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MorliDots22
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Posted - 2011.06.30 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: MorliDots22 on 30/06/2011 14:31:25 Dear CSM and CCP and coplayers,
Now you train about 2m SP in a month. That would be aquivalent to 1 PLEX aka 30 days game time. Why not sell those 2m SP instantly for 1 PLEX ? Whats the diffenrence about getting those SP instantly or in 1 month of waiting time ? The advantages are clear - you avoid "empty skill time" and can start instantly with PvP and other things.
Of course this will bring kind of non-equal between those who can afford to buy them and those who cannot. But let us be honest - in real life we have everywhere first and second class. If you fly by plane or take a train you can choose to pay about 50% more for comfort. A second class and first class will both achieve the "destination point" so there is no difference. A CCP company council knows that 80-90 % of playerbase are second class and 10-20 % first. Now we have no first class in EvE. So CCP cannot take profit of those who are willing to pay for this comfort. Economically it is not good for a company to waste possible profit and Im speaking of 20 % of playerbase who would eagerly pay for this feature.
I agree completely with the prohibition of special things like golden ammo and such because then the "destination point" of first and second class is not the same. But getting a month amount of SP for the price of 30 days of game time doesnt disbalance the game, it only brings comfort.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:08:00 -
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no. =========================
Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference
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Project 69
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:22:00 -
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here in eve we have no classes... we're all just biomass that wait to be blown up.
if you open this box, you will not only unleash the rage of the veterans, who had to wait all these years to reach this level but you will also create a society of super rich emo rage quitting children who do have 200billion isk and 150mil SP, but still have no idea how to fit or fly the super awesome faction fitted ship they just lost.
yeah, would be funny for a week, but then it just would be annoying.
SP isn't all in this game, focus your skillplan on exactly you want to do and you're a "pro" in 2-3 weeks
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:35:00 -
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no for SP purchases.
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MorliDots22
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Project 69 here in eve we have no classes... we're all just biomass that wait to be blown up.
if you open this box, you will not only unleash the rage of the veterans, who had to wait all these years to reach this level but you will also create a society of super rich emo rage quitting children who do have 200billion isk and 150mil SP, but still have no idea how to fit or fly the super awesome faction fitted ship they just lost.
yeah, would be funny for a week, but then it just would be annoying.
SP isn't all in this game, focus your skillplan on exactly you want to do and you're a "pro" in 2-3 weeks
Im playing since february and the most time I cant do things Id like to do. For example PvP, I could of course fly in a t1 frigate as a tackler but what happens when I get podded and loose my +5 set? So I need jumpclones. To get those I need faction standing. To get those I need grind missions. I reached lvl 4 missions now but cannot fly them without frustration because my ship is too slow and the laser range is too low. In "worlds collide" it takes me 7 minutes to fly to the pirates, they are about 150km away Im in a apoc all 4med slots full with cap rechargers. So dont tell me you can get what you want in 3 weeks. Buying Chars in Character Bazaar is not the same because it is not my character. I simply want skill faster and ready to pay a regular price aka 1 PLEX for 2m SP.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.06.30 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: MorliDots22
Im playing since february and the most time I cant do things Id like to do. For example PvP, I could of course fly in a t1 frigate as a tackler but what happens when I get podded and loose my +5 set?
WTF are you flying with 500mil worth of implants in PVP for?!
Originally by: MorliDots22
So I need jumpclones.
OK, that'll help.
Originally by: MorliDots22
To get those I need faction standing. To get those I need grind missions.
No, you only need standing with a CORPORATION. (Try the Navy, or Amarrian equivalent since the navies have stations all over the place). Alternatively, get into a player corp that offers jumpclone services (either they have the standings, or a Rorqual or something).
Once you install JC's, the standings don't matter so much anymore.
Originally by: MorliDots22
I reached lvl 4 missions now but cannot fly them without frustration because my ship is too slow and the laser range is too low. In "worlds collide" it takes me 7 minutes to fly to the pirates, they are about 150km away Im in a apoc all 4med slots full with cap rechargers.
Use the "long range" ammo (radio?) and shoot *at* the rats to get aggro... they'll start flying to you (even if you don't hit them).
Originally by: MorliDots22
So dont tell me you can get what you want in 3 weeks. Buying Chars in Character Bazaar is not the same because it is not my character. I simply want skill faster and ready to pay a regular price aka 1 PLEX for 2m SP.
See, you're biting off far more than you can chew. Getting to where you might want to be at is supposed to take time.
Yes, +5 implants are nice. Yes, jumpclones are nice. Yes, it's annoying to get corp standings to +8.0
No, you shouldn't get SP for a PLEX No, you don't need faction standings to get JC's No, you should never ever (EVER) be using +5 implants in PvP
Yes, you should learn how to disengage if things start going poorly.
