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Charlena
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Posted - 2005.02.23 03:33:00 -
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Edited by: Charlena on 23/02/2005 03:34:02
 Originally by: Emmerich Steiner
Originally by: Lallante
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All this said, The Fountain Allaince is going to be a footnote in the battle for the Fountain Region.
That is an awesomely poetic statement, but publicly I don't think your supposed to admit that Imperium wants Fountain yet.
meh, it's quite obvious.. We are not eyeing eastern Gallente federation :D
That's really fun, but total expected. In the usual fashion
of Votf they couldn't wait and had to jump the gun before they should have.
Just like the way Xirtam ran CA, always bitting off more than they could chew.
Also, Imperium is hardly a fearsome opponent. Look at the list of corporations
its Votf, Rona and handbags.
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Emmerich Steiner
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Posted - 2005.02.23 03:57:00 -
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Who said anything about xirt and votf.. I speak for myself.. If you want to know VOTF's intentions just ask them, but I plan to shoot on every FA ship I see.
Quite a few in our corp have a bone to pick with FA, and would oh so enjoy causing them financial ruin..
Currently training: Original Sig / Rank 1 / SP: 198000 of 256000  |
Awalance
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Posted - 2005.02.23 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Emmerich Steiner
We have a big problem here..
Everyone seems to see this as a VOTF vs. Shinra problem.. which in almost all respects it is, except for one.. VOTF is one of the power banks in the Imperium Alliance. If Shinra and VOTF go at it, it will drag in the rest of the imperium into the conflict.
That being said I personally do not want to fight shinra.. Not out of fear but for the same reason I don't want to goto my friends house blow up his car and and put a bullet into his head.
This extends further.. obviously shinra is going to have problems extending itself against the entire Imperium, and is going to need help.. Help from freinds that our friends supremecy are not fond of. Though shinra and supremecy are friends, and have publicly stated that they will not enter the conflict between us (rightfully so), it is going to be very hard for them to stay out of the conflict if BoB and or MASS decide to join the fray.
This extends much farther then the "who broked teh CA" fued.
All this said, The Fountain Allaince is going to be a footnote in the battle for the Fountain Region.
well this seams for me like :" OK WE ARE 10 THEY ARE ALONE ..WE CAN WIN "
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.02.23 05:10:00 -
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Xirt runs really smooth veldspar mining operations.
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sapage1
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Posted - 2005.02.23 05:39:00 -
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Edited by: sapage1 on 23/02/2005 05:44:09
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HatePeace LoveWar
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Posted - 2005.02.23 07:40:00 -
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It won't be ShinRa vs VOTF it will be Imperium vs BoB + Shinra which really ticks me off because we cannot get involved. 
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Emmerich Steiner
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Posted - 2005.02.23 08:24:00 -
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that's what im trying to say... It's bad news.
Shinra and VOTF have put several of us in a bad position.
Hatepeace, at least you have a choice. I must back VOTF here.
Currently training: Original Sig / Rank 1 / SP: 198000 of 256000 |
Guderian
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Posted - 2005.02.23 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Emmerich Steiner
that's what im trying to say... It's bad news.
Shinra and VOTF have put several of us in a bad position.
Hatepeace, at least you have a choice. I must back VOTF here.
Actually its VOTF that has put you in a bad position. We didn't want to war VOTF and IMP. Surely the hate towards VOTF in certain groups in Shinra is still intact and flaming and I'm sure the opposite is true too. But as a corp we would have stayed nap'ed with VOTF+IMP if you had wanted it.
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Chowdown
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Posted - 2005.02.23 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar
It won't be ShinRa vs VOTF it will be Imperium vs BoB + Shinra which really ticks me off because we cannot get involved.
Well this is all speculation, but what you must also take into account is it will be GIMP VS Shinra.
New Shinra Kill system, please be patient were still ironing out the finer points!! |
Cpt Pugwash
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Posted - 2005.02.23 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Charlena
That is an awesomely poetic statement, but publicly I don't think your supposed to admit that Imperium wants Fountain yet.
Also, Imperium is hardly a fearsome opponent. Look at the list of corporations
its Votf, Rona and handbags.
Thats right Rubra only joined Imperium so we could compare handbags 
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Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2005.02.23 09:48:00 -
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i would say votf works much more on impulse where as shinra tends to think things out a little more but thats just really a difference between euro and americans. :)
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Emmerich Steiner
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Posted - 2005.02.23 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Guderian
Originally by: Emmerich Steiner
that's what im trying to say... It's bad news.
Shinra and VOTF have put several of us in a bad position.
Hatepeace, at least you have a choice. I must back VOTF here.
Actually its VOTF that has put you in a bad position. We didn't want to war VOTF and IMP. Surely the hate towards VOTF in certain groups in Shinra is still intact and flaming and I'm sure the opposite is true too. But as a corp we would have stayed nap'ed with VOTF+IMP if you had wanted it.
