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Shizu Eisenkreuz
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Posted - 2011.07.06 14:35:00 -
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Hello everyone, new player.
Looking for advice here because I have a clear goal but I'm not sure about the best way to pursue it.
I don't like battleships and I plan to stick with cruisers and battlecruisers for a while, with the Sleipnir as my first semi-long term goal, wich will unlock some very interesting ships on the way. At this moment I have around 1.4M sp, mostly focused on fitting, shield and generic gunnery skills. I'm not really committed to anything yet.
Here are the questions:
- I don't like battleships, but I'd like to run level 4s at some point as my main source of income. What are the Minmatar options? I know I probably won't be able to bulldoze level 4s like a specialized BS, but is it a viable source of isk? I don't blitz missions, I loot and salvage with a noctis.
- If I really have to get into a BS to properly run level 4s, how deep should I go with the related skills before returning to my Sleipnir plan?
- How should I proceed to get into a Sleipnir? Beeline the skills to fly the ship itself and then get all the shield/gunnery skills to IV/V or the other way around? Right now I have zero problems running lv 3s in a cyclone. Actually most of them are almost boring.
Thanks.
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Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2011.07.06 14:43:00 -
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Running 4s in anything other than a BS is a time-consuming ballache.
Anyone who says otherwise is either full of **** or deliberately making things difficult for themselves in a misguided attempt prove a point, or to prove their l337ness.
Cue "Rubbish, I can do AE in my Drake (but it takes 4 hours)" idiots... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Ashgoz Kouvo
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Posted - 2011.07.06 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ultim8Evil Running 4s in anything other than a BS is a time-consuming ballache.
Anyone who says otherwise is either full of **** or deliberately making things difficult for themselves in a misguided attempt prove a point, or to prove their l337ness.
Cue "Rubbish, I can do AE in my Drake (but it takes 4 hours)" idiots...
So you are saying that Tengu sucks in L4 missions?
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2011.07.06 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Shizu Eisenkreuz - I don't like battleships, but I'd like to