic Games (Unreal Engine used in Mass Effect, Bulletstorm, Gears of War, etc) - Square Enix (Final Fantasy, Dungeon Siege, Deus Ex, Tomb Raider, Hitman, Kingdom Hearts) If you play any of these games, you should feel obligated to spend an equal amount of time on their forums telling them how to run their companies. Otherwise just admit that CCP has spoiled you by giving you too much room to flail your arms and flap your lips Originally by: K'uata Sayus Are you serious?? They don't earn the money I'm already paying them. Then stop paying them and leave. I've already unsubbed. You call this crap expansion earning their money?? Originally by: K'uata Sayus If I make terrible decisions that costs my company a lot of money I'd probably get fired. What makes CCP immune from that type of corporate dynamic? Giving more money to people who waste what they already get just wastes more money. where exactly did ccp make a bad decision? Was it when they decided to expand their product line to increase their customer base, and profits? If that's what you call a bad business decision, well, just shoot yourself in the face, yeah? Incarna was a terrible decision, the graphics of avatars stink, ships actually shrink as you move toward them, the turret icons look like lumps of coal, and the maller is one of the most unused Amarr ships due to lousy fitting constraints. The outraged customer base is directly due to this poor decision making, nothing else. I did not refer to expanding their product line, which is their prerogative, I'm talking about the worst expansion in the history of the game. Originally by: K'uata Sayus And I'm gonna worry about how CCP should make more money? A whole lot folks at CCP get paid big bucks to make CCP more profitable, let them figure it out. thank god. No company in their right mind would consider what has happened in the past week anything other than a debacle, brought on by a pathetic decision making process. The results speak for themselves, fanboi. EVERYONE SEEMS NORMAL UNTIL YOU GET TO KNOW THEM.
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.06.28 05:03:00 - [56] Originally by: jx3p I for one would buy vanity items from the store if they had realistic prices (not literally, Zulu -_-) At the current prices they got no chance. That. I love clothes but not for higher prices than their RL counterparts. And oh for a SP boost I'm also prepared to help CCP destroy a handful of PLEX too!

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