Originally by: octahexx Charante

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yes.
your the only one in the entire world.

your going where no man has gone before.

your on the cutting edge of a new outlook on eve.

from there you can builda tower from the skulls of your enemies and breed midget dragons and dance to homemade disco music.

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Originally by: Liquid Pwnzone

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Cruising through forums for the last few days it is hard to miss the stains of all the pimple-sweat-saturated nerd rage. I read the leaked newsletter and have read many posts concerning the evil that are micro transactions. I, frankly, don't see what the big deal is. As of right now, you can spend oodles of ISK OR Real money to buy vanity items that don't directly effect the gameplay. Yes, the newsletter suggests in the future they plan to implement ways to purchase more powerful upgrades such as faction standings. Does that make me angry? No. I grinded my faction standings over the course of a couple months and if there was an alternative to that, i probably would have gotten it. Now, would I buy a plex card with real money, convert that plex card into aurum then buy this faction boost item? No. Would i buy one of these items on the EVE market for ISK (because it will probably be there)? Yes. I think many people fail to realize that every single aurum-bought item can and probably will be available for isk (just like plex cards are) on the market. Games are moving towards micro-transactions today. That is just fact. I think EVE needs to adapt or die in this regard. Many people already do this real-money to isk swap via plex trading. Is it not logical to just expand on that and give these plex traders the option to sell other items as well? If it all ends up on the eve market for ISK, whats the big deal? CCP gets more income, we get cooler, rarer items. Most popular MMO's today have this available: WoW (vanity items), LOTRO, Battlefield play 4 free, battlefield heroes, upcoming tribes ascend, star trek online, World of Tanks , I do believe even the famous upcoming SWTOR will have a microtransaction market. Not all of those games have subscription fees associated with the MT market, so that is where CCP will have to tread carefully.

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Originally by: Mitra Warpsmith

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Originally by: Liquid Pwnzone

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You are normal, they don't want to hear that you can buy AUR for ISK, they would rather throw temper tanturms because they enjoy being drama queens.

Have you noticed most of them cannot even articulate the problem, all they do is post stupid gimics and spin.

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Yes, because you're -definately- NOT spinning ARE you. *makes big, easily understandable gestures for her with his hands* Arrreee yooooouuuu??? Do you understand...? Okay.

Originally by: Takseen

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You're certainly not the only one. I'm not really that bothered by microtransactions either, especially not vanity ones. And I already regard the use of PLEX to ISK conversions and alt accounts as a form of P2W anyway. Nor am I massively upset by a small amount of fiddling with the player-run economy.

Nah, what bothers me is that I was stupid enough to take the 2 months for $20 resub deal right before the expansion hit and got almost nothing to show for it.

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Originally by: Julius Mayaki

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You are not alone freind.
:brofist:

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Originally by: Liquid Pwnzone

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Cruising through forums for the last few days it is hard to miss the stains of all the pimple-sweat-saturated nerd rage. I read the leaked newsletter and have read many posts concerning the evil that are micro transactions. I, frankly, don't see what the big deal is.

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I think many people fail to realize that every single aurum-bought item can and probably will be available for isk (just like plex cards are) on the market. Games are moving towards micro-transactions today. That is just fact. I think EVE needs to adapt or die in this regard. Many people already do this real-money to isk swap via plex trading. Is it not logical to just expand on that and give these plex traders the option to sell other items as well? If it all ends up on the eve market for ISK, whats the big deal?

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CCP gets more income, we get cooler, rarer items. Most popular MMO's today have this available: WoW (vanity items), LOTRO, Battlefield play 4 free, battlefield heroes, upcoming tribes ascend, star trek online, World of Tanks , I do believe even the famous upcoming SWTOR will have a microtransaction market. Not all of those games have subscription fees associated with the MT market, so that is where CCP will have to tread carefully.

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Originally by: Ulair Memmet

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.... MT items would change that as they are created out of thin air.......

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Originally by: Mitra Warpsmith

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Originally by: Ulair Memmet

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.... MT items would change that as they are created out of thin air.......

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You mean like LP items...

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Originally by: Ulair Memmet

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Originally by: Mitra Warpsmith

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Originally by: Ulair Memmet

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.... MT items would change that as they are created out of thin air.......

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You mean like LP items...

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How long do you need to play to get a faction BS?

How long do you need to play to get a MT BS?

Get it?

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Originally by: Tosser Galore

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Edited by: Tosser Galore on 28/06/2011 22:54:45
The future of EvE.


All VIP Players receive:
Everything Free Players get PLUS:
Unlimited access to all (missions) and areas within The EvE online Ö: Shadows of Cluster****
Fight as a sansha against other players in incursion reloaded Play PvMP
VIP Perks - More Character Slots, Isk Limit Uncapped, Training time Boost and additional Perks like Boosters and Priority Login
Receive 500 "eve sell-out" Points every month that can be used in the EvE store on buffs, monocles, cosmetic outfits, In station pets and much more!


It's going to be awesome

edit:
::DOUBLEDIP::

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Originally by: Noillia Durmot

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Originally by: Tosser Galore

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Edited by: Tosser Galore on 28/06/2011 22:54:45
The future of EvE.


All VIP Players receive:
Everything Free Players get PLUS:
Unlimited access to all (missions) and areas within The EvE online Ö: Shadows of Cluster****
Fight as a sansha against other players in incursion reloaded Play PvMP
VIP Perks - More Character Slots, Isk Limit Uncapped, Training time Boost and additional Perks like Boosters and Priority Login
Receive 500 "eve sell-out" Points every month that can be used in the EvE store on buffs, monocles, cosmetic outfits, In station pets and much more!


