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Ebony Chocolatka	Posted - 2011.07.03 15:16:00 - [1] hello. since recent incarna probing change. (now need 6 probes to get same result as 4 probes before) Anyone knows whats best positionig of probes, and further positioning as you narrow results down? What is good/bad when probing? P.S. i know how to probe. i just want to know how to increase results even by 5% if possible. or just scan faster. All guides on exploation are obsolete, and do not reflect current probing formulas.
k'ryn	Posted - 2011.07.03 15:44:00 - [2] I usually try to place 4 around the outside edge of what I'm scanning and one above and one below so they all over lap a decent ammount, usually with the scan range touching the other probe graphics. Works pretty well.
Space Wanderer	Posted - 2011.07.03 21:38:00 - [3] Originally by: Ebony Chocolatka All guides on exploation are obsolete, and do not reflect current probing formulas. True. To my knowledge nobody yet managed to find the new formula. I am almost there, but the formula I found seems to be only a special case. It works well in 2D, but fails miseraby in 3D... Give me a little time and hopefully I'll have the new formula, if my brain doesn't melt before...
Mintala Arana Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.03 22:09:00 - [4] Originally by: Ebony Chocolatka hello. since recent incarna probing change. (now need 6 probes to get same result as 4 probes before) Anyone knows whats best positionig of probes, and further positioning as you narrow results down? What is good/bad when probing? P.S. i know how to probe. i just want to know how to increase results even by 5% if possible. or just scan faster. All guides on exploation are obsolete, and do not reflect current probing formulas. Prior to Incarna, I could find every site with 4 probes and appropriate skills/equipment (i.e. use a ship with bonus). Adding implants and Sisters gear made it easier. Post-Incarna, I need a fifth probe for some sites, but I haven't been out to null to check the really hard to find ones yet, so I might need a sixth for those.
Substantia Nigra	Posted - 2011.07.03 23:30:00 - [5] Originally by: Ebony Chocolatka ... recent incarna probing change. (now need 6 probes to get same result as 4 probes before) I can't help you with formula or such, but am still happily and effectively probe scanning with four probes (plus my security single deep space probe). Whatever changes have happened have either had no direct effect, or have reduced my scanning by one-step only ... by that I mean a site that would previously resolve at 2AU now either still resolves at 2AU or resolves at 1AU. I reckon I'd lose more time in deploying and adjusting extra probes than I do in sometimes having to make one more scan. The sig-size calculations, as used in utilities such as siggy (http://talocanunited.com/wordpress/?page_id=2155), still seem to be pretty well spot-on.
Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.07.04 08:54:00 - [6] tried to scan yesterday. Well it wasn't harder than before. 2 grav sites + 1 Rogue Drone Hierarchy in 20 minutes. The same as in before. Only thing wanted to ask: i heard there was "special key" to move all probes at once to new position? Or i'm wrong here? - "Alt" key moves probes closer or farer from "center". - "Ctrl" helps moving 1 probe. However it didn't worked for some time. Next launch of probes gave me "Ctrl" key working. - "Shift" doesn't seems special. And once again: in some positions it is very difficult to control probes. For example: when you have bright cloud on back of the screen. You simply can't see anything. Sometimes it really hutrs
Mintala Arana Amarr	Posted - 2011.07.04 15:18:00 - [7] Originally by: Miss Rabblt tried to scan yesterday. Well it wasn't harder than before. 2 grav sites + 1 Rogue Drone Hierarchy in 20 minutes. The same as in before. Only thing wanted to ask: i heard there was "special key" to move all probes at once to new position? Or i'm wrong here? - "Alt" key moves probes closer or farer from "center". - "Ctrl" helps moving 1 probe. However it didn't worked for some time. Next launch of probes gave me "Ctrl" key working. - "Shift" doesn't seems special. And once again: in some positions it is very difficult to control probes. For example: when you have bright cloud on back of the screen. You simply can't see anything. Sometimes it really hutrs Shift will let you move all active probes at once. Oh, and practice scanning. :) I generally can scan down anything in 2-3 minutes, max. Less if it's a strong signature. 3 sites in 20 minutes, unless you're scanning, then running a site, then scanning the next one, is pretty slow. :)
Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.07.05 09:24:00 - [8] Originally by: Mintala Arana Shift will let you move all active probes at once. hm? Haven't noticed :/ ok. will try to find how to use it. Thanks Originally by: Mintala Arana Oh, and practice scanning. :) I generally can scan down anything in 2-3 minutes, max. Less if it's a strong signature. 3 sites in 20 minutes, unless you're scanning, then running a site, then scanning the next one, is pretty slow. :) Bad news is there is nothing to search in drone regions :( REALLY. I have been scanning often when i was living in angel region and empyre. However here... 90% of time you find wormholes. 90% of combat sites don't worth time. I used to scan every day when i was mining. But since my wallet punched 20 billiones i stoped to do it :) So no practice last 3 months....
