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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2012.09.18 07:24:00 -
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Pretty nice bookend to this podcast on Lost in EVE also feat. Hans and Seleene but more an interview format by Jade
"Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á
-Arydanika, Voices from the Void
CSM7 rep, CSM 4 vet
Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1194
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Posted - 2012.09.18 19:18:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Pretty nice bookend to this podcast on Lost in EVE also feat. Hans and Seleene but more an interview format by Jade
Is Ripard on this podcast too?
Caldari Militia |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
667
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Posted - 2012.09.18 19:36:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Pretty nice bookend to this podcast on Lost in EVE also feat. Hans and Seleene but more an interview format by Jade Is Ripard on this podcast too?
Nope ^^ #exclusive
"Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á
-Arydanika, Voices from the Void
CSM7 rep, CSM 4 vet
Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Poetic Stanziel
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Posted - 2012.09.18 19:59:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Pretty nice bookend to this podcast on Lost in EVE also feat. Hans and Seleene but more an interview format by Jade Is Ripard on this podcast too? Nope ^^ #exclusive
Then why would you categorize it as a bookend to your podcast?
Caldari Militia |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
667
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Posted - 2012.09.18 20:02:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Pretty nice bookend to this podcast on Lost in EVE also feat. Hans and Seleene but more an interview format by Jade Is Ripard on this podcast too? Nope ^^ #exclusive Then why would you categorize it as a bookend to your podcast?
Because it was after a meeting with CCP which OK'd the release of a few more details about some stuff and because Hans and Seleene talk with incredible frankness about the current activity of particular CSMs which were both touched on in the DoW episode with Ripard.
Or you could listen to it.
"Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á
-Arydanika, Voices from the Void
CSM7 rep, CSM 4 vet
Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Poetic Stanziel
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Posted - 2012.09.18 20:42:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Pretty nice bookend to this podcast on Lost in EVE also feat. Hans and Seleene but more an interview format by Jade Is Ripard on this podcast too? Nope ^^ #exclusive Then why would you categorize it as a bookend to your podcast? Because it was after a meeting with CCP which OK'd the release of a few more details about some stuff and because Hans and Seleene talk with incredible frankness about the current activity of particular CSMs which were both touched on in the DoW episode with Ripard. Or you could listen to it. That podcast is 4 hours 30 minutes long. Give us a timestamp so we don't have to listen to the whole damned thing. Lost in EVE is too ridiculously long to bother with otherwise.
Caldari Militia |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
477
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Posted - 2012.09.18 20:48:00 -
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Alternately, you could give it to the playerbase in text form, or does the idea of players being informed without listening to at least 2 of you verbally jerk off all over each other for a while make you uncomfortable? |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1194
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Posted - 2012.09.18 20:50:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Hans and Seleene talk with incredible frankness about the current activity of particular CSMs. I am looking forward to learning what your definition of "incredible frankness" is.
Caldari Militia |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
667
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Posted - 2012.09.18 20:50:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:That podcast is 4 hours 30 minutes long. Give us a timestamp so we don't have to listen to the whole damned thing. Lost in EVE is too ridiculously long to bother with otherwise.
CSM portion starts at 28min and goes still 1h49
EDIT: man Poetic is gonna literally parse me on this. Can i downgrade to simply "credible" frankness?
"Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á
-Arydanika, Voices from the Void
CSM7 rep, CSM 4 vet
Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
477
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Posted - 2012.09.18 20:58:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:CSM portion starts at 28min and goes still 1h49
EDIT: man Poetic is gonna literally parse me on this. Can i downgrade to simply "credible" frankness?
How about we settle for "give us a ******* transcript so we can judge for ourselves without having to listen to an hour's worth of podcast we clearly don't give a **** about". I mean don't you guys have a ******* secretary and everything for this? |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1195
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Posted - 2012.09.18 21:31:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:EDIT: man Poetic is gonna literally parse me on this. Can i downgrade to simply "credible" frankness? Of course. Beware your hyperbole.
And listened. Not particularly frank at all. "People, some CSMers don't do jack ****." The only names mentioned are the EASY ones, Issler and Darius.
If you want to be incredibly frank, then start throwing some of these jackasses under the bus. These people will likely run next year. Start burning their bridge now.
EDIT #1: Just wait ... 1:11:26, one of the hosts asks the CSMers how they feel each and every CSM member, by name, is performing ... will this be the "incredible frankness" ...