It's going to be awesome

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::DOUBLEDIP::

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Does anything more need to be added?

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Originally by: Krutoj

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You dont have a supercapital? buy PLEX trade it for ISK, buy supers. Just like any other mmo you can use your RL to pimp your character out (or tank for that matter).

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Originally by: Ulair Memmet

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Oh my god don't you know how to press the return-button ?

The reason why i'm against MT of non-vanity items in general is because what differenciates EVE from most other MMOs out there is, that it's a sandbox. There is nothing in this game (so far) that hasn't been built by players or earned by players.

Yes, you can easily use PLEX to get isk, but even that isk has been earned by someone in the game. MT items would change that as they are created out of thin air.

If suddenly everyone bought 10 PLEXes and sold them ingame the prices would fall drasticly and make them pretty much useless. Because just because there are more PLEXes it doesnt mean there is more isk.

If everyone buys a faction-ship with PLEXes on the other hand, then we'd suddenly have a ****load of ships that came out of nowhere. They probably wouldn't be worth any good isk, but they'd still be usable by anyone and totally screw up things.

Think again: If everyone would sell PLEXes to buy ships from the market those ships would rise in price dramatically because at some point there would be nothing left to buy. A ship created by MT NEVER runs out and therefore imbalances the market and gameplay in EVE.

Now if CCP did anything with skillpoints or allowed you to remap them that would be a big "F**k you" to every veteran player who spent YEARS in getting the skills that he/she has now. For many of us the only reason we sometimes kept our accounts subbed when we weren't playing was that we'd still get SP for it. Selling SP would most likely result to something similar that happened to SWG with Sony's "ingenious" New Game Enhancements...
Read up what happened there. Before NGE, Jedis where frikking hard to get. After NGE they were a standard class. Everyone got one, the vets were royally ****ed and everything went down the drain.

Faction standings are a similar issue. If EVE had been like this from the start it would be fine, but to change things now is just unfair.

MT with just vanity-items should work fine IMO as those items aren't connected to the current market or gameplay. There could be millions of those items ingame and it wouldn't make much of a difference. They'd probably only get pretty damn cheap. But you can't convert them back so they won't affect PLEX-prices. And they won't imbalance the game because they don't do anything apart from looking neat.

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Originally by: Warvan

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Originally by: Ulair Memmet

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Oh my god don't you know how to press the return-button ?

The reason why i'm against MT of non-vanity items in general is because what differenciates EVE from most other MMOs out there is, that it's a sandbox. There is nothing in this game (so far) that hasn't been built by players or earned by players.

Yes, you can easily use PLEX to get isk, but even that isk has been earned by someone in the game. MT items would change that as they are created out of thin air.

If suddenly everyone bought 10 PLEXes and sold them ingame the prices would fall drasticly and make them pretty much useless. Because just because there are more PLEXes it doesnt mean there is more isk.

If everyone buys a faction-ship with PLEXes on the other hand, then we'd suddenly have a ****load of ships that came out of nowhere. They probably wouldn't be worth any good isk, but they'd still be usable by anyone and totally screw up things.

Think again: If everyone would sell PLEXes to buy ships from the market those ships would rise in price dramatically because at some point there would be nothing left to buy. A ship created by MT NEVER runs out and therefore imbalances the market and gameplay in EVE.

Now if CCP did anything with skillpoints or allowed you to remap them that would be a big "F**k you" to every veteran player who spent YEARS in getting the skills that he/she has now. For many of us the only reason we sometimes kept our accounts subbed when we weren't playing was that we'd still get SP for it. Selling SP would most likely result to something similar that happened to SWG with Sony's "ingenious" New Game Enhancements...
Read up what happened there. Before NGE, Jedis where frikking hard to get. After NGE they were a standard class. Everyone got one, the vets were royally ****ed and everything went down the drain.

Faction standings are a similar issue. If EVE had been like this from the start it would be fine, but to change things now is just unfair.

MT with just vanity-items should work fine IMO as those items aren't connected to the current market or gameplay. There could be millions of those items ingame and it wouldn't make much of a difference. They'd probably only get pretty damn cheap. But you can't convert them back so they won't affect PLEX-prices. And they won't imbalance the game because they don't do anything apart from looking neat.

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humm... I have a little tune for you and others that think like you.....

Sandy vaginosis

Sandy vaginosis

Sandy vaginosis

Get it cleaned out

Visit the Doctor and get a remedy


Now when you finally get that gerbil in your head to spin the wheel fast enough to understand that I got something else for you to attempt to wrap you brain around.

MTs PROPERLY MANAGED can actually HELP a game grow.

You say you are against NON Vanity items in the "Cash shop" And I agree with you on that.

All of you however are hinging on ONE person mentioning ONE "golden ship" and you have a shyt fest...

Oh.. and just because you read something on the internet does not make it rock hard concrete true.. I promise you that you can go on line somewhere and find some FOOL who claims to have trapped Bigfoot only to lose him due to a gay bear chasing after bigfoot.

STOP BEING A PUPPET PERSON!

THINK! IT'S NOT ILLEGAL YET!

Last think I'm going to say

I hope I have this spread out enough for you to read.. I would hate to have a wall of text that hurts your gerbil when you try to shift it's little power belt to your eyes.

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