Powie XIII	Posted - 2011.07.05 12:57:00 - [9] I still use 4 probes, though i have 152.4 probe str. Virtue set + hardwiring and skills.
Haramir Haleths Caldari Nutella Bande	Posted - 2011.07.05 13:57:00 - [10] Originally by: Miss Rabblt Originally by: Mintala Arana Shift will let you move all active probes at once. hm? Haven't noticed :/ ok. will try to find how to use it. Thanks Originally by: Mintala Arana Oh, and practice scanning. :) I generally can scan down anything in 2-3 minutes, max. Less if it's a strong signature. 3 sites in 20 minutes, unless you're scanning, then running a site, then scanning the next one, is pretty slow. :) Bad news is there is nothing to search in drone regions :( REALLY. I have been scanning often when i was living in angel region and empyre. However here... 90% of time you find wormholes. 90% of combat sites don't worth time. I used to scan every day when i was mining. But since my wallet punched 20 billiones i stoped to do it :) So no practice last 3 months.... Can you borrow me 5 Billion please. I will pay back, i swear.
Mongo LLLLLoid	Posted - 2011.07.05 16:07:00 - [11] LOL @ everyone that uses more than 4 probes (excluding deeps space) You are doing it 100% wrong.
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.07.05 16:40:00 - [12] I am using the same method I used before Incarna, and it seems to be working just as well (if not even better). But that's with near maxed skills, covops, and sister's equipment. ---
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.07.05 16:48:00 - [13] Incarna changed how probes return results. Pre-incarna, even if you used 8 probes you would only get results from the best 4. Post-incarna, now all probes return results. So, if you're not using as many probes as your skills allow you're doing yourself a disservice.
Xilian Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.06 10:21:00 - [14] Scanning in 0.0 I still use 4 probes, skills at 4, and no scanning rigs on my buzzard. Once i've needed to launch a 5th probe, and i suspect a few other sites will require one as well.
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.07.06 12:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Xilian Scanning in 0.0 I still use 4 probes, skills at 4, and no scanning rigs on my buzzard. Once i've needed to launch a 5th probe, and i suspect a few other sites will require one as well. CCP can't fix stupid.
Ezee Monee	Posted - 2011.07.06 15:02:00 - [16] So he has a method that obviously works for him. Yeah, I can see where that's stupid. Oh, wait...wut?
Blackberry Cobbler	Posted - 2011.07.06 15:31:00 - [17] Originally by: Ezee Monee So he has a method that obviously works for him. Yeah, I can see where that's stupid. Oh, wait...wut? Posting to confirm that if a method works, there can't be a better method.
Mongo LLLLLoid	Posted - 2011.07.06 18:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Blackberry Cobbler Originally by: Ezee Monee So he has a method that obviously works for him. Yeah, I can see where that's stupid. Oh, wait...wut? Posting to confirm that if a method works, there can't be a better method. Agreed. Using 8 probes when you still only need to not be bad and use 4 is totally an efficient use of time.
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.07.06 19:49:00 - [19] Edited by: Mr Kidd on 06/07/2011 19:56:26 Edited by: Mr Kidd on 06/07/2011 19:50:29 Originally by: Mongo LLLLLoid Originally by: Blackberry Cobbler Originally by: Ezee Monee So he has a method that obviously works for him. Yeah, I can see where that's stupid. Oh, wait...wut? Posting to confirm that if a method works, there can't be a better method. Agreed. Using 8 probes when you still only need to not be bad and use 4 is totally an efficient use of time. The epeen is strong in this one. Completely ignoring the dev who designed the new algorithms...that's stupid which no amount of effort can fix. Edit to further inform the clueless: 8 probes, using the ALT key, take exactly the same amount of effort and time to control that 4 do.