Let's just say they put that in, OK... so you buy your 2m SP with a PLEX... you win a fight or two against me. I sink 1.2ish bil into PLEX and get myself 8m SP while "refitting" for our next fight.
Result -- immense tears from you that buying SP for PLEX isn't fair. =========================
Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.30 16:27:00 -
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no to purchasing sp at all ever.
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MorliDots22
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: MorliDots22 on 30/06/2011 17:18:18
Originally by: Velicitia
Originally by: MorliDots22
Im playing since february and the most time I cant do things Id like to do. For example PvP, I could of course fly in a t1 frigate as a tackler but what happens when I get podded and loose my +5 set?
WTF are you flying with 500mil worth of implants in PVP for?!
Originally by: MorliDots22
So I need jumpclones.
OK, that'll help.
Originally by: MorliDots22
To get those I need faction standing. To get those I need grind missions.
No, you only need standing with a CORPORATION. (Try the Navy, or Amarrian equivalent since the navies have stations all over the place). Alternatively, get into a player corp that offers jumpclone services (either they have the standings, or a Rorqual or something).
Once you install JC's, the standings don't matter so much anymore.
Originally by: MorliDots22
I reached lvl 4 missions now but cannot fly them without frustration because my ship is too slow and the laser range is too low. In "worlds collide" it takes me 7 minutes to fly to the pirates, they are about 150km away Im in a apoc all 4med slots full with cap rechargers.
Use the "long range" ammo (radio?) and shoot *at* the rats to get aggro... they'll start flying to you (even if you don't hit them).
Originally by: MorliDots22
So dont tell me you can get what you want in 3 weeks. Buying Chars in Character Bazaar is not the same because it is not my character. I simply want skill faster and ready to pay a regular price aka 1 PLEX for 2m SP.
See, you're biting off far more than you can chew. Getting to where you might want to be at is supposed to take time.
Yes, +5 implants are nice. Yes, jumpclones are nice. Yes, it's annoying to get corp standings to +8.0
No, you shouldn't get SP for a PLEX No, you don't need faction standings to get JC's No, you should never ever (EVER) be using +5 implants in PvP
Yes, you should learn how to disengage if things start going poorly.
Let's just say they put that in, OK... so you buy your 2m SP with a PLEX... you win a fight or two against me. I sink 1.2ish bil into PLEX and get myself 8m SP while "refitting" for our next fight.
Result -- immense tears from you that buying SP for PLEX isn't fair.
No I would not be angry or think its unfair. In fact it more fair than it is now. Now I cannot reach the SP amount of those who play since beta. And I can afford to buy PLEX so if you want to charge me , charge me.
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Naomi Knight
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:08:00 -
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sp for isk is so stupid idea ... actually it is the stupidest idea so far
--monocle for president
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: MorliDots22 stuff
this game is meant to take time. If you want endgame in 2 weeks...
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WOW is that way ----> =========================
Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference
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ninjaholic
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: MorliDots22 Dear CSM and CCP and coplayers,
Hi thar.
Originally by: MorliDots22 Now you train about 2m SP in a month. That would be aquivalent to 1 PLEX aka 30 days game time. Why not sell those 2m SP instantly for 1 PLEX ? Whats the diffenrence about getting those SP instantly or in 1 month of waiting time ? The advantages are clear - you avoid "empty skill time" and can start instantly with PvP and other things.
This still can vary wildly. A month is a long time. From around the lowest rate of about 1,800 sp/hr * 720 hrs in a 30-day month period (equivalent to a PLEX) for a character without a remap or optimized attributes results in 1,296,000 skillpoints.
At around the higher more commonplace tier with +4 implants (some with +5 but let's be realistic, most people use +4's) & optimized attribute remaps they learn about 2,610 sp/hr which results in 1,879,200 skillpoints over the same 30-day period. Leaving an indiscrepancy of over 580,000 skillpoints. To the people at the lower rate of learning that's 13.5 days of learning time. To the people at the higher tier, that's still 9 days 6 hours of training time difference.
Originally by: MorliDots22 Of course this will bring kind of non-equal between those who can afford to buy them and those who cannot.
Which is exactly what people wish to avoid. It would devalue everything in eve that has already taken people time to acquire. For example it's taken me 5 years to learn to fly every single race ship up to Battleship, & specialize in all the guns. 5 years, ten months to be exact. That's not just equivalent to PLEX time per 30-days. With your system I could just buy that in one day. But would I value it as much as I do now? No, the character I own would be a throw-away, replaceable in one day & a wad of real life cash. If I were to get banned, I'd just be able to start back where I was. With PLEX too. That someone else paid real cash for since I've been paying with ISK for years now.
