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Krist Alana
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Posted - 2011.06.29 08:02:00 -
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Edited by: Krist Alana on 29/06/2011 08:04:37
 Originally by: InfernalWill
MT for actual in game items in any OTHER game would be gamebreaking. However, eve is not every other game because it already has this feature in it with the plex.
OP does not understand how plex works. No need to read beyond this.
Or he is successful troll.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.29 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
What if a Machariel/Nightmare-equivalent ship from NeX cost the equivalent of $1000? Would that impact on the ISK price of Machariels or Nightmares?
Setting an aggressive price on NeX materials will ensure low supply. How many $1000 ships can you afford to buy?
I've seen this "expensive" argument before. I addressed it in this thread but will poke at it in a different way for this response.
CCP is a business, they want to sell stuff and make money. They won't stick to a $1000 ship. The next will be $750, then $500, down and down till they're selling shiny gold pimp frigs for a buck. It is inevitable if they even start down that path.
The Nex will essentially have a monopoly with no way players can possibly compete with that monopoly's power. We have far too much historical evidence that shows monopolies will abuse their advantages at the expense of anyone else.
Even if I had full faith in CCP, which I certainly do not, I would not trust them with that power. No one escapes its influence.
Originally by: Mara Rinn
What if NeX operated the same way as existing LP stores? That is, you have to trade in some number of Aurum, ISK and items to get something back. Or trade in Aurum for a BPC of something.
"ShipTypeA + Aurum = Bling ShipTypeA" is the way to go. What goes in, comes out with sparkles. This is the only way to ensure that the transaction is sandbox neutral.
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ
We'll watch what you do not what you say.
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Azahni Vah'nos
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.29 08:23:00 -
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Hi I just want to ring in and thank the people explaining why selling non-vanity items in the NEX store is a terrible idea in a sandbox game. I'm not an economics expert by any means but I can openly see how one little non-vanity item snowball will cause an avalanche for the in-game economy.
I've seen the PLEX argument used often to justify the NEX non-vanity items and it astounds me that people can't see how PlEX doesn't circumvent the in-game economy.
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2011.06.30 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: InfernalWill
Please read in its entirety before comments. Please leave actual intelligent responses with examples.
Explanation on MT and in game store, removed from the liberal burn down ccp mob mentality.
MT for actual in game items in any OTHER game would be gamebreaking. However, eve is not every other game because it already has this feature in it with the plex.
MT through aurum for non vanity items "Would" be gamebreaking if it did not already exist in the game with plex. If ccp put non vanity items in the store the only "advantage" it would give those people that bought them with real world currency is time. This is because you will still be able to purchase these items with the in game currency isk, by converting it to plex, and then converting plex to aurum to purchase those items. The ONLY advantage gained by using real money is in the time it would take to generate the isk to convert to aurum.
this is not quite so.
you see, the boots for the price of a few battleships seems weird at first, but when you think or it, it makes perfect sense. the catch is that the boots are NOT worth several hundred millions, they are worth a few AUR which are NOT the same thing as ISK. Aur/Isk rate is totally speculated so that worth is completely dependent on the player's perception.
so in terms of game story, boots do NOT in fact cost that much ISK - they are simply not available for ISK. if some crazy player would still spend hundreds of millions ISK for those boots, its entirely his problem, not game's, since players are supposed to buy this stuff for real money which are AUR.
and then comes non vanity items. you see, their price will not be dictated by logic of ISK, it's going to be dictated by how greedy CCP is. you will see a packs of ammo for the price of several billion ISK converted. the richest spoiled kids with access to their millionaire parents' CC will play this game spending thousands of dollars to pwn the lesser beings which any non MP players are. this is how it ends up in MT games always.
and yes, the middle man is important, because with him the price is dictated by supply and demand, and in the case of NeX the price is dictated by CCP entirely.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ocih
MT store in EVE is predatory. I know and most of the Vet commuunity know that they won't be able to put game breaking goods in the MT store. Anything they put in there won't be any better than anything in the game now. Officer Mods are in Jita for a reason. They aren't worth as much on the battlefield. Only high sec mission runners use them. On a similar note, all items added to MT will be fodder on a gate just like all the meta 14 stuff is. Anything sold there will be vanity collection items or some stupid noob 2 months in to the game who has no idea how linear the combat mechanics are in EVE. With MT they can bilk the nub for $300 in 3 months though rather than $50.
Unethical? Yep. Bottom feeding, like MT flash MMOs? Yep.
CCP don't care? Yep.
You've played SWG haven't you? 