Blackberry Cobbler	Posted - 2011.07.06 19:53:00 - [20] Originally by: Mr Kidd Edited by: Mr Kidd on 06/07/2011 19:50:29 Originally by: Mongo LLLLLoid Originally by: Blackberry Cobbler Originally by: Ezee Monee So he has a method that obviously works for him. Yeah, I can see where that's stupid. Oh, wait...wut? Posting to confirm that if a method works, there can't be a better method. Agreed. Using 8 probes when you still only need to not be bad and use 4 is totally an efficient use of time. The epeen is strong in this one. Completely ignoring the dev who designed the new algorithms...that's stupid which no amount of effort can fix. Mr Kidd you have the best avatar.
Mongo LLLLLoid	Posted - 2011.07.07 03:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Mr Kidd Edited by: Mr Kidd on 06/07/2011 19:56:56 Originally by: Mongo LLLLLoid Originally by: Blackberry Cobbler Originally by: Ezee Monee So he has a method that obviously works for him. Yeah, I can see where that's stupid. Oh, wait...wut? Posting to confirm that if a method works, there can't be a better method. Agreed. Using 8 probes when you still only need to not be bad and use 4 is totally an efficient use of time. The epeen is strong in this one. Completely ignoring the dev who designed the new algorithms...that's stupid which no amount of effort can fix. Edit to further inform the clueless: 8 probes, using the ALT key, take exactly the same amount of effort and time to control as 4 do. derp and twice as long if not longer to arrange them originally.
Blackberry Cobbler	Posted - 2011.07.07 13:22:00 - [22] Originally by: Mongo LLLLLoid derp and twice as long if not longer to arrange them originally. derp and when you are scanning a system full of signatures the time investment of clicking a button 4 times is made up ten times over by massive increase in probe strength, so herp.
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.07.07 13:46:00 - [23] Originally by: Mongo LLLLLoid derp and twice as long if not longer to arrange them originally. Yea, though I walk through the valley in the shadow of fools, I will fear no stupidity; for thou art with me: thy scanner probes and thy launcher, they comfort me.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2011.07.07 15:04:00 - [24] I don't get it. I can probe just fine in Incarna. Also, because there is no way to close the probes to a point together it is a seeming waste of time to have more than 4 probes. www.siigarikitawa.com ò Buy a GTC
Ezee Monee	Posted - 2011.07.08 00:53:00 - [25] Quote: Posting to confirm that if a method works, there can't be a better method. Needs no real confirmation, but surely if a a tack hammer is good for repairing shoes, then a circus tent mallet makes it awesome!
Blackberry Cobbler	Posted - 2011.07.08 13:32:00 - [26] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I don't get it. I can probe just fine in Incarna. Also, because there is no way to close the probes to a point together it is a seeming waste of time to have more than 4 probes. You know there IS a way to close the probes to a point together, right? Hold Alt and prepare for mind explosion.
Mongo LLLLLoid	Posted - 2011.07.08 20:18:00 - [27] Nah its cool guys, have fun trying to compete in high sec using 8 probes with the 10000 other people scanning much faster than you with just 4.
Callduron	Posted - 2011.07.09 23:11:00 - [28] I'm of the opinion 8 is probably best. Here's the story: 1) Launch Probes. I accept that launching probes is done faster when you launch fewer. 2) Split probes up with Alt-drag. Takes the same time no matter how many you have out. 3) Move probes using shift. Re-sizing in and out using alt drag. At no point is it slower using 8. 4) Get feedback from the game based on your 4 most useful probes. Clearly best 4 from 8 beats best 4 from 4. I'm no expert but since I didn't learn probing to expert level before it suits me to drop 8 now and do it easi-mode.
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.07.10 16:56:00 - [29] Noobs
Noferatu	Posted - 2011.07.10 18:38:00 - [30] 7-probe au-staggered pattern ftw :D

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