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Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.07.01 01:58:00 - [31] Originally by: Jerry Pepridge [point is the graph is wrong Prove it. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.07.01 01:58:00 - [32] Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 01/07/2011 02:00:43 Originally by: uyoi Originally by: Terminal Insanity You all fail to realize the overall trend. Its been going up steadily since its release. It has its ups and downs, but overall its been climbing. Infact, they've doubled their player base since Revelations The entire rise in activity happened between Revelations and Apocrypha. As you say, it has its ups and downs, but overall the activity hasn't risen since Apocrapha. but you can clearly see the line drawn for Incursion is higher then Apocripha's... And Look at dominion, while being roughly the same as apocrypha, it came AFTER unholy rage, which means that large drop in numbers was re-filled by apocrypha and maintained through the later releases. It only came down near the end of Tyrannis... but spiked right back up with incursions... The only falls were from Unholy Rage, and people getting bored with Domination, tyrannis, and then incursions and eventually leaving. We have no future data for incarna so you cant speculate on how incarna is/has done. Infact this chart also supports CCP's claim that new features sell.
Mister Smithington	Posted - 2011.07.01 01:59:00 - [33] Originally by: Jerry Pepridge You have fed me enough with your inability to make a graph. did you just take a guess? can you explain why the gap between incarna & Today is roughly the same timeline as between Tyranis & Dominion. Guess that makes your graph worth about 200,000 Zim dollars yes? L2Read, scrub. The point you're looking at says "Incursion" not "Incarna." And, the OP didn't make the graph. It's from Eve-offline which, I do believe, is one of Chribba's projects.
Jerry Pepridge	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:00:00 - [34] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Jerry Pepridge [point is the graph is wrong Prove it. Prove its right _________________________________________________ Misty McGinnity Doesn't have an iPhone.
Black Dranzer Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:01:00 - [35] Hey Jerry, weren't you the guy who insisted over and over again that the newsletter was faked?
Mister Smithington	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:02:00 - [36] Originally by: Jerry Pepridge Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Jerry Pepridge [point is the graph is wrong Prove it. Prove its right Jerry Pepridge is an idiot. Jerry Pepridge thinks the graph is wrong. Therefore the graph must be right. QED
Jerry Pepridge	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:03:00 - [37] Originally by: Black Dranzer Hey Jerry, weren't you the guy who insisted over and over again that the newsletter was faked? im a CCP employee, spin, troll, flame, etc is what im paid to do. u mad nerd? _________________________________________________ Misty McGinnity Doesn't have an iPhone.
Black Dranzer Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:04:00 - [38] Originally by: Jerry Pepridge im a CCP employee, spin, troll, flame, etc is what im paid to do. u mad nerd? Gosh, is it summer already?
uyoi	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:06:00 - [39] Originally by: Terminal Insanity but you can clearly see the line drawn for Incursion is higher then Apocripha's... And it's clearly dropping harder. Originally by: Terminal Insanity And Look at dominion, while being roughly the same as apocrypha, it came AFTER unholy rage, which means that large drop in numbers was re-filled by apocrypha and maintained through the later releases. Perhaps the rising trend can be extended to Dominion, but at some point one to two years ago the rising trend levelled off. Originally by: Terminal Insanity Infact this chart also supports CCP's claim that new features sell. They might sell, for a while. Surely a Revelations-Apocrypha-like steadily rising trend is preferable to the current bumpy levelled off trend?
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:09:00 - [40] Originally by: Jerry Pepridge Prove its right No. You're making the assertion. You provide the logic for it. Why are CCP's numbers wrong? Why are is the scale wrong? Are the dates wrong? If so, which ones and why? ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Jerry Pepridge	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:11:00 - [41] Edited by: Jerry Pepridge on 01/07/2011 02:13:09 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Jerry Pepridge Prove its right No. You're making the assertion. You provide the logic for it. Why are CCP's numbers wrong? Why are is the scale wrong? Are the dates wrong? If so, which ones and why? have solved all these issues here Also, look at the very same website for the yearly graph. that is all. edit: btw, please don;t use the word logic & a sentence like this again in the same sentence. Originally by: Tippia Why are is the scale wrong? did you write the english translation for all of your base? _________________________________________________ Misty McGinnity Doesn't have an iPhone.