EDIT #2: Hans starts gagging on his own vomit, the thought of saying anything potentially bad about anyone making him physically and violently ill. Incredible frankness might not be in the cards, unless Hans can grow some *********.
EDIT #3: The lame-ass hosts help to deflect the original question so that speaking function can return to Hans and Seleene. Oh, one sec, looks like that might be returning to the individual candidates again.
EDIT #4: Nope ... hosts are making it easy on them again. They get to just state a number. No names.
EDIT #5: Turns out to be the disappointment I expected it to be.
Caldari Militia |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
477
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Posted - 2012.09.18 21:46:00 -
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I love how their "new information" and "incredible frankness" is still just them talking about themselves. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
742
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:43:00 -
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No one enjoyed the interview with mactep as well?
And yes that was incredibly long, I never knew the full length when I listened to it all, wow. Thank god I was set up for AFKing missions.
Poetic and snow Axe, should do their own podcast, so they can ask questions they are interested in. (Would say contact the podcast people beforehand, but it seems like its a surprise who is coming on a podcast, so be hard to)
I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
1984
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:44:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:EDIT: man Poetic is gonna literally parse me on this. Can i downgrade to simply "credible" frankness? Of course. Beware your hyperbole. And listened. Not particularly frank at all. "People, some CSMers don't do jack ****." The only names mentioned are the EASY ones, Issler and Darius. If you want to be incredibly frank, then start throwing some of these jackasses under the bus. These people will likely run next year. Start burning their bridge now.EDIT #1: Just wait ... 1:11:26, one of the hosts asks the CSMers how they feel each and every CSM member, by name, is performing ... will this be the "incredible frankness"? EDIT #2: Hans starts gagging on his own vomit, the thought of saying anything potentially bad about anyone making him physically and violently ill. Incredible frankness might not be in the cards, unless Hans can grow some *********. EDIT #3: The lame-ass hosts help to deflect the original question so that speaking function can return to Hans and Seleene. Oh, one sec, looks like the hosts might be returning to the individual candidates question again. EDIT #4: Nope ... hosts are making it easy on them again. They get to just state a number. No names. EDIT #5: Turns out to be the disappointment I expected it to be. They do get to commenting about individual members. Whenever Hans or Seleene have to pause silently for three to five seconds while considering a member, you know right there that member should not be back on CSM8.
Poe, you have already done a fairly decent job of breaking this information down on your own: LINKAGE
Why are you so angry / whatever that you want to see sitting CSM members start "throwing people under the bus"? Why do I need to be an ******* to real life people to answer a question you already effectively know the answer to? I'll gladly speak out against someone if they are working to intentionally cause problems within the CSM, otherwise I think it's pretty apparent who is on or under the bus and the community can call it as they see it. If it's blood you want, if you want me to start calling people names like "jackass", look elsewhere, I'm not your man.
CSM 7 Chairman
My Blog - Where I say stuff
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Poetic Stanziel
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I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:59:00 -
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Seleene wrote:Why are you so angry / whatever that you want to see sitting CSM members start "throwing people under the bus"? Why do I need to be an ******* to real life people to answer a question you already effectively know the answer to? ... Otherwise I think it's pretty apparent who is on or under the bus and the community can call it as they see it. I know the six people.
But I pay attention. Come election time, people are going to need guidance, from those with first-hand knowledge, who to re-elect and who should not be re-elected. I don't want to see any of these particular asshats back on CSM8.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
1984
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:05:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Seleene wrote:Why are you so angry / whatever that you want to see sitting CSM members start "throwing people under the bus"? Why do I need to be an ******* to real life people to answer a question you already effectively know the answer to? ... Otherwise I think it's pretty apparent who is on or under the bus and the community can call it as they see it. I know the six people. But I pay attention. Come election time, people are going to need guidance, from those with first-hand knowledge, who to re-elect and who should not be re-elected. I don't want to see any of these particular asshats back on CSM8.
Then rest assured, when and if those people try to run for re-election, I will call it as I see it. As it stands now, we are right around halfway through our term and I'm not going to publicly hamstring anyone (except for D3 who is infamous for being useless). It's entirely possible that some of these folks might still be useful. v0v
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Poetic Stanziel
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:08:00 -
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Seleene wrote:Then rest assured, when and if those people try to run for re-election, I will call it as I see it. As it stands now, it's entirely possible that some of these folks might still be useful. Fair enough. I shall hold you to that, Mr. Optimist. 
