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chaosyourgod Minmatar Virtual Warriors IMPERIAL LEGI0N	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:49:00 - [1] i know the rapier is best in a fleet but i would like to know is if any more seasoned pilots have any pro tips or fits they wouldn't mind showing/telling me my thinking on how to fit it is this high 720mm Howitzer Artillery II x3 with both t2 ammos and faction emp covert ops II mids Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I x3 mwd II Invulnerability Field II scram II lows dc II nano II x2 rigs shield extenders x2 drones warriors II x5 thanks in advance the truth is but a lie
vr0p Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:13:00 - [2] Having no real damage output, I'd drop a gun and put in an expanded probe launcher (rapier is awesome for setting up an ambush). Scram seems sortof a strange choice, especially since you have MWD fitted (so any target you scram, may potentially do the same to you, preventing disengagement). Also if you're funding these yourself, I probably wouldn't go for 3 webs. 2 webs and a 1-2 large shield extenders change your survivability drastically (Rapier is quite easy to kill, so you will be replacing many). Plus, keeping track of 3 different webbed targets and keeping them in range (while maintaining your own transversal) is too much for my brain to compute.
Gunner Cid The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2011.06.28 15:58:00 - [3] You have several options, below is a recent fit I have fun flying [Rapier, Autos] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 You can also go Artillery and nano the fit a bit if you like, assuming you have Recon 5 you can fit a probe launcher without any issues. [Rapier, Arty] LADAR Backup Array II Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M Expanded Probe Launcher I, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x5 [Rapier, 650's] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Tracking Enhancer II or Gyro Tracking Enhancer II or Gyro Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x5 Hope this helps
chaosyourgod Minmatar Virtual Warriors IMPERIAL LEGI0N	Posted - 2011.06.28 19:23:00 - [4] thank you guys the truth is but a lie
deathdragons	Posted - 2011.06.28 22:50:00 - [5] jucy.. When u bringing it out?
Mysteriax The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.06.28 23:01:00 - [6] Please dont use those fits. A rapier is there to Web and to live, dps doesnt matter, For gate camps Use a 1600mm plate and some Resists (use those mids for webs and Sebo's). For roams use a shield fit. Something like this [Rapier, shield fleet] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Invulnerability Field II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Tremor M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Tremor M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Tremor M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Vespa EC-600 x4
chaosyourgod Minmatar Virtual Warriors IMPERIAL LEGI0N	Posted - 2011.06.28 23:45:00 - [7] Originally by: Mysteriax Please dont use those fits. why? expand on that the truth is but a lie
Gunner Cid The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2011.06.29 01:56:00 - [8] Based off of his fit and comments it appears as though he is suggesting that you use the rapier as a long range webber only used in a larger fleet or strictly as a plated gate tackler. Different people have different views/experiences utilizing the various Recons, the Rapier is not an exception. If you are primarily in smaller gangs/smaller scale combat your fit and use of the Rapier will be different than if in a larger fleet. In smaller fleets (2-6ppl) you can't really afford for people to focus on performing just 1 ancillary function (webbing) and call it a day. Overall it really comes down to how you plan to use the Rapier, if you are alone/with just a pal you will need all of the functionality you can squeeze out of the Rapier. That said, I have only flew the Rapier a couple hundred times in combat, 75% lowsec/25% .0. I almost exclusively fly in small gangs (less than 10 ppl). Over the years I adjust my Rapier fits to suit my needs, the 425 fit I linked above works well for solo/tandem takedowns and excels at making short work of anything that may try to close range orbit you.
Mysteriax The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.06.29 08:00:00 - [9] Why I woudlnt use your fits... Well a 190mil isk fit with less then 20k EHP... If someone sneezes at that fit it pops and Rapiers are high on the list of primaries. If you want to brawl a bit use a huginn, it has more dps.
Wardeneo Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.29 09:56:00 - [10] Originally by: Gunner Cid You have several options, below is a recent fit I have fun flying [Rapier, Autos] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 You can also go Artillery and nano the fit a bit if you like, assuming you have Recon 5 you can fit a probe launcher without any issues. [Rapier, Arty] LADAR Backup Array II Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M Expanded Probe Launcher I, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x5 Hope this helps These 2 fits are same as mine... +1.. . - Wardeneo - - Elite Forum Ninja -
knobber Jobbler Holding Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.29 10:25:00 - [11] I'm wary of using a MWD on a rapier as you can be equally webbed and another rapier with faction webs will outrange you just slightly even with T2 webs and recon V. The downside of an AB on a plated rapier is its so damn slow. Also consider shield rigs give you a bigger sig radius and using a MWD further increases that so lowers your survivability. Remember the Rapier is tackle, Huginn is the brawler of the two. In a situation where you're flying with other ships who are set out for damage then your weapons are the lowest priority. Also using the cloak will decrease your lock time on gates to the point it may well be useless if you want to catch quick aligning targets. As pointed out, its best to fit for the situation you're going to be putting it into and fly a huginn if you don't need the cloak. Its a fun ship though and can be fit to do all sorts of situations. Good luck, you can make a real difference with that ship on roams.
chaosyourgod Minmatar Virtual Warriors IMPERIAL LEGI0N	Posted - 2011.06.29 12:49:00 - [12] well i have been fitting it out for small gang warfair as thats mostly the combat i can get, however i do have a huginn haven't really gotten into it yet, does the same job but its better at surriving, although that being said i've found that being able to cloak and warp has saved me from getting slaughtered by rooks and kings and then being cloaked keeping eyes on them. while i understand better ehp is better, that gtfo ability really does help. its a shame its drone bay is really small, i think my next rapier will be 460 fit but im considering saboing it, would that help ? the truth is but a lie
Pistrik Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.29 14:33:00 - [13] Edited by: Pistrik on 29/06/2011 14:34:17 I love my rapier. It is my most used ship, and it excels in small gang warfare... which is what my corp also excels in. My personal fit: [Rapier, ****boat] Signal Amplifier II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Warp Disruptor II 650mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, EMP M Expanded Probe Launcher I, Combat Scanner Probe I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x5 Warrior II x3 I use Fed. Navies for the webs, but otherwise it's the same. Higher base scan res for catching smaller ships (Increased even more through fleet boosts unless you fly with terrible pilots). Useful both for camping and for roaming. My other setup is basically the same, except I switch out arties and the probe launcher for 220mm ACs. Mainly used for point defense against inties and other tacklers.
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.06.29 18:30:00 - [14] I'm not much of a fan of the Rapier going into 24km pt range when there are bonused things you could also be fitting so I tend to just fit two webs and a painter. You can swap either of these out for a point if you need it. Or a third web if you are somebody who doesn't appreciate painting. If you are fitting any damage mods to it, you are in the wrong hull. A Loki with the web range bonus is the ship you want if you are looking to deal damage. [Rapier, gang] Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Power Diagnostic System II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Target Painter II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Expanded Probe Launcher I, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe I 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x8 ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.

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