It's much deeper than VOTF picking a fight with Shinra... Your corp had thier hands just as deep as VOTF did.
Your poor choice of bed fellows is just as much a fault as VOTF's aggression.
And yes you are right, there is some severe animosity between VOTF and Shinra, Especially in the leadership. But for the most part stays within VOTF.
I for one don't hate anyone within shinra personally, some of your more flagrant forum trolls annoy me once in a while.. but it is nothing serious.
All for all, I look foward to meeting you on the battlefield, it's going to be throughly enjoyable, whatever the outcome.
Currently training: Original Sig / Rank 1 / SP: 198000 of 256000 |
Emmerich Steiner
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Posted - 2005.02.23 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn666
i would say votf works much more on impulse where as shinra tends to think things out a little more but thats just really a difference between euro and americans. :)
Indecisiveness is not a virtue :D
Currently training: Original Sig / Rank 1 / SP: 198000 of 256000 |
Estios
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Posted - 2005.02.23 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Emmerich Steiner
Who said anything about xirt and votf.. I speak for myself.. If you want to know VOTF's intentions just ask them, but I plan to shoot on every FA ship I see.
Quite a few in our corp have a bone to pick with FA, and would oh so enjoy causing them financial ruin..
Errr.....dude.....I think you like, missed the bus and stuff.
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Chachurga
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Posted - 2005.02.23 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: nfgdhgsdf
VOTF and Shinra - The Perfect Enemies
Why do VOTF and Shinra make such good enemies? Why is there so much animosity and tension between these two corporations?
It is very simple. Shinra and VOTF have too much in common. They are a clasic example of " this town ain't big enough for the both of us. " Below is a short analysis of why this is true.
Both of these corporations are the pinnicle of a group of " rough around the edges " players. From the top to the bottem these two corps are a conglomeration of ex- pirates, thieves, spies, and grifers.
The only difference between thse two player bases is Votf is primarily American, and Shinra is primarily Euro.
Leadership - The comparison begins with Lallante and Aneu angelus. Two of the most outspoken forum *****s in the game. Both are fearcly loyal to there respective corps and leave nothing but deception and flames in thier wake.
Next is Chowdown. He is a little harder to pin with a parallel in VOTF. Untill you combine the traits of ED and Xirtam together. The end result of this colaboration is a calmer more rational approuch to decision making mixed with a hint of aggresion. Much like chowdown's own approuch to Eve.
Fleet Command - While some of the finest fleet commanders from the X-ca play for these two corps the similarities skew here.
Xirtam - Xirtamvotf is one of the oldest fleet commanders in game. He has a lot of trouble adapting to new tactics and technology. However in a straight up slugfest there is no one in game that can inspire his men to hold the line like xirt. For all his faults, right now Eve favors his fleet tactics.
Chowdown - Like xirt chowdown is a very old hand at fleet operations. Chow can take a force into situations most fleet commanders would not dare to. He can adapt to situations faster then xirt can which allows him to mobilize his man faster. Cool and calm chow is the exact opposite of xirtam.
Eternal Dark - ED has been aroround for a long time. He is quick on his feet and will gladly stare down the largest of enemy fleets. However his greatest strength is also his weakness. His tactics relly on speed and shock heavily, and while very effective against the forces of norad, jqa and xetic. He will have to adjust his tactics to be successfull against the forces of BoB. Burdened with large fleets ED will take a slow giant and make it fast enough to be deadly.
Lallante - A better commander then any of the third teir commanders of VOTF since Redon and Sapage1 have gone MIA.
Taking his time Lallante can usually get the job done when chow isn't up for it. His greatest weakness is his pride which limits the situations he is willing to take on. However given the right circumstances he will get the job done for shinra.
I can not tell you who would win if these two corps were thrown into a frey, but I can gurentee it will be a fight for blood, pride, and payback. They both blame each other for the breakup of CA, they are both partially at fault. Perhaps one day when they have killed enough of each other they can come to a mutual understanding. That they are each others perfect adversary.
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2005.02.23 10:31:00 -
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The threadstarter is almost right, though you can see he is not fond of Shinra.
The situation is very complex for our and VOTF allies. For GImperium this subject will be a fall or a rising. Simply because GImperium contains loads of xCA who not wish to attack Shinra. If they chose not to, GImperium is going to have a hard time.
I find this war rediculous, because VOTF did so on wrong intel. They claim Shinra had plans to attack GImperium, that is partial true, as we sure do plan to attack G. We where strictly orderd before we went for the operation in FA, NEVER TO FIRE UPON IMPERIUM. Even though VOTF was in it, and VOTF doesnt not have a large fanbase in Shinra. Though as instructed, we never fired upon Imperium members.