Caldari Militia |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1198
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Posted - 2012.09.19 02:59:00 -
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I keep forgetting. I have a beef with your Poetic shout-out. I can't stand your Tik-Tok parody. Don't associate me with liking that song.
I'm all about the Pandemic Phone, which is one of your songs. That song is damned fantastic. I wish you would have got it right. Tik-Tok needs less shout-outs, Pandemic Phone needs more shout-outs.
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Poetic Stanziel
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I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:15:00 -
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Cyanide and Happiness are always so topical.
I think this comic sums up quite nicely my feelings on this two-hour podcast.
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Dystopia Arkaral
test and tag
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:41:00 -
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not going to thread jack posted in sticky instead |
Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.20 06:10:00 -
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All I have to say, Is that I was a bit disgusted by the CSM minutes awhile back, where this all came out in the open so far as I am aware. In-fighting in the CSM or any other Council is bound to end up nowhere good.
Generally speaking Poe, I haven't had any issue with your posts or blogs and I sort of understand where you're going with them. There is far too much willingness to point fingers, name names, and flog people around here though. Tensions are high enough by all appearances and I think a fair few misconceptions, (not uncommon in EVE), are flying around.
Sometimes it's easy to be misunderstood.
Clarify: For Seleene and Hans sake, I think the issue with not naming people is that it is inappropriate and damaging to publicly air other peoples laundry. There is also another thing to consider, in that the other members of the CSM are probably doing what they were asked, with exception to D3, who is also taking his own peculiar initiative that seems to indicate he isn't taking the CSM seriously at this time.
So the real issue is more likely that the CSM members are at odds with each other, to the extent where they can't work together effectively, and the at least subconsciously or silently acknowledge that while deflecting blame. That isn't going to solve any problems, but at least it isn't likely to create any more.
There is also no shame there. Not everybody gets along all the time, and some people are just naturally at odds with other people. Rubbed the wrong way, diametric opposition.. whatever. It's no surprise Issler doesn't speak much either, being representative of the industrial player-base. Remaining silent when your opinions are going to be confrontational to others isn't always a bad thing. Sometimes, it is the only thing you can do and still remain a part of the equation.
I've been there myself. Silently watching my corp mates increasing PvP activity beyond defensive PvP, to aggressive actions, and finally to the point of ganking people without regard or consideration. Simply because they were there. Obviously, I don't agree with it, but you can't demand people stop playing a game the way they want to play it. All you can do is limit your own participation to those activities which you don't disagree with.
Not quite the same as CSM, but it is still representative of social interaction with a group of people with whom you share common interests and goals. For a time at least. In the CSMs case, this common interest is the improvement of gameplay for all involved, and yet one persons idea of an improvement may not be the same as anothers, and so we have conflict.
For your part Poe, I believe you are trying to expose the conflict within the CSM because of your own interest in EVE and seeing it improve, and yet, you may not be doing anyone any favors in doing so. There is a delicate balance to the CSM for now, and this year has already seen its share of mishaps both within and around the CSM, and some tragedy too.
Tension is a potential breaking point. Don't be so eager to push the situation lest it reach the limitations of its design. I think you'll find that they, (the CSM), do well enough, and some things are better left unsaid, while laying the issue quietly to rest. Poke about as you will, but go easy on them.
The CSM are seeing increasing expectations on their time, and there is more than enough on their collective table without adding unnecessarily to that workload, or increasing the tension and conflict between them. People are sensitive enough as it is, and I feel there are some raw nerves around to be trod on.
Cheers,
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.09.21 01:34:00 -
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Haven't done much of anything Eve related for the past few months but I did listen to this podcast while working from home today.
Alekseyev , Seleene and Hans should be ashamed of this really. You guys came across extremely poorly - love him or hate him Jester was courteous, rational and made good sense while you CSM guys sounded arrogant, self-centered and pretty ignorant over some quite fundamental issues facing this game.
Talking about how you have no great crisis to handle when Winter's patch is shaping up to be a boring non-event that does little to re-ignite anyone's flagging interest is a sign of how out of touch you guys are.Alekseyev in particular seemed to be talking about a completely different game at times - and its a game that I personally have absolutely no interest in.
