Show Notes:
-Ripard Teg talks about his start in EVE and as a blogger
-Discussion of the CSM6 election and the experience of being a candidate
-Fierce debate over the role of the CSM
-Alek reads controversial parts of RipardGÇÖs latest blog and **** gets real
-Real talk continues over Technetium alchemy and the accomplishments/shortcomings of CSM7

Enjoy!

anything related to eve gameplay other then the tech alchemy thing?

not really. On the question of tech though, I put a poll up whether you think Ripard's right and the tech alchemy made things worse than before or the CSM guys were right that it's not The Fix but at least a step in the right direction. Will be interesting to see the results.

Posting 2 public discussion threads about voting reform isn't much of a secret conspiracy...

Ya'll's dumb and I shut down the voting thing in like 3 posts. The rest were just me never stopping posting.

Starts a post with Ya'll's and calls other people dumb

Really sums it up doesn't it.

On the question of tech though, I put a poll up whether you think Ripard's right and the tech alchemy made things worse than before or the CSM guys were right that it's not The Fix but at least a step in the right direction. Will be interesting to see the results.

Nicely slanted poll.

Ripard didn't argue that it was worse or a step in the right direction. He argued that it wasn't a fix at all. It was a rollback. Yet, you didn't offer that as an option.

You're kind of directing people to the answer you want. Even Ripard would have to answer "step in the right direction", since he didn't feel it made things worse. He simply believes that it didn't do much of anything at all.

I'm pretty sure having, been there and listened to it after the fact, he said exactly the words the alchemy change made things worse.

Posting 2 public discussion threads about voting reform isn't much of a secret conspiracy...

I'm surprised you even posted the podcast. I'm guessing you saw it as a "CSM Victor!"?

You guys seriously came off as childish and petty and overly defensive throughout the podcast.

Everyone knows I'm not a Ripard fan at all ... yet, he comes out of this making the bunch of you look pretty foolish.

First the voting reform thread ... and now this.

Starts a post with Ya'll's and calls other people dumb

Really sums it up doesn't it.

But "First the voting reform thread now this" what does that even mean lol?

It means the CSM is a sack of retards regurgitating the same crap to each other over and over in hopes that people will catch on and like you for it. You guys can talk about how hard it is being CSM or how you need to clearly define what the CSM ~is~ with CCP before anything can be done...

Or you can admit that none of you can swing soft power for **** and you're being led around by a guy who made a career in and out of EVE being led around like a bottom ***** to his own detriment and the detriment of everyone around him.

CCP's not the broken part of this scenario. The CSM is. And it's not an institutional problem, it's a problem with the people on it.

So what kind of steps would be needed to address the issue, to avoid a repeat of events like we have just recently observed on these very forums, nay, this very thread ?

So what kind of steps would be needed to address the issue, to avoid a repeat of events like we have just recently observed on these very forums, nay, this very thread ?

It means the CSM is a sack of retards regurgitating the same crap to each other over and over in hopes that people will catch on and like you for it. You guys can talk about how hard it is being CSM or how you need to clearly define what the CSM ~is~ with CCP before anything can be done...

Or you can admit that none of you can swing soft power for **** and you're being led around by a guy who made a career in and out of EVE being led around like a bottom ***** to his own detriment and the detriment of everyone around him.

CCP's not the broken part of this scenario. The CSM is. And it's not an institutional problem, it's a problem with the people on it.

Have you considered running for CSM?

Uh oh. New voting reform proposal from CSM7 in 3 .. 2 .. 1.

Uh oh. New voting reform proposal from CSM7 in 3 .. 2 .. 1.

Irrelevant, remember?

Epic Vulture: it's been suggested more than once. Vile Rat was to be our candidate for CSM8 and as we're still coming to terms with what that means for us personally and organizationally, making concrete plans about elections to be held in another 6 or 7 months from now with the general level of paranoid schizophrenia coming out of this pack, it seems premature to stake a claim at this time.

I'm surprised you even posted the podcast. I'm guessing you saw it as a "CSM Victor!"?

You guys seriously came off as childish and petty and overly defensive throughout the podcast.

Everyone knows I'm not a Ripard fan at all ... yet, he comes out of this making the bunch of you look pretty foolish.

First the voting reform thread ... and now this.

Vile Rat said he was pretty worn out from CSM 6 and wasn't gonna run for CSM 7 because of that.

Was he feeling much better, or that he had enough time set aside to make a serious run?

Well its too bad, VR died, so we will never know his campaign strategy and what he hoped to do with it.

But at least mittens dreamed of getting more votes then just the goon ones. But I suppose we will never see Vile Rat try to do that .

So, I suppose you could argue no one but him ran, his campaign, but the paranoia runs on.

Pretty nice bookend to this podcast on Lost in EVE also feat. Hans and Seleene but more an interview format by Jade

Is Ripard on this podcast too?

Nope ^^ #exclusive

Then why would you categorize it as a bookend to your podcast?

Because it was after a meeting with CCP which OK'd the release of a few more details about some stuff and because Hans and Seleene talk with incredible frankness about the current activity of particular CSMs which were both touched on in the DoW episode with Ripard.

Or you could listen to it.

Hans and Seleene talk with incredible frankness about the current activity of particular CSMs.

That podcast is 4 hours 30 minutes long. Give us a timestamp so we don't have to listen to the whole damned thing. Lost in EVE is too ridiculously long to bother with otherwise.

CSM portion starts at 28min and goes still 1h49

EDIT: man Poetic is gonna literally parse me on this. Can i downgrade to simply "credible" frankness?

EDIT: man Poetic is gonna literally parse me on this. Can i downgrade to simply "credible" frankness?

Of course. Beware your hyperbole.

And listened. Not particularly frank at all. "People, some CSMers don't do jack ****." The only names mentioned are the EASY ones, Issler and Darius.

If you want to be incredibly frank, then start throwing some of these jackasses under the bus. These people will likely run next year. Start burning their bridge now.

EDIT #1: Just wait ... 1:11:26, one of the hosts asks the CSMers how they feel each and every CSM member, by name, is performing ... will this be the "incredible frankness"?

EDIT #2: Hans starts gagging on his own vomit, the thought of saying anything potentially bad about anyone making him physically and violently ill. Incredible frankness might not be in the cards, unless Hans can grow some *********.

EDIT #3: The lame-ass hosts help to deflect the original question so that speaking function can return to Hans and Seleene. Oh, one sec, looks like the hosts might be returning to the individual candidates question again.

EDIT #4: Nope ... hosts are making it easy on them again. They get to just state a number. No names.

EDIT #5: Turns out to be the disappointment I expected it to be. They do get to commenting about individual members. Whenever Hans or Seleene have to pause silently for three to five seconds while considering a member, you know right there that member should not be back on CSM8.

Why are you so angry / whatever that you want to see sitting CSM members start "throwing people under the bus"? Why do I need to be an ******* to real life people to answer a question you already effectively know the answer to? ... Otherwise I think it's pretty apparent who is on or under the bus and the community can call it as they see it.

I know the six people.

But I pay attention. Come election time, people are going to need guidance, from those with first-hand knowledge, who to re-elect and who should not be re-elected. I don't want to see any of these particular asshats back on CSM8.

Then rest assured, when and if those people try to run for re-election, I will call it as I see it. As it stands now, it's entirely possible that some of these folks might still be useful.

Hey CSM junkies, if you're looking for Declarations of War it can now be found on www.declarationsofwar.com

Have you considered running for CSM?

I think he already is, or at least running a campaign for someone to step into later.