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ScreenWipe Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.06.29 08:32:00 - [1] 6k rage nerds decide to quit, they were given ample opportunity to log on to singularity to test out Incarna before it was released and make their voices heard, they chose not to. Now they want to throw it back in your face. 10k botters and rmt's were kicked and banned not long ago and new eden was a better place for it. 49k accounts have not bothered complaining on the forums, so i assume that these people fully support the way EVE ONLINE is going. Keep up the good work! Dont stand down!
Smoking Blunts	Posted - 2011.06.29 08:37:00 - [2] many people did, i included. we said it was bad, they didnt listern. incarna was ment to be optional, at least that is what ccp said. maybe they lied?
ScreenWipe Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.06.29 08:39:00 - [3] Originally by: Smoking Blunts maybe they lied? it wouldnt be the first time would it?
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.29 08:42:00 - [4] Originally by: ScreenWipe they were given ample opportunity to log on to singularity to test out Incarna before it was released Funnily enough, that's not what the rage is about, so no amount of testing would have solved that. Moreoverà Quote: and make their voices heard, they chose not to. àeven funnier, those of us who did log in can't help noticing that choosing to make our voices heard has had no effect. No voice could be raised about the things people are raging about. The things people made their voices heard about were not addressed. So what was your point again? ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
ScreenWipe Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.06.29 08:46:00 - [5] Originally by: Tippia So what was your point again? Hmm.. raging about a internal email that wasn't set in concrete and repeated comments by Zulu "there will be no golden ammo" Mind the step as you leave
Imok Aishai	Posted - 2011.06.29 08:46:00 - [6] Agreed. It's just very angry minority that's raging on forums and they shouldn't be allowed to stop eve from moving forward just because they don't like something CCP is doing. I am also willing to bet majority of these who "cancel" their subscription will renew it soon after it run out and it looks like they are still actively reading and posting on these forums.
Katrina Cortez	Posted - 2011.06.29 08:48:00 - [7] Edited by: Katrina Cortez on 29/06/2011 08:48:44 All forum posters are a minority... My sub ended yesterday... Ambulation... because spaceships don't have wallets.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.29 08:48:00 - [8] Originally by: ScreenWipe Hmm.. raging about a internal email that wasn't set in concrete and repeated comments by Zulu "there will be no golden ammo" Hmmà no, none of that is mentioned in the OP. So what was your point again? ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.06.29 08:49:00 - [9] Originally by: Imok Aishai Agreed. It's just very angry minority that's raging on forums and they shouldn't be allowed to stop eve from moving forward just because they don't like something CCP is doing. I am also willing to bet majority of these who "cancel" their subscription will renew it soon after it run out and it looks like they are still actively reading and posting on these forums. Please do not presume to indicate what I am contemplating, I can see you were not born into a higher class family and I forgive you for that.
ScreenWipe Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.06.29 08:50:00 - [10] Edited by: ScreenWipe on 29/06/2011 08:51:18 Originally by: TippiaSo what was your point again?[/quote That you all should bio mass your characters and leave, 'cause will be a better place without you Edit: sry for the typo's, Zor was being a *****, i finally put him down for a worthless hardwiring

Gwenywell Shumuku	Posted - 2011.06.29 08:50:00 - [11] Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 29/06/2011 08:50:45 Originally by: ScreenWipe 6k rage nerds decide to quit, they were given ample opportunity to log on to singularity to test out Incarna before it was released and make their voices heard, they chose not to. Now they want to throw it back in your face. 10k botters and rmt's were kicked and banned not long ago and new eden was a better place for it. 49k accounts have not bothered complaining on the forums, so i assume that these people fully support the way EVE ONLINE is going. Keep up the good work! Dont stand down! way to miss the point completely. 1. we are here BECAUSE our voices are not heard (if "greed is good" and "hilmar-mail" and "devblog" didn't show us that, what else) 2. alot of ppl did post suggestions and concernse (one even made a video about it how incarna should be), only because YOU are oblivious to it doesnt make it an argument for you Also, sub-statistic are important, not login-statistics, subs don't run out instantaniously.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.29 08:52:00 - [12] Edited by: Tippia on 29/06/2011 08:53:57 Originally by: ScreenWipe That you all should bio mass your characters and leave, 'cause will be a better place without you Hmmà no, none of that was on the OP. The OP suggested a problem that was a straw man and a solution that was proven ineffective. So what was your point again? Btw, I can't help noticing that you accidentally claimed that a vast majority of the EVE players are complaining about the direction CCP has chosen. Was that your point? Because you're giving kind of a mixed message in that caseà ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Crispin McTarmac	Posted - 2011.06.29 08:57:00 - [13] Originally by: Tippia those of us who did log in can't help noticing that choosing to make our voices heard has had no effect. Apart from quite a panicky blog post from eve's content director and the community's voted representatives being flown to iceland at a couple of days notice you mean?