Kirkland Langue	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:12:00 - [42] There are 3 key numbers to follow as trends - this is one of them. The other two are Active subscription accounts and Peak activity levels. Each of the numbers has a different meaning, but you can't really get the effect of an expansion unless you have all 3 numbers. Looking only at the trend of average daily logged in pilots - you will get a sense of expectations about the future. People will generally log in more when they feel that something is coming. Looking at # of paid subscribers shows information about the past. If we had information about daily peaks - we'd measure in game events such as AT or big battles. Since we only have the average pilot count - what does that tell us? Especially with regards to this expansion? Simple: people had low expectations for the content. Of course, we'd need a lot more information to tell if this is accurate or not, but the point is - these numbers don't tell us much about what people actually think of the expansion, only what they expected. If we also had the number of subscriptions - then looking at the ratio of active pilots to the number of subscriptions and we'd get a very good indicator of what people actually think about EVE.
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:13:00 - [43] Interesting, QuantumRise, Dominion and Incursion were the best expansions overall from the recent ones in my opinion. Looks like the average user count does agree with that.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:13:00 - [44] Originally by: Jerry Pepridge that is all. So you have no proof whatsoever and agree that the graph is correct. Good. Quote: Also, look at the very same website for the yearly graph. The yearly graph is in no way inconsistent with the all-time graph. ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Plus 1	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:16:00 - [45] Originally by: Jerry Pepridge btw, please don;t use the word logic & a sentence like this again in the same sentence.
Jerry Pepridge	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:17:00 - [46] Originally by: Tippia The yearly graph is in no way inconsistent with the all-time graph. look again. _________________________________________________ Misty McGinnity Doesn't have an iPhone.
Atreus Venom Gallente New Eden Hitmen	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:17:00 - [47] Originally by: Jerry Pepridge Originally by: uyoi The entire rise in activity happened between Revelations and Apocrypha. As you say, it has its ups and downs, but overall the activity In the most popular timezone hasn't risen since Apocrapha. More failed logic. FYP for you. could you please show these great people the 10 days you were talking about by making your own graph notes please... no i didnt think so º--Atreus--º
uyoi	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:17:00 - [48] Originally by: Kirkland Langue There are 3 key numbers to follow as trends - this is one of them. The other two are Active subscription accounts and Peak activity levels. Interesting comments! If you're feeling ambitious, eve-offline.net has stats on daily peaks up to a year back and MMOdata has information on subscribers.
Rius Ulrich	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:17:00 - [49] Originally by: Jerry Pepridge Originally by: Black Dranzer Hey Jerry, weren't you the guy who insisted over and over again that the newsletter was faked? im a CCP employee, spin, troll, flame, etc is what im paid to do. u mad nerd? Troll for sure... are you guys breeding? More of you idiots pop up everyday I swear.
Mister Smithington	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:18:00 - [50] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Jerry Pepridge that is all. So you have no proof whatsoever and agree that the graph is correct. Good. I seem to remember using a similar line in a debate with you not long ago. You didn't take kindly to it, if memory serves. Quote: Quote: Also, look at the very same website for the yearly graph. The yearly graph is in no way inconsistent with the all-time graph. It's also graphing two different things. Yearly is PCU; all-time is daily average.
Kirkland Langue	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:20:00 - [51] Originally by: uyoi Originally by: Kirkland Langue There are 3 key numbers to follow as trends - this is one of them. The other two are Active subscription accounts and Peak activity levels. Interesting comments! If you're feeling ambitious, eve-offline.net has stats on daily peaks up to a year back and MMOdata has information on subscribers. Hell no. I unsubscribed and am kinda just following the discussion to get it out of my system since I've played EVE for about 5 years now. I want to know that I had my say, when my account expires. I don't want to feel as though I should have added anything.