Originally by: MorliDots22 But let us be honest - in real life we have everywhere first and second class. If you fly by plane or take a train you can choose to pay about 50% more for comfort. A second class and first class will both achieve the "destination point" so there is no difference. A CCP company council knows that 80-90 % of playerbase are second class and 10-20 % first. Now we have no first class in EvE. So CCP cannot take profit of those who are willing to pay for this comfort. Economically it is not good for a company to waste possible profit and Im speaking of 20 % of playerbase who would eagerly pay for this feature.
I agree completely with the prohibition of special things like golden ammo and such because then the "destination point" of first and second class is not the same. But getting a month amount of SP for the price of 30 days of game time doesnt disbalance the game, it only brings comfort.
The difference is that these players would've have spent years 'catching-up' with the long-term vets, waiting for skills to complete. They would just join without any of what money can't buy. Time spent, & experience. Actual experience training skills, meticulously planning & those days when getting up in the middle of the night to set a skill at 4am when they're working at 8am like we did. That stuff makes you value that character & the work you put into it. Also, you could just start a character for titan flight. Bam. Instant injection of thousands of $ into CCP's pocket & instant all 4 races titan pilot. Why would you want that. Why would ANYONE what that?
Oh I know, someone who's new, who already has no time spent in-game wants to just skip the next 4 years of hard work.
I bet these people cheat in single-player games & play them on easy.
Just no.
+ Support EVE's own IN-GAME fight record tool!
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MorliDots22
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Velicitia
Originally by: MorliDots22 stuff
this game is meant to take time. If you want endgame in 2 weeks...
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WOW is that way ---->
for you, but for me. If I see the possibility to get something instantly I take it. Why I should skill one year if CCP implements my idea. Also its better to skill your own chars and not to buy alien.
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lordlulzs
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:21:00 -
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Just relax guys, CCP and CSM want eve to always blow and be unpopular let them. (It is clearly obvious)
They want the game to suck and be unpopular so they can then justify their statements about niche's and just being different.
I am sure they will have their delusions protecting ego's while eve dies more and more.
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MorliDots22
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:51:00 -
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Let's look at the situation through "positive attitude": What is a MT in the "demographic" mean?
This is a "social" layer of players who are so spoiled in the real world, they spend real money on any garbage in the virtual. This is not good? Maybe not right (especially when it gives the donators Advantages in game). Ie There are hundreds of players who are bad guys that have spent and will spend the bucks ... used because they spend having fun.
How behave CCP in this situation?
Can be dealt with or given. But can it be eradicated ? That means money in the hands of bad guys swim to other bad guys - RMTsellers that sell suits, earned by farming, Boating, "Taxes", moons, etc. And what to do CCP? It creates conditions for donators to pour their money into CCP directly, because: - CCP can sell them cheaper suits (in principle, yes, can arrange this) - CCP can sell their claims safer (through secure and "righteous" / formal tools) - CCP can sell their claims with less hassle (no bent tricks associated with the fear of ebay be banned) - CCP can offer for these bucks more and unique products (monocles / thongs, and maybe even a personal emblem on the tongue (well, maybe in the future it will also become available)
You can of course greatly wonder how it will affect the gameplay simple Pilots (may affect .. maybe not .. Maybe the game will unorganized mass-dude Titans? Yeah, maybe it's not good ... And you may receive an unorganized mass of reindeer machariels ? Yeah, and it may even be fun .. Some Frozen corpse will now be a monocle? Oh, what to do with them ...: facepalm:)
Duc, can cause the other? Let's answer honestly, who's suffered from the fact that CCP creates the conditions for a simple and angry putting bucks of donators in CCP pockets for those who are too tight? With whom CCP start to compete for the bucks of crazy rich players? Which, of course, "was, is and will be" according to CU. And their business is "merchandising" was, is and will (of course). With whom CCP begins to redistribute the (the market) flow of dollars, is thrown from ancient, centuries? Who is this "wronged competitor" who "trod the corn?" Think. Think. "Sand is running out";) By the power of negative energy, and throw out the hysteria butthurt - notably that it is some "vociferous" competitor;). Who thought of - can not continue to think and play safely. : Lol: Well, replacing a "seller claims the" other "seller's claims." And what? Well there is one seller claims to fashion goods "vanity" like a monocle, and the other does not. And What? Well donators give their bucks not "under the table" to ebay but openly to CCP on the other bit rate. And what? The world turned upside down? (Duc He was, is and will be given support with!) No, the market processing. A hue and cry, as if doomsday had begun. : Lol: Something like that ...