Ayame Yubari	Posted - 2011.06.29 08:57:00 - [14] "Don't stand down"? I'm baffled by some comments lately. How could you stand on CCP's side after what happened these past days? Or worse, even cheer them on to continue down this anti-customer path? Do you genuinely want micro-transactions for none-vanity items? If you don't, did you not understand what it is all about? Or are you just trolling to feel important? Are you just feelling all manly that such a thing can't possibly bother you? I really want to know. I'm a very new player, so no bitter vet at all. But it took me all of 10 minutes to realize that all the outrage is very understandable and should be supported (which I did).
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.06.29 08:58:00 - [15] Originally by: ScreenWipe 6k rage nerds decide to quit, they were given ample opportunity to log on to singularity to test out Incarna before it was released and make their voices heard, they chose not to. Now they want to throw it back in your face. 10k botters and rmt's were kicked and banned not long ago and new eden was a better place for it. 49k accounts have not bothered complaining on the forums, so i assume that these people fully support the way EVE ONLINE is going. Keep up the good work! Dont stand down! You do realize the prices on Sing was different than the final price on Tranq? Don't be so quick to call the protesters the vocal minority either, didn't work good for SOE...
Just Another Toon	Posted - 2011.06.29 08:59:00 - [16] Originally by: ScreenWipe 6k rage nerds decide to quit, they were given ample opportunity to log on to singularity to test out Incarna before it was released and make their voices heard, they chose not to. Now they want to throw it back in your face. 10k botters and rmt's were kicked and banned not long ago and new eden was a better place for it. 49k accounts have not bothered complaining on the forums, so i assume that these people fully support the way EVE ONLINE is going. Keep up the good work! Dont stand down! guess you really havemt got a clue
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.29 09:01:00 - [17] Originally by: Crispin McTarmac Apart from quite a panicky blog post from eve's content director and the community's voted representatives being flown to iceland at a couple of days notice you mean? That has more to do with the reaction to CCP's plans than with the testing procedures and the way they pushed out a patch that was full of critical bugs that had been known, reported, and repeated on the test forums for monthsà àso yes, it's an issue apart. Then again, you could be right. After all, the first round of response from CCP had confused the two as well, so it could very well be that they're carting the CSM over there to discuss something completely different than what the rage is all about. That would not really be a positive thing though. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.06.29 09:03:00 - [18] Originally by: Imok Aishai Edited by: Imok Aishai on 29/06/2011 08:52:10 Agreed. It's just very angry minority that's raging on forums and they shouldn't be allowed to stop eve from moving forward just because they don't like something CCP is doing. I am also willing to bet majority of these who "cancel" their subscription will renew it soon after it run out and it looks like they are still actively reading and posting on these forums, so I suspect they aren't even planning to "quit" at all. Majority doesn't even read forums, most ppl who are less passionate about the game simply quit if not satisfied with something. Besides that, plz explain how MT crap is "moving Eve forward"?
Captain Travaras Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.29 09:08:00 - [19] Originally by: ScreenWipe 49k accounts have not bothered complaining on the forums, so i assume that these people fully support the way EVE ONLINE is going. i hope this bit is a joke. People from the game who havent come on to the forum to complain cannot all be labeled as supporters of CCP. There are thousands who use other forums to voice their opinions and anger, many who discuss it ingame and refrain from forums, and probably many who are unaware of exactly what is happening. Yes, im sure there are many who are happy with the updates and the new direction, but im sure there is a large amount who are not, and although they may have not posted to state that fact, it doesnt label them as happy in my book. Quote: Greed is good, didnt you get the memo?
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in	Posted - 2011.06.29 09:08:00 - [20] Originally by: ScreenWipe 49k accounts have not bothered complaining on the forums, so i assume that these people fully support the way EVE ONLINE is going. While we're assuming random things, pray pardon me for assuming you're wrong on that account.

Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.06.29 09:12:00 - [21] Edited by: Tippia on 29/06/2011 09:13:08 Originally by: Smagd Originally by: ScreenWipe 49k accounts have not bothered complaining on the forums, so i assume that these people fully support the way EVE ONLINE is going. While we're assuming random things, pray pardon me for assuming you're wrong on that account. Nah. Assume he's right instead ù it's much more fun that way. 49k out of 350k accounts have not bothered complaining. The only way to know a negative (e.g. they have not complained) is to test everything else and have it come out as positive. This means that some 300k+ accounts have indeed complained. And yet, it has mostly been contained in a few threadnoughts and the odd single-issue thread here and there. So not only is he claiming that the vast majority agree that CCP has done something wrong, but he's also implicitly saying that this majority is far more well-behaved than the ones who mass-spam threads to complain about this majority. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Imok Aishai	Posted - 2011.06.29 09:14:00 - [22] Originally by: Ayame Yubari "Don't stand down"? I'm baffled by some comments lately. How could you stand on CCP's side after what happened these past days? Or worse, even cheer them on to continue down this anti-customer path? Do you genuinely want micro-transactions for none-vanity items? If you don't, did you not understand what it is all about? Or are you just trolling to feel important? Are you just feelling all manly that such a thing can't possibly bother you? I really want to know. I'm a very new player, so no bitter vet at all. But it took me all of 10 minutes to realize that all the outrage is very understandable and should be supported (which I did). There is already micro-transactions for none-vanity items and has been for very long time. I will let you figure out that yourself Also everything you buy with AUR you can get with ISK. You don't have to spend single cent on these vanity items and still get them if you choose to spend ISK to buy PLEX which you convert to AUR.
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.06.29 09:19:00 - [23] Originally by: Imok Aishai Originally by: Ayame Yubari "Don't stand down"? I'm baffled by some comments lately. How could you stand on CCP's side after what happened these past days? Or worse, even cheer them on to continue down this anti-customer path? Do you genuinely want micro-transactions for none-vanity items? If you don't, did you not understand what it is all about? Or are you just trolling to feel important? Are you just feelling all manly that such a thing can't possibly bother you? I really want to know. I'm a very new player, so no bitter vet at all. But it took me all of 10 minutes to realize that all the outrage is very understandable and should be supported (which I did). There is already micro-transactions for none-vanity items and has been for very long time. I will let you figure out that yourself Also everything you buy with AUR you can get with ISK. You don't have to spend single cent on these vanity items and still get them if you choose to spend ISK to buy PLEX which you convert to AUR. And who said PLEX was good? It was a least of two evils, either PLEX or e-bay. Besides that, PLEX still works through game economy, AUR can completely bypass it and spawn endless stuff out of nowhere.
Caviar Liberta Gallente Moira.	Posted - 2011.06.29 09:20:00 - [24] I looked at the CQ on the test server I knew it would be slow on my machine. I looked at the NEX store once and rolled my eyes. Then I pushed and poked my dinosaur of a machine to try CQ after it went live and then disabled it. So what did Incarna do for me? 1. Confirmed I need I to build a new machine 2. That I need to keep CQ disabled till step 1 is complete 3. Reminded me of why I play, that being I fly a ship and not a Sim in space. So pretty much Incarna hasn't effected how I play eve other than disabling the stations enviroment for the time being. Nothing is more certain than the indispensable necessity of government, and it is equally undeniable, that whenever and however it is instituted, the people must cede to it some of their natural right
Imok Aishai	Posted - 2011.06.29 09:20:00 - [25] Originally by: Estephania Originally by: Imok Aishai Originally by: Ayame Yubari "Don't stand down"? I'm baffled by some comments lately. How could you stand on CCP's side after what happened these past days? Or worse, even cheer them on to continue down this anti-customer path? Do you genuinely want micro-transactions for none-vanity items? If you don't, did you not understand what it is all about? Or are you just trolling to feel important? Are you just feelling all manly that such a thing can't possibly bother you? I really want to know. I'm a very new player, so no bitter vet at all. But it took me all of 10 minutes to realize that all the outrage is very understandable and should be supported (which I did). There is already micro-transactions for none-vanity items and has been for very long time. I will let you figure out that yourself Also everything you buy with AUR you can get with ISK. You don't have to spend single cent on these vanity items and still get them if you choose to spend ISK to buy PLEX which you convert to AUR. And who said PLEX was good? It was a least of two evils, either PLEX or e-bay. Besides that, PLEX still works through game economy, AUR can completely bypass it and spawn endless stuff out of nowhere. You do realize CCP is spawning stuff out of nowhere even before these vanity items? Game simply wouldn't work if they stopped spawning stuff out of nowhere.