VOTF on the other hand, started shooting Shinra members without even giving a 'warning shot'. I find this the worst part of the whole situation. They could at least say something like, we are not NAPped anymore, you will be shot on sight. But instead, they come into Fountain, and blow up 1 of our ships while they where still bleu to us. No respect i tell you.
Im not whining about the shiploss, but its pretty much backstabbing (no flame intended) from VOTF.
I'll await for GImperium to declare war, or to reinitiate the NAP officially again.
For me personal, i do not wish to fire upon old friends based upon wrong intel. But if they leave us no choice...
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HatePeace LoveWar
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Posted - 2005.02.23 10:31:00 -
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Yea chow i know it will go both ways, i'm not placing the blame on anyone here. It's just i'm gutted about the whole scenario. :(
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Moxx
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Posted - 2005.02.23 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
I don't see VOTF or Shinra as being anything alike. I've never seen anyone from Shinra say "lol" in local.
Hey, I say LOL all the damn time.
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Darkrydar
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Posted - 2005.02.23 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Emmerich Steiner
Your poor choice of bed fellows is just as much a fault as VOTF's aggression.
Hardly the same. Steel Vipers attacked Curse on many times and another G corp shot CA guys while carrying the PA NAP. You're memory is VERY selective indeed.
If I understand this, its ok for you guys to make friends with enemies of old, but its not ok for us? I guess all objectivity is out the window ehh? I woulnt bother posting but I loath hypocracy.
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2005.02.23 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
Originally by: Charlena
That is an awesomely poetic statement, but publicly I don't think your supposed to admit that Imperium wants Fountain yet.
Also, Imperium is hardly a fearsome opponent. Look at the list of corporations
its Votf, Rona and handbags.
Thats right Rubra only joined Imperium so we could compare handbags
Do you like my chocolate handbag?
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Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.02.23 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Emmerich Steiner
Originally by: Hellspawn666
i would say votf works much more on impulse where as shinra tends to think things out a little more but thats just really a difference between euro and americans. :)
Indecisiveness is not a virtue :D
I'm not so sure...
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FatBalls
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Posted - 2005.02.23 18:05:00 -
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Shinra and VOTF have put several of us in a bad position.
This may be the end of me playing eve.(I am sure that would make some people happy though) I have to fire on people I admire and respect.
I ask that it be resolved peacefully as opposed to what is going to happen...
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Lallante
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Posted - 2005.02.23 18:57:00 -
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rofl
Lall - THE Vocal Minority -
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S3VYN
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Posted - 2005.02.23 19:03:00 -
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This situation seems very much like the one that FIX and SE found themselves in. It's a rough place to be and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
Shooting at people you didn't really want to shoot at loses its sting after a while. But you should plan on doing so without smacking or holding ill will towards each other. The EVE universe is small and everything you do has the ability to come back to haunt you later. ;)
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FatBalls
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Posted - 2005.02.23 19:12:00 -
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Why the "lol" Lallante ???
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2005.02.23 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 23/02/2005 19:42:47
eh, **** it. nm
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Chowdown
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Posted - 2005.02.23 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: FatBalls
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Shinra and VOTF have put several of us in a bad position.
This may be the end of me playing eve.(I am sure that would make some people happy though) I have to fire on people I admire and respect.
I ask that it be resolved peacefully as opposed to what is going to happen...
Thanks for the kind words Fats, are complaint obviously is not with you, but the nature of alliances is you get tied into others decisions. By all accounts see you on Friday. 
New Shinra Kill system, please be patient were still ironing out the finer points!! |
FatBalls
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Posted - 2005.02.23 20:10:00 -
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Well, this is honestly the worst time of game play for me...
I wish that we could work this out on so many levels....
I do not know what to say other than I will not shoot at chowdown, Tanc, Northy, Tusal, chowdowns cousins brothers and sisters too many to mention and some others I may have forgot.
If you fire upon me I will not return fire as even though this is a game on some most levels I can disassociate my real life morals and act a fool but as far as being loyal I am that to the end in or out of game.\
I wanna say one more time this sucks 100% and if their is anything I can do to prevent it I will.
I may not have a lot of fans on my side after this but they should know that I am here and will defend my allianice even if it means just sitting being cannon fodder and never firing a shot. I will not betray Imperium just I can not actually force myself to shoot above mentioned people...
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Bazman
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Posted - 2005.02.23 20:23:00 -
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I find this situation kinda crappy too, i don't fancy the idea of having to fight xCA corps in any capacity, but if they've declared war on you what can you do? Meh
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.02.23 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Aneu Angellus
Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
Originally by: Charlena
That is an awesomely poetic statement, but publicly I don't think your supposed to admit that Imperium wants Fountain yet.
Also, Imperium is hardly a fearsome opponent. Look at the list of corporations
its Votf, Rona and handbags.
Thats right Rubra only joined Imperium so we could compare handbags
Do you like my chocolate handbag?
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