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Weeble Tauri
Caldari Battle Cattle
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Posted - 2011.07.01 02:43:00 -
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I'm ok with the OP's idea, with one change.
You can only do it once per character.
I recently started my first character ever in EVE and the first month was a grind from hell. I was excited to play this new game, but I couldn't do anything.
This would at least help new players get into the realm of running lvl 1's or 2's. Or being able to be an effective tackle in PVP.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2011.07.01 03:46:00 -
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NO to buying skillpoints ever!
--- Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum I can tell you that this is one of the moments when we look at what those at CCP will do and less of what they say. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.07.01 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: ninjaholic ... those days when getting up in the middle of the night to set a skill at 4am when they're working at 8am like we did.
never did that myself... was always up playing straight through =========================
Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference
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Kali Omega
Pitch Black.
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Posted - 2011.07.01 16:43:00 -
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No to EVER buying SP......
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Yulinki Atavuli
Minmatar Caldari Investment and Security Industries Innovia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:19:00 -
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no.
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Wilhelm Riley
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Posted - 2011.07.01 17:58:00 -
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I'd rather trade in my earned SP for game time
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MorliDots22
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:02:00 -
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For those who are against it - why you are not against the Character Bazaar ? Selling SP for Plex is like Hire purchase, you get the Char by "pieces". Now I have to save PLEX to trade them in 6 months for a Char. With SP for PLEX you can get "pieces" of it, because SP is time.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.07.01 18:21:00 -
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sure, using the character bazaar allows the purchaser can skip a lot of time (and will DIAF a lot because of the lack of player skills)... but the seller has already spent the time getting the toon to that place in their skill progression... =========================
Originally by: CCP Games, 2010 Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference
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Plyn
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Posted - 2011.07.01 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: MorliDots22
...If you fly by plane or take a train you can choose to pay about 50% more for comfort. A second class and first class will both achieve the "destination point" so there is no difference...
Also 1st class passengers doesn't reach the destination any faster than the 2nd class passengers. So, essentially the bonus gained from paying more is purely cosmetic. Your argument goes against your point.
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phantomshura
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:32:00 -
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NO, im pretty sure that they would lose omst of their layer if they mae this, because anyone that can pay would get bord after 2 weeks. And almost everyone else that cant pay would rage because of the unfairness, especially old vets. This is the WORSE idea ever.
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Woodman2
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Posted - 2011.07.01 20:36:00 -
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I don't like this idea at all, go buy your way to the top somewhere else.
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Gevlin
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.07.01 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: Gevlin on 01/07/2011 21:07:43 I think this would make an up roar on the past players, and the life cycle of the player would also be short and as they are skipping learning of the lower equipment.
I know we are not "actively" grinding levels, but there is a sense of accomplishment when you get Caldari Cruiser 5. The Purchase of these points would lessen this reward feeling, lessening a players stay in the game.
Eve stands out as a "Hard Core" game by trudging through the swam we appreciate the bath so much more. here we go again! |
Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:19:00 -
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if it happens eve WILL be dead. its just fact. no way in hell will people play a game that it takes 21 years to learn every skill BUT WAIT for this special off of $5999.99 u can get every skill to lvl 5.... NOW!!!!! limited time only as the servers will shut down Monday.
I accept your idea, if it is for the test server only.
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FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
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Posted - 2011.07.01 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Weeble Tauri I'm ok with the OP's idea, with one change.
You can only do it once per character.
I recently started my first character ever in EVE and the first month was a grind from hell. I was excited to play this new game, but I couldn't do anything.
This would at least help new players get into the realm of running lvl 1's or 2's. Or being able to be an effective tackle in PVP.
Can someone explain to me why this is not fair?
How about this, you can buy an implant which increases your SP rate by 1000% for 10 days but can only use this once cause it rots your gonads or something.... ¼_¼
The advantage is not now based on how big your wallet is and everyone has the same limited period. Don't understand the problem with this as long as it is a single use item per toon always.
I have been on Eve since April now and tbh would probably not take this option as it kinda goes against the point of the game imo but I think the Toon bazaar is way more stupid then this idea. I understand why CCP took the choice to make one though.
Even the concept of buying Plex with RL seems pretty crazy to me I wanna make my way in Eve in Eve not with my wallet.
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mucklavee
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.07.02 07:34:00 -
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No....earn your skill points like everyone else since the damn game launched
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Falbala
Gallente Ishtar's Destiny
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Posted - 2011.07.02 07:41:00 -
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I would agree to SP purchase if it was Entropia-like, that is taken from another player's SP pool.
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