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.06.29 09:22:00 - [26] Does screen mean arse in another language? Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in	Posted - 2011.06.29 09:24:00 - [27] Edited by: Smagd on 29/06/2011 09:24:30 Originally by: Caviar Liberta So pretty much Incarna hasn't YET effected how I play eve other than disabling the stations enviroment for the time being. Let me fix that for you. I mean, the whole point of MT is to satin-tongue the likes of you into paying more real money to have more fun in the game. Now if CCP had any recent history of getting the "have more fun" part right, there'd probably be a little less rage. Or if they'd have any recent history of getting the "satin-tongue" part right.
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.06.29 09:30:00 - [28] Originally by: Imok Aishai You do realize CCP is spawning stuff out of nowhere even before these vanity items? Game simply wouldn't work if they stopped spawning stuff out of nowhere. Yes, I'm aware that self regulating, fully functional model of universe cannot be created by CCP or any other company. However, CCP have created something called sandbox and regulate EVE universe by changing certain parameters, like loot drop tables, roids spawn rates, etc. All of this still allows the sandbox to function, hoever, directly spawning stuff, bypassing all those mechanisms destroys the sandbox and turns Eve into a scripted MMO, like WoW.
Ayame Yubari	Posted - 2011.06.29 09:35:00 - [29] Originally by: Imok Aishai There is already micro-transactions for none-vanity items and has been for very long time. I will let you figure out that yourself Also everything you buy with AUR you can get with ISK. You don't have to spend single cent on these vanity items and still get them if you choose to spend ISK to buy PLEX which you convert to AUR. Right. Then it took me another 5 minutes to realise what you apparently haven't. Or maybe you've read it already (it's all over the forum) so you either just refuse to acknowledge it or really don't understand it. The difference is the thin-air that these items are spawned out of, completely circumventing the player economy. Do you not see the "tiny" issue with that?
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in	Posted - 2011.06.29 09:38:00 - [30] You can also already buy 100m SP characters for ISK. Wouldn't you think there's a difference if these were created by CCP directly out of thin air?

Imok Aishai	Posted - 2011.06.29 09:42:00 - [31] Originally by: Estephania Originally by: Imok Aishai You do realize CCP is spawning stuff out of nowhere even before these vanity items? Game simply wouldn't work if they stopped spawning stuff out of nowhere. Yes, I'm aware that self regulating, fully functional model of universe cannot be created by CCP or any other company. However, CCP have created something called sandbox and regulate EVE universe by changing certain parameters, like loot drop tables, roids spawn rates, etc. All of this still allows the sandbox to function, hoever, directly spawning stuff, bypassing all those mechanisms destroys the sandbox and turns Eve into a scripted MMO, like WoW. Destroy the sandbox and turns EvE into a scripted MMO, like .... WoW? ... laughs No.
Ciar Meara Amarr Virtus Vindice	Posted - 2011.06.29 09:44:00 - [32] CCP are not standing tall, they are cowering in Iceland. Or perhaps you have heared from them? CCP tears = Good Tears (for the moment) - Hilmar getur ekki tala= vi= ¦ig n·na, hann er a= fara ß japanska Tfskuverslun.
Brys Bennedict	Posted - 2011.06.29 09:45:00 - [33] Hmmm, thread knocking "rage quitters"....2 pages. Thread about why people are ****ed off and threatening to leave the game......80+ pages. Me thinks if anyone is in the minority it'd be the OP and those like them who started this thread.
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2011.06.29 09:56:00 - [34] Originally by: Imok Aishai Originally by: Estephania Originally by: Imok Aishai You do realize CCP is spawning stuff out of nowhere even before these vanity items? Game simply wouldn't work if they stopped spawning stuff out of nowhere. Yes, I'm aware that self regulating, fully functional model of universe cannot be created by CCP or any other company. However, CCP have created something called sandbox and regulate EVE universe by changing certain parameters, like loot drop tables, roids spawn rates, etc. All of this still allows the sandbox to function, hoever, directly spawning stuff, bypassing all those mechanisms destroys the sandbox and turns Eve into a scripted MMO, like WoW. Destroy the sandbox and turns EvE into a scripted MMO, like .... WoW? ... laughs No. Actually, YES. In Eve to get somewhere you had to invest time and effort. With PLEX, you could circumvent it by making someone else investing time and effort. With AUR no one has to invest time or effort, everything is delivered as long as you sweep the credit card. You can create a toon, buy ****loads of SP, buy several premium ships, and that's it - like you've played the game for years, and notice - no one had to level up the toon for you, no one had to build those ships and modules.
