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Norian Lonark Gallente Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance	Posted - 2011.07.01 08:44:00 - [31] Mostly horrible suggestions, truly hate your SP selling idea. I do agree with ship skins though and vanity items.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.07.01 08:48:00 - [32] Originally by: Mspaine Because of what dust is - and how its linked into eve - selling the rights/work that's done off to someone else realy isnt an option at all. Who said anything about selling it (besides possibly the engine)? I said CANCEL it. End it. No more Dust. Etc. Quote: Considering they're in debt up the wazoo? And why is that? Because they're wasting money on Dust and Twilight. EVE produces a net profit, so if CCP only consisted of EVE, CCP would not have money problems. Quote: At the beginning of the match you start off with say $1500. With that you buy a gun, armor and the such. You run around and play the round. Depending on how well you did in that round - how many people you killed - if you achieved certain objectives - you get more cash. Play horribly and your'e left with a base income that screws you as you cant compete with the AK47's with a Pistol. Except in Dust, you either get out your credit card and buy a new gun each round, or you get to go pistol vs. AK-47 and die. Quote: They have said they will have microtransactions for Dust - but have not said what yet. Even if you ignore the rumors that Dust microtransactions are going to be for game-winning items, it's pretty obvious from the fact that CCP is depending on microtransactions to make Dust profitable without a subscription fee. Vanity items aren't going to fund that, so Dust is going to be pay-to-win. Quote: Look at WoW. For months when it was released players were stuck with 2+ hour ques to log in - bugs and all sorts of unexpected downtime. It lost very few because of these problems? Why? People enjoyed the game, enough to wait out and be patient for the problems to be resolved. The difference is that Dust is attempting to enter a market already dominated by Halo/CoD, and without the kind of persistent world that makes MMO players put up with the issues instead of just moving on to the next game. There's a reason console FPS have poor life expectancy, and now CCP is trying to come in as an unknown AND demand regular cash item purchases to have any chance of winning? Good luck with that... -----------
Mspaine Amarr Eternal Guardians Bloodbound.	Posted - 2011.07.01 09:52:00 - [33] Originally by: Norian Lonark Mostly horrible suggestions, truly hate your SP selling idea. I do agree with ship skins though and vanity items. You do realise CCP were planning on selling SP straight out - no restrictions. That's the only reason i posted the sp for char age if they quit game and came back - they can buy the SP they would have had if they had of kept subbing, by paying the subscription cost of what they would have if they had of trained the entire time instead of quitting/unsubbing. I would not have mentioned anything about SP otherwise - but it seems CCP have their eyes on Selling SP anyway - at least this way you wont have 1day old characters running around in Carriers.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.07.01 09:56:00 - [34] Eve should be a game where actions have consequences. Selling standings resets would destroy this. And this is coming from someone who can't enter Minmatar space without being shot at. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Monstress	Posted - 2011.07.01 10:00:00 - [35] Originally by: Rodj Blake Eve should be a game where actions have consequences. Selling standings resets would destroy this. And this is coming from someone who can't enter Minmatar space without being shot at. I agree. A lot of thought needs to be put into things like this. Also, people should stop assuming CCP is in financial trouble based on statements from last fiscal year.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.01 10:01:00 - [36] Originally by: Monstress Originally by: Rodj Blake Eve should be a game where actions have consequences. Selling standings resets would destroy this. And this is coming from someone who can't enter Minmatar space without being shot at. I agree. A lot of thought needs to be put into things like this. Also, people should stop assuming CCP is in financial trouble based on statements from last fiscal year. No thought needs to be put into non-vanity MTs besides the word "No."
Mspaine Amarr Eternal Guardians Bloodbound.	Posted - 2011.07.01 10:04:00 - [37] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Stuff If they were to cancel Dust they may as well go to the bank and withdraw all the cash they've spent on it - put it into a neat little pile, cover it in petrol and then light it. You may be ok with this idea, and personaly i'd love to see you go to the bank and take out your'e entire paycheck and burn it just to prove a point - but CCP, and any developer that starts to make a 2nd game would not. Dust is at the point where it's too late to stop - the money's been invested/spent - they may as well finish it and get all the money they put into making it back from sales + some profit. No, you start off with Isk each round like counterstrike, what is avalable is limited untill you unlock stuff. Or do the micro transaction thing to unlock it if you're impatient and CBF getting into a good Dust corp that has planets owned/setup to fund their pockets. CCP are very vague - Let's wait for them to actualy announce the bad stuff before we go raging blindly over stuff that may not even be true/happen - k? Dust is tied into MMO - impacts the MMO as well - its not just shoot em up . There's the whole side that the dust players have to setup their planets and muck around to get their income. Which will more than likely include the dust player's ability to sell PI crap. Halo/Counterstrike/BF2142/MMO Hybrid. You dont "need" the microtransactions to get far in dust. 99% of it falls onto the hands of the players and their corps - their ability to work as a team - ensure theres variety in their loadouts (ie everyone plays Sniper Joe and looses becuase the 2nd team has bits of everything and is more capable on the battlefield) Again, you dont need to do the microtransactions to win in dust, It will be seen moreso as the "casual player's door to get the hardcore player's gear" You realy should just go buy a punching bag - print out some Dust Screenshots/Wallpaper art - stick it to the punching bag and let loose to get some of that unrational hate out of ya lol
Medidranda Livoga	Posted - 2011.07.01 10:10:00 - [38] Dust won`t necessarily make any profit, it can be a big loss for CCP in worst case. But I do agree they need to finish it and sell it to recoup as much investment they can. Console FPS market is pretty FOTM-style market, games coming and going. Plenty of established competition too: Halo, Battlefield, MW and Killzone come to mind.