I haven't forgotten how poorly you guys handled the inferno war issue, or how dreadfully passive you were in the face of delayed and lackluster content delivery in the formal meetings.
While han's has a get-out that the winter might just improve FW.
Alekseyev's involvement in the poorly rationalized and now pretty much defunct wardec and merc marketplace nonsense should be the kiss of death of future candidacy on his behalf.
As for Seleene. I just don't believe you and I are seeing the same game any more. I don't know if it was your time as a developer during the 18 month slump that brain-washed you or simply that the perspective from the PL side of the fence is so far removed from the things I'd like to see from this game that never the twain shall meet. Any which way its disappointing to see the way you believe stakeholder status is your big issue while a 500 man gaming company is charging us full price subscriptions to rebalance a few ships and role back any substantive new content or critical revision of broken game systems for a minimum 6-12 month period.
Your "big issue" should be getting us a detailed breakdown of just how many developers and artists are still actually working on the game we pay a subscription for and why exactly its taking so long to recognize that people are getting exceptionally-bored with political stagnation spawned by unfinished content, uninspired revisions and general back of big-picture ballsy iteration to modernize and revitalize this nearly 10 year old game.
And back to the content of this thread specifically -
On evidence of the podcast referenced you gentlemen should probably hope that Ripard Teg doesn't decide to run for the next elections because he pretty much annihilated you three in the debate and showed you up as foot-stamping children. Next time you do one of these things be prepared to listen and spend more time addressing the critical issues facing this game rather than trying to defend your e-honor on the space airwaves.
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None ofthe Above
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Posted - 2012.09.21 02:20:00 -
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Epic Vulture wrote:Courthouse wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:But "First the voting reform thread now this" what does that even mean lol? It means the CSM is a sack of retards regurgitating the same crap to each other over and over in hopes that people will catch on and like you for it. You guys can talk about how hard it is being CSM or how you need to clearly define what the CSM ~is~ with CCP before anything can be done... Or you can admit that none of you can swing soft power for **** and you're being led around by a guy who made a career in and out of EVE being led around like a bottom ***** to his own detriment and the detriment of everyone around him. CCP's not the broken part of this scenario. The CSM is. And it's not an institutional problem, it's a problem with the people on it. Have you considered running for CSM?
I think he already is, or at least running a campaign for someone to step into later.
While I have significantly more respect for the current CSM than Mr Courthouse appears to, I think he has a point.
You guys seem to get in your own way a lot. I hear a lot "we shouldn't be...", "its not our job..."
Please get past that.
We need you to help CCP make the game better, and not misstep.
You need to spend less time calming people down when they are reacting to the trial balloons sent up by CCP. That is the time to get vocal and let CCP know its not a good idea. Not later when its already on the test servers... or worse on TQ. If you all come and say "well greyscale (or whomever) just said that as an offhand comment, it'll never really happen, stop being drama llamas", then CCP doesn't get to hear the reaction. Later on they do it, and wonder why people get so upset.
Bad trial balloons need to be shot down as quickly and permanently as possible.
I know it is great to get to know the devs and be all friends, but it is necessary for your function to be able to not only tell them when they are going astray, but be able to rally the troops when they aren't listening.
At least that's my personal perception of what the CSM could be... should be.
EVE is a sandbox; The only "end-game" content in EVE is the crap that makes you rage-quit.
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
755
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Posted - 2012.09.21 02:56:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote:Epic Vulture wrote:Courthouse wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:But "First the voting reform thread now this" what does that even mean lol? It means the CSM is a sack of retards regurgitating the same crap to each other over and over in hopes that people will catch on and like you for it. You guys can talk about how hard it is being CSM or how you need to clearly define what the CSM ~is~ with CCP before anything can be done... Or you can admit that none of you can swing soft power for **** and you're being led around by a guy who made a career in and out of EVE being led around like a bottom ***** to his own detriment and the detriment of everyone around him. CCP's not the broken part of this scenario. The CSM is. And it's not an institutional problem, it's a problem with the people on it. Have you considered running for CSM? I think he already is, or at least running a campaign for someone to step into later.
Huh, thanks for sparking the paranoia.
I don't know who the next big goon is in line, for the throne. Or if the goons have taken enough of a beating to try again or so. Or perhaps another candidate pretty much supports the goons thinking, so they en masse vote for him at least. But who knows, suppose the next race could be interesting at least.
I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
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