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Zylla
Southern Cross Trilogy
Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2011.06.30 03:02:00 -
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Edited by: Zylla on 30/06/2011 03:03:32
Perhaps if they had only diverted funds from EvE to build only 1 other game at a time they would not have run into this shortage of funds which requires they double dip from the wallets of EvE players. EvE is a subscription game and has been for it's lifetime. If they want to switch to free to play then switch, don't charge additionally to cover their lack of fiscal responsibility.
I would like a winter house in Florida and a cottage in northern Ontario. If I went up to my boss and said "look, I know you pay me X per hour, but I want you to give me another $5,000 each month on top of that so I can have these 2 other properties I like". I'm pretty sure he would tell me where to go and that there are other people who would quite happily take my job for what I'm making now or possibly even less because we're in a recession.
The outrage on the forums is completely acceptable and should have been expected by them. Anybody who thinks their attitude is anything remotely close to acceptable really needs to stop playing and go read a paper and get involved with real life. I shell out just over $600 a year to play and I've just recently rebuilt my computer at a cost of about $1300. Before the patch I could run all 4 accounts mining and watch a movie. After the patch I avoid having more that 1 character docked at a time and I still get warnings from Windows 7 about high resource usage constantly. I looked forward to the release Incarna for more immersion but now I'm just really disappointed.
One account went inactive today, 2 others have time until August the last will go in November. If they fix this then I will resub all of them. I've met a lot of great people here and I have had more fun in this game than any other. The community itself is just amazing, it's sad to watch it in what seems to be it's death throes.
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Blu'lite Special
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Posted - 2011.06.30 03:08:00 -
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Doesn't the PLEX<>ISK MT of the Russians hiring every Merc alliance already prove game breaking? Soon we have all of Null being run by Russians. Once the forums become a Cyrillic only posting place, will other nationalities still play in Empire?
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Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.30 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
Setting an aggressive price on NeX materials will ensure low supply. How many $1000 ships can you afford to buy?
The rest is redundant or additional nonsense.
The whole point of the NEX and MT is to generate revenue. No one would buy a ship for $1000 real dollars so there wouldn't be much of a point selling one for that price now would there? However people spend $60+ equivalent now on those Macharials and so CCP could sell the damned things all day long at 4 plex per give it an extra mid and they'd sell easily for 5 plex. And that's the sales point they'd be at.
Any other pricing scheme would be counter productive. Because the whole point of sales is to find the sweet spot on the supply/demand curves and gouge the customers as much as they can stand. MT is a case where there is no cost to production for individual items so the only lower bound on price is market saturation.
The price point you will find items of power hitting will be a bit more than their in game equivalents but not so much as to make them impractical for use.
I don't understand how people can argue against us based on the idea that "CCP is a business and their job is to make money" but then turn around and argue that they won't act like a business and will implement a cash shop in a completely irrational manner.
Lets look at it from a cold rational economic perspective. There is no rational reason to create the level of drama and discord with your customers as this is unless you expect to be able to engage in a practice in such a way as to generate sufficient additional revenue to justify the bad press.
The only way they're going down this path is if they've run the financials and figured out how to maximize their earnings.
I assure you that they will not limit themselves to over priced bottlecaps. They will release items of power those items of power will be just enough better than faction/T2 to justify it's use and just cheap enough to be viable to the average user. Because that's what you do to maximize profits anything else is irrational from a business perspective.
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Amber Villaneous
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Posted - 2011.06.30 03:21:00 -
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OP is another DevAlt or mouthbreathing ****** that can't think beyond his next meal and his big screen TV.
Close duplicate thread please.
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.30 03:33:00 -
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+1 to op, as usual.
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Originally by: CCP Guard
Nobody gets to ruin EVE but us!
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Cataca
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Posted - 2011.06.30 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ocih
MT store in EVE is predatory. I know and most of the Vet commuunity know that they won't be able to put game breaking goods in the MT store. Anything they put in there won't be any better than anything in the game now. Officer Mods are in Jita for a reason. They aren't worth as much on the battlefield. Only high sec mission runners use them. On a similar note, all items added to MT will be fodder on a gate just like all the meta 14 stuff is. Anything sold there will be vanity collection items or some stupid noob 2 months in to the game who has no idea how linear the combat mechanics are in EVE. With MT they can bilk the nub for $300 in 3 months though rather than $50.
Unethical? Yep. Bottom feeding, like MT flash MMOs? Yep.
CCP don't care? Yep.
me myself, loved this article for all the facts it presented. No superstition at all, and all facts.
I iked where you told people that they where pulling things out of their ass, because clearly, that aint what you are doing yourself.
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