Jerry Pepridge	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:20:00 - [52] Originally by: Atreus Venom Originally by: Jerry Pepridge Originally by: uyoi The entire rise in activity happened between Revelations and Apocrypha. As you say, it has its ups and downs, but overall the activity In the most popular timezone hasn't risen since Apocrapha. More failed logic. FYP for you. could you please show these great people the 10 days you were talking about by making your own graph notes please... no i didnt think so nice signature, did you come up with that all by yourself? _________________________________________________ Misty McGinnity Doesn't have an iPhone.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Convex Enterprises	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:21:00 - [53] Originally by: uyoi They might sell, for a while. Surely a Revelations-Apocrypha-like steadily rising trend is preferable to the current bumpy levelled off trend? I would blame that on the increased player base. Instead of only 10k players (and say 5% fluctuation) theres now 20k players and that 5% fluctuation looks twice as worse, when its still the same %
Garreth Vlox Minmatar Obsidian Inc.	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:22:00 - [54] Originally by: Jerry Pepridge ITT: Butthurt nerd makes meaningless graph post with your dev main
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:22:00 - [55] Edited by: Tippia on 01/07/2011 02:22:55 Originally by: Jerry Pepridge look again. Yes. Please do. The PCUs follow the same curve as the averages. The two graphs are consistent. You still have offered no proof for why it's wrong. Why are CCP's numbers wrong? Why is the scale wrong? Are the dates wrong? If so, which ones and why? ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP
Atreus Venom Gallente New Eden Hitmen	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:23:00 - [56] Edited by: Atreus Venom on 01/07/2011 02:23:24 Originally by: Jerry Pepridge Originally by: Atreus Venom Originally by: Jerry Pepridge Originally by: uyoi The entire rise in activity happened between Revelations and Apocrypha. As you say, it has its ups and downs, but overall the activity In the most popular timezone hasn't risen since Apocrapha. More failed logic. FYP for you. could you please show these great people the 10 days you were talking about by making your own graph notes please... no i didnt think so nice signature, did you come up with that all by yourself? nope nice dirty sanchez and (if you actually are a CCP employee) nice customer service º--Atreus--º
uyoi	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:23:00 - [57] Originally by: Terminal Insanity Originally by: uyoi They might sell, for a while. Surely a Revelations-Apocrypha-like steadily rising trend is preferable to the current bumpy levelled off trend? I would blame that on the increased player base. Instead of only 10k players (and say 5% fluctuation) theres now 20k players and that 5% fluctuation looks twice as worse, when its still the same % If I have some time, I might have a look at the exact % variation this weekend.
Atreus Venom Gallente New Eden Hitmen	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:26:00 - [58] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 01/07/2011 02:22:55 Originally by: Jerry Pepridge look again. Yes. Please do. The PCUs follow the same curve as the averages. The two graphs are consistent. You still have offered no proof for why it's wrong. Why are CCP's numbers wrong? Why is the scale wrong? Are the dates wrong? If so, which ones and why? look we shouldnt expect much in the way of information or proof or anything really great... just fluff from ccp employees or wannabes º--Atreus--º
yumike	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:36:00 - [59] Edited by: yumike on 01/07/2011 02:40:58 If you actually look at QEN year ends. You'll notice for the past two years we've had a solid 330k sub count each year. (Obviously people leave/join, But it's stayed VERY even. only fluctuating a few thousand at most.) @Jerry, It's okay if you don't understand the big mean graph, There's a few people that i'm sure will pony it up for you and talk you through it on vent, Once you complete primary school i'm sure you'll have no problem with such big and daunting numbers. It's okay we were all there 20-30 years ago. Originally by: Atreus Venom look we shouldnt expect much in the way of information or proof or anything really great... just fluff from ccp employees or wannabes I fail to understand how CCP's numbers are going to differ from CCP's numbers. If you understand the software/api at all you'd realize that data IS from CCP's servers and more or less reflects activity quite well. (Of course it doesn't show things like active subscriptions, etc.) We can only gauge this off QEN's + PCU (Which looks to be about 12% of the playerbase logged in at once at peak times.) While we don't have the answer handed to us from an official source, arithmetic doesn't lie and your welcome to check the QEN's yourself to confirm what people are saying.
demonfurbie Minmatar Drunken Wookies BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.07.01 02:40:00 - [60] Originally by: Benri Konpaku I miss Apocrypha. i miss rmr

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