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EXELikesDudes
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Posted - 2011.06.29 04:54:00 -
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Hey guys n girls,
On my mining OPS ive been getting can flipped alot by a certain individual. My mate has 75ksp full combat pvp pilot, what would be a loadout/ship that he can just sit cloaked and blow the **** outta someone that can flips ?
Regards
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kusinoki
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Posted - 2011.06.29 06:50:00 -
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Protus
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.06.29 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: EXELikesDudes
On my mining OPS ive been getting can flipped alot by a certain individual. My mate has 75ksp full combat pvp pilot, what would be a loadout/ship that he can just sit cloaked and blow the **** outta someone that can flips ?
This is one of those rare situations where waiting til you have a bit more SP might be a good idea. 75k is still a bit too "green" to be thinking about killing anyone in a 1v1... at least, not without some help.
A bit more info might also be helpful in devising a "solution" to your problem. Info like; what ship is the offending pilot using? Does he/she have other corpmates in system? How about the surrounding systems? Is there an Orca (large sub-capital support ship) nearby? What kind of budget are you working with for fitting ships? _______________________
"Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2011.06.29 07:33:00 -
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Edited by: ChromeStriker on 29/06/2011 07:33:32 What ship does he tend to fly? is he in a corp? are there other corp members in system? answer those and i may have a cunning plan
edit: somehow spelt some words backwards...not sure how??? - Nulla Curas |
EXELikesDudes
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Posted - 2011.06.29 08:22:00 -
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yes he does have a orca mate nearby that warps in to collect the ore, is that a bad sign , he could just swap ship am i right ?
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2011.06.29 08:40:00 -
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Its VERY important! if your going to backflip a can then you dont want an orca remote repping him or some other friend jumping in and doing the same... this will prob happen anyway..., however there are ways around it depending on theyre ship type. As for swapping ship... that could happen... doubt it tho and if you do it properly it wont matter - Nulla Curas |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.06.29 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: EXELikesDudes yes he does have a orca mate nearby that warps in to collect the ore, is that a bad sign , he could just swap ship am i right ?
Precisely. This seems like a fight you had best avoid. Move to new grounds or get someone do "hauler duty" and collect the jetcans as soon as they are made. _______________________
"Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
EXELikesDudes
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Posted - 2011.06.29 09:06:00 -
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he flys a hurricane, what would be a good ship, that could take him out asap ? ,
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EXELikesDudes
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Posted - 2011.06.29 09:12:00 -
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would a good fitted loki get him ?
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2011.06.29 09:40:00 -
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loki v cane i would put my money on the loki but only if its flown well, with a good fit, and heres the clincher... the hurricane has no backup
i would use....
[Typhoon, Its A Phoon Phool] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
100MN Digital Booster Rockets Heavy 'Brave' Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 Stasis Webifier II Warp Disruptor II
Dual 650mm 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L Dual 650mm 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L Dual 650mm 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L Dual 650mm 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L Dual 650mm 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Republic Fleet EMP L 500W Infectious Power System Malfunction 500W Infectious Power System Malfunction Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Large Anti-Explosive Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Projectile Collision Accelerator I
Warrior II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x5 Light Shield Maintenance Bot I x5
Quite simple, warp to the can at zero and cap the cane dry, use med drones to help kill it asap and if backup arrives just warp away. shouldnt need anymore than 2 cycles and once its mwd is out and its webbed you shouldnt have any trouble. Best to use an alt that has baited the can, i wouldnt flip a can if the system was full of corp members lol
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EXELikesDudes
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Posted - 2011.06.29 10:00:00 -
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Cheers chrome, sounds good, its in a quite system only me in there usually. Thats why i love it.
I will give the typhoon a go for sure,
what is the typhoon weak against if i where to run into another ?
Regards
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.29 10:13:00 -
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What you want to do is be in fleet with your buddy, have him drop the can, and then mine into it. Have him cloak up somewhere nearby (10-20km from the can is fine), then wait for a canflipper to come along.
Lulz guaranteed. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2011.06.29 10:15:00 -
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Edited by: ChromeStriker on 29/06/2011 10:20:01
Originally by: EXELikesDudes Cheers chrome, sounds good, its in a quite system only me in there usually. Thats why i love it.
I will give the typhoon a go for sure,
what is the typhoon weak against if i where to run into another ?
Regards
Another Battleship would eat you (unless its using lazers then you might have a chance), T3's would be a pain with the right set ups... anything that can hold you outside 24km (interceptors, bonused ships), and a gang/ energy repped ships. The rest you can kill or run from (ish), 1v1 and landing at zero (ie the can) this is a very hard nut to crack. The trick is going to be catching the cane if its already aligned out, if thats the case try and bump it (prob wont work but there you go)
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris What you want to do is be in fleet with your buddy, have him drop the can, and then mine into it. Have him cloak up somewhere nearby (10-20km from the can is fine), then wait for a canflipper to come along.
