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Juliette DuBois
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Posted - 2011.07.02 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Falbala I would agree to SP purchase if it was Entropia-like, that is taken from another player's SP pool.
So start up 10 accounts and vacuum SP to one guy after 6 months? Costs a bit but skips helluva lot of waiting.
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Mike Roche
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.07.02 10:06:00 -
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Edited by: Mike Roche on 02/07/2011 10:08:50 Buying SPs is supported by buying characters.
Plex serves to give play for free and pay to get advantage.
In both cases it requires player effort to build the character and gain the isk to sell.
Pay to win/ pay to SP BREAKS THE GAME because:
IT DOESN'T SUPPORT YOU OR ANYONE ELSE PLAYING THE GAME.
The whole point in eve, in the early days is learning to adapt and deal with low sp and work to get to grow to where you want to be. Skillpoints are not just an ingame thing it requires you to learn how to play and use the points you have and look forward to where you will be.
Eg:
A. A guy with 5 mil skillpoints who has played and is good at what he does
B. A guy who bought a 10mil character and has never played to get there
I would take A every time over B, but at least B originally logged in maybe did one or two things between skill changes and hence added content before he sold it to you?
So go buy a character and isk right out of the box now and be terrible at EVE and miss the whole point. At least this helps fund CCP and FTP guys in the process and gives content in the form of comedy killmails/ your expensive stuff / rage quit tears.
Why don't you go play a different game because you clearly don't 'get' EVE.
WE DON'T WANT AN EMPTY BROKEN EVE WITH NO PLAYERS AND NO CONTENT
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MorliDots22
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Posted - 2011.07.02 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: MorliDots22 on 02/07/2011 11:55:04 You all forget that there are people out there who are succesfull and dont want to wait many years to fly all ships and use all modules. CCP only offers a Character Bazaar where they can buy toons. But buying a alien toon with 100b sp is not the same as have one created. Why not let those who are willing to pay for SP to pay for this ?
Most of those who are against PLEX for SP would also prohibit all special services like 5 Star hotels, porsche cars and hunt. Yes let us all live in soviet union and nordkorea . Wait , what about freedom ? what about individual purpose ? The right to do what I want to do ? Why I should I drive a vw golf if I can afford a porsche ? Why should I sleep in a hostel if I can book a suite in a Hilton ? Just because the 80 % of people do it ? A clever businessman always see a possibility to maximise the profit - its the only true reason why WE have all those special services in RL - because there are people who are ready to pay for it. So wake up from your idealistic world view.
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Debra Char
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Posted - 2011.07.08 07:14:00 -
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The problem is if you buy SP the isk goes poof while when you buy a character on the Bazaar the isk is put into the game. Now I would be ok with spending isk for a temporary boost to an attribute. Like spend a plex for a 30 days of +5 to an attribute. |
Oregin
Red Sky Morning BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.07.08 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: MorliDots22 So I need jumpclones. To get those I need faction standing. To get those I need grind missions. I reached lvl 4 missions now but cannot fly them without frustration because my ship is too slow and the laser range is too low. In "worlds collide" it takes me 7 minutes to fly to the pirates, they are about 150km away Im in a apoc all 4med slots full with cap rechargers. So dont tell me you can get what you want in 3 weeks. Buying Chars in Character Bazaar is not the same because it is not my character. I simply want skill faster and ready to pay a regular price aka 1 PLEX for 2m SP.
This is where you gave away the fact that you're both ignorant and impatient and want to push button and receive bacon. SP will make only a minor difference to how long missions take and in fact skill levels work on diminishing returns so once you've got the t2 mods you need you'd be almost on par with a high SP mission character. Sadly yes you do have to grind missions to receive standing. Because thats basically what standing is, a result of what you have done over time.
Much as I am open to the idea of SP boosts since it really doesn't bother me either way, any idea you make is now void. |
Keras Authion
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.08 08:49:00 -
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Not this topic again.
Problem - Attributes become meaningless. You will learn anything at maximum speed, even if you have remapped it to minimum.
Problem - This will not help new players as older players will buy all plexes. In fact it will drop the people who pay with plexes out of the game. We'd also see much less alt accounts and income for CCP.
Problem - Player specialization loses meaning as anyone can learn anything instantly and magically by inserting a credit card. This encourages FOTM and disencourages teamwork as you can do more by yourself.
Problem - ~90% of the current playerbase do not support anything more than vanity MT. Source.
Eve is a sandbox where only your (in-game) choices is supposed to have a meaning. Can't we have just one game that will not become pay-to-win. It's not like there's a shortage of those.
You might also want to see some previous threads about this particular topic. |
Usual Muse
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Posted - 2011.07.08 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Keras Authion ~90% of the current playerbase
QFT since all EVE online players read and post on the forums. |
Felyza
Caldari Equinox Labs
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Posted - 2011.07.08 11:28:00 -
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No.
Since CCP put in MT's (which they said they never would) they should at least stick by their statement that NO game altering items be purchasable. Reskin your ship, reskin yourself, get some new clothes, but if it changes how you actually interact with other players, no. Instant SP does that. If you want to skip a ton of training time, make your first character a mission runner (solo) or gas harvester (corp/alliance) and go out and earn the isk to pay for a preskilled toon. |
Rek Seven
Gallente Zandathorn Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.08 11:35:00 -
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Sometimes it's like people don't even thing about what they are tying. |
Gallion
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.08 11:39:00 -
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I disagree to all this. you may see it as good but how long have you been playing? Lets not get carried away now. With how things are now your idea would probably be the Death of the Game for Certain. Regardless of Views. |
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shadowace00007
Amarr Beyond The Gates
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Posted - 2011.07.08 12:51:00 -
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Why do people have such bad ideas. |
Enil Eromeno
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Posted - 2011.07.08 13:40:00 -
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No.
That means a big alliance could just bypass all the training and get all their noobs in a supercap.
Besides, non instant gratification is what eve is about. |
cpu939
Gallente Volatile Nature Bloodbound.
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Posted - 2011.07.08 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: MorliDots22 Edited by: MorliDots22 on 02/07/2011 11:55:04 You all forget that there are people out there who are succesfull and dont want to wait many years to fly all ships and use all modules. CCP only offers a Character Bazaar where they can buy toons. But buying a alien toon with 100b sp is not the same as have one created. Why not let those who are willing to pay for SP to pay for this ?
your forgetting that every toon sold via Character Bazaar has had to wait the time to train each skill and maybe made mistakes along the way with buying sp you could make a mistake but it won't cost you time only money.
buying sp would change the fundamentals of the game and that is, eve is Time-based character development game no short cuts the rewards are there for playing the game not for having money in rl, even with CB the rewards are still time based for the seller
Originally by: MorliDots22 what about freedom ?
the freedom was your choice not to play the game earlier
Originally by: MorliDots22 So wake up from your idealistic world view
so we should take your idealistic world of free gain with out work, you and the rest of the sp for plex wake up
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