Terianna Eri Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.07.01 10:41:00 - [39] Every single argument for MTs boils down to "other people are doing it, therefore its good." Sometimes it takes the form of not even an argument but just a simple insult, via "they're here, deal with it dummy." This is a fallacious argument. The only thing MTs are good for is CCP's bottom line. They are terrible for everything else and anything new introduced with MT would be better for the game if it were released like normal content. If you support MTs, you're a stupid, worthless sheep and you deserved to be fleeced out of as much of your money as you possibly can be, and you'll thank CCP for the privelege. ________________
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2011.07.01 11:00:00 - [40] Originally by: Terianna Eri This is a fallacious argument. The only thing MTs are good for is CCP's bottom line. The sad thing is they're not even good for CCP's bottom line in the long run. The more they emphasize MTs over new (free) content, the less appealing EVE becomes, until it reaches the end of the death spiral. It's a clear "take the money and run" approach, and I'm really sad to see the developers of such a (formerly) awesome game fall for it. Originally by: Mspaine Again, you dont need to do the microtransactions to win in dust, It will be seen moreso as the "casual player's door to get the hardcore player's gear" Again, CCP's plan for making Dust profitable without a subscription fee (remember, Dust has the full server requirements of an MMO) is based on microtransactions. And the simple fact is that vanity items can't support a game like that. Paying cash to save a bit of leveling time can't support a game like that. The only thing that can keep Dust generating a significant income is for someone* to give CCP cash for items with in-game advantages. And if you don't have those advantages? Well, good luck winning. *Whether that someone is Dust players directly, or EVE players buying their equipment. -----------

Skex Relbore Gallente Red Federation RvB - RED Federation	Posted - 2011.07.01 14:32:00 - [41] Originally by: Terianna Eri Every single argument for MTs boils down to "other people are doing it, therefore its good." Sometimes it takes the form of not even an argument but just a simple insult, via "they're here, deal with it dummy." This is a fallacious argument. The only thing MTs are good for is CCP's bottom line. They are terrible for everything else and anything new introduced with MT would be better for the game if it were released like normal content. If you support MTs, you're a stupid, worthless sheep and you deserved to be fleeced out of as much of your money as you possibly can be, and you'll thank CCP for the privelege. Actually it's questionable if it will even be good for CCP's bottom line. Whether it is or not depends on how it affects peoples behavior. Some will obviously quit others will adjust their play style. If I do decide to stick around I may consolidate my accounts so I can have the money I normally pay to keep those accounts active to finance my primary characters. Particularly if they offer something like the ability to train secondary character slots. Another question is how much of an effect it will have on the Plex market. If the cash shop is going to excert some influence on that market and the more revenue it generates for CCP the greater that influence will be, at what point does that affect price people who are only playing because they can give someone else isk to pay for their account time? There are just too many variables to say anything definitive at this point and honestly I suspect that CCP's projections are probably overly optimistic(these types of projections almost always are).
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.01 14:37:00 - [42] I'd pay for pretty clothes. Not the gray, bland crap that's currently in their store. But if they hire someone who actually knows something about designing, and they make slick, fancy threads for me to wear, I'll pay for that. I'll also pay for ship-skins; definitely. Monocle looks like a toy-Borg eye, though; so I'm passing up on that one. -- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP
TamiyaCowboy Caldari KRAKEN FLEET	Posted - 2011.07.01 14:49:00 - [43] CCP spent to much time playing Farmville in facebrick, worked out stupid people buy silly gold coins. CCP this is not facebook you are not zynga or whatever they called, you are CCP stop with the rubbish get with the game. if people want micro transactions they go play facebook app's not eve-online
Mintala Arana Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.01 15:43:00 - [44] Originally by: Mspaine Allow players to pay cash to have their STANDINGS reset. No. There's an ingame mechanism to deal with this (standings grinding), and the ability to buy it for cash gives those with deep wallets an advantage in that they don't need to grind. Quote: Sell SHIP skins - ie pink and white polka dot Domni. I would buy a "Hello Kitty" Kestrel in a heartbeat if it was cheap enough. (Note because I actually like it, just because I know how much it would annoy certain others.) But I would prefer to buy something which would allow me to create my own skin for a ship, and would like even better if I could buy something which would allow me to create a skin and sell copies. Quote: Sell the ability to allow a 2nd character to train on an Account. Price even high for all 3 char slots on an account to train at once. No, and I doubt CCP will do this, as the only way they could do this is to sell the option cheaper than multiple accounts, in which case everyone would pare back their accounts. Quote: If you're going to sell SP - Do it this way. No. No SP sales. Quote: Sell EMOTES. Yes. Quote: Sell a NOTIFICATION SERVICE. IE you pay XX on you're account - and you have the roles required to recieve Pos fuel notifications - or "you're Station/Pos/TCU/Whatever is under attack" mails. You can set it up to notify you if there's only 4 hrs on pos fuels, or 50% shields on a deployed item - so people cant greif you with text spam. Charge extra for a computer voice to call you an warn you "You're POS in <system> is under attack by <Alliance/Corp Name> and the Shields/Armor is at XX% if your'e the type to not check the text messages. If you mean "Add SMS notifications", umm, I don't see the point. If I can't receive EVEMail, I'm probably not going to be able to do anything about an SMS notification either, right?


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