Lulz guaranteed.
this is similar to what i have done, except i just put 10 tri in the can then warp to a near by safe spot, alighn to the the bookmarked can and then read a book/chill/drink untill i hear sirens bwa ha ha - Nulla Curas |
EXELikesDudes
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Posted - 2011.06.29 10:20:00 -
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what about this
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http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/26047-PvP-Typhoon-1349dps-110k-HP.html
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2011.06.29 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: EXELikesDudes what about this
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http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/26047-PvP-Typhoon-1349dps-110k-HP.html
not in this situation, the neuts are paramount to stop the cane kiting you and you would never applly full dps. If you wanted to gank him, id just use a mael/pest theyre better at it, think of the phoon as a big hurricane that eats BC's for breckfast nom nom nom (1v1 anyway) - Nulla Curas |
Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.29 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: ChromeStriker Its VERY important! if your going to backflip a can then you dont want an orca remote repping him or some other friend jumping in and doing the same... this will prob happen anyway..., however there are ways around it depending on theyre ship type. As for swapping ship... that could happen... doubt it tho and if you do it properly it wont matter
Ummm, if the Orca is RRing, he's an idiot and is doing it wrong. Screw the cane, gank the Orca instead if he does that. And yes, he will ship swap... The Orca's not there to just collect ore. Ship swapping, despite what CCP says is a rather cheap, risk free exploit, and the only way to overcome this, is to have plenty RR yourself and have someone bump the hell out of the Orca, away from the fight. Otherwise he will just dock his ship and pod away if he's losing. -----
Whoever said, "You only get one shot to make a good impression," was utterly wrong. I've made plenty of great impressions with my Autocannons. |
spaceman02
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Posted - 2011.06.30 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: ChromeStriker
not in this situation, the neuts are paramount to stop the cane kiting you
What kind of Cane pilot would try to kite a Typhoon? Battleship-sized ACs outrange BC-sized ACs. The only problem is making sure the Cane doesn't run away, so fit a scram instead of a disruptor and you should be golden. If you're confident you're landing on zero, you could have sthing like AB scram web web or AB scram web TP in your mids (TP for the torps). |
grumpyguts1
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Posted - 2011.06.30 00:53:00 -
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Remember after uncloaking you going to wait 20seconds before you can target, in most ships anyway. Why not just get your friend to sit next to you in a hauler and as you dump ore, he picks it up.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.06.30 02:56:00 -
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Personally, I'd go for a Falcon to lock him down (Minmatar ships are weak to ECM), and have all the miners embarrass him by killing him with drones.
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Dorn Val
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Posted - 2011.06.30 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander Personally, I'd go for a Falcon to lock him down (Minmatar ships are weak to ECM), and have all the miners embarrass him by killing him with drones.
Then he brings in the Orca, swaps ships, and everyone dies in a fire...
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2011.06.30 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Cordo Draken
Originally by: ChromeStriker Its VERY important! if your going to backflip a can then you dont want an orca remote repping him or some other friend jumping in and doing the same... this will prob happen anyway..., however there are ways around it depending on theyre ship type. As for swapping ship... that could happen... doubt it tho and if you do it properly it wont matter
Ummm, if the Orca is RRing, he's an idiot and is doing it wrong. Screw the cane, gank the Orca instead if he does that. And yes, he will ship swap... The Orca's not there to just collect ore. Ship swapping, despite what CCP says is a rather cheap, risk free exploit, and the only way to overcome this, is to have plenty RR yourself and have someone bump the hell out of the Orca, away from the fight. Otherwise he will just dock his ship and pod away if he's losing.
i dislike this exploit. iv never come across it before but after some google'in you talk sense, not sure how you would get around this short of killing him before he can get to the orca (if hes webbed n neuted its possible, no chance of the orca getting anywhere fast, but it sertainly ups his survival rate... )
Originally by: spaceman02
Originally by: ChromeStriker
not in this situation, the neuts are paramount to stop the cane kiting you
What kind of Cane pilot would try to kite a Typhoon? Battleship-sized ACs outrange BC-sized ACs. The only problem is making sure the Cane doesn't run away, so fit a scram instead of a disruptor and you should be golden. If you're confident you're landing on zero, you could have sthing like AB scram web web or AB scram web TP in your mids (TP for the torps).
Ok kiting might be the wrong word, i ment to stop him orbiting within disruptor range but still under your guns. if I was the cane pilot and i saw a big red flashy battleship jump on top of me, the first thing I would do is punch it as fast as i can and im quite confident it could pull 10km before its locked and pointed. in which case a scram is pretty useless however 2 and a half heavy neuts will screw him over nicely (no mwd/ab, no warping, no point, no ewar,) all he can do is sit there and try and outgun a battleship.... torps could work, i just dont like the mandatory TP it intails, easier just to use guns a web is more useful tbh. - Nulla Curas |
notha atfast
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: notha atfast on 30/06/2011 15:50:11 If he isn't in his Orca...could a friend web nuet and Damp him while you fly your pod in and hop into his ship?
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: notha atfast Edited by: notha atfast on 30/06/2011 15:50:11 If he isn't in his Orca...could a friend web nuet and Damp him while you fly your pod in and hop into his ship?
The Orca would be piloted by an alt or friend. He would change ship with one that is inside the Orcas ship hangar - Nulla Curas |
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