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.06.29 09:59:00 - [35] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Originally by: Imok Aishai Agreed. It's just very angry minority that's raging on forums and they shouldn't be allowed to stop eve from moving forward just because they don't like something CCP is doing. I am also willing to bet majority of these who "cancel" their subscription will renew it soon after it run out and it looks like they are still actively reading and posting on these forums. Please do not presume to indicate what I am contemplating, I can see you were not born into a higher class family and I forgive you for that. You know, troll factor aside, you looked much better without that monocle on your face - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - EVE: TESTING GROUNDS FOR WoD & DUST SINCE 2011
Demure Guise	Posted - 2011.06.29 10:11:00 - [36] Edited by: Demure Guise on 29/06/2011 10:12:46 Originally by: ScreenWipe 6k rage nerds decide to quit, they were given ample opportunity to log on to singularity to test out Incarna... Sorry to rain on your parade, but neither Incarna or the vanity items are what people are raging about. Nope, not at all. I have no problem whatsoever if ÇÇP sell 100,000 Lol-Monocles to gullible people, if said people are THAT desperate for a status symbol. Personally, though I have ample disposable income at my age with which to indulge myself, I'm not desperate for status symbols. Frankly, ÇÇP could do with the money, which is why the poor buggers are resorting to selling virtual items at a cost equal to, or even higher than, their real-life counterparts. To sum up... Incarna? Fine by me. I'm looking forward to the odd walk around a Station! Vanity Items? Buy as many as you wish because it doesn't harm me one way or the other. That pretty much makes your post a complete waste of your, and our, time. Have a closer look, do some reading on the forum, maybe a bit of trawling through the leaked newsletter and the rather... eccentric? hopelessly out of touch?... Blogs ÇÇP released. Eventually you'll work the real issue out.
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.06.29 10:13:00 - [37] If no ground is given by CCP then honestly it doesn't bode well for EVE or CCP :(
Gallente Nundinae	Posted - 2011.06.29 10:17:00 - [38] Pretty funny topic... exactly when have CCP not done exactly what they wanted anyway... did you not read the email form Hilmar. They pretty much always do what they think is best regardless... I think MT for advantages is just the start.. no doubt they will raise subs etc... and you know that all they money is going a) into WoD or Dust b) into EVE "cough" "cough", practice runs for software in WoD & Dust... I'm not rage quitting or any of that *****hit but you can't deny the lack of quality in the more recent updates in terms of improving gameplay especially as it is a more expensive sub than most.
Oosel The Nightwatch Night Coven	Posted - 2011.06.29 10:21:00 - [39] i'd love to know how many people who play the game actually read the forums or comprehend last weeks events. i was chatting to one guy last night who didnt even know what a CSM was....how many player will just not bother with stations or mt and will just carry on with their internet spaceship mining/pew pewing and other assorted fun things... it reminds me of the diffrence between high sec and low sec and how low sec people cannot understand how people can be happy in high sec just pottering about doing their own thing with some having never even shot at another player. for people who have invested a lot of time and effort i can see it must be a worrying time
Ivorian	Posted - 2011.06.29 10:29:00 - [40] Originally by: Imok Aishai There is already micro-transactions for none-vanity items and has been for very long time. I will let you figure out that yourself Also everything you buy with AUR you can get with ISK. You don't have to spend single cent on these vanity items and still get them if you choose to spend ISK to buy PLEX which you convert to AUR. Ok, so its the same for, if you buy a Titan from a Corp that had to build it versus paying 100$ and just having a Titan anywhere poping out of nowhere? Cool. We will see how long this will go well.

Amberlamps	Posted - 2011.06.29 10:36:00 - [41] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: ScreenWipe they were given ample opportunity to log on to singularity to test out Incarna before it was released Funnily enough, that's not what the rage is about, so no amount of testing would have solved that. Moreoverà Quote: and make their voices heard, they chose not to. àeven funnier, those of us who did log in can't help noticing that choosing to make our voices heard has had no effect. No voice could be raised about the things people are raging about. The things people made their voices heard about were not addressed. So what was your point again? Their point was that they had completely no understanding of the situation and wish to be enlightened.
ACY GTMI Veerhouven Group The Veerhouven Group	Posted - 2011.06.29 10:49:00 - [42] Edited by: ACY GTMI on 29/06/2011 10:49:31 Why would I care about anything on the Test Server? I pay to play Eve, not Test Server. Also, if I'm not mistaken, things that are tried on the test server, and things that happen there, may never see the light of day anywhere else. Edit: And some never should see the light of day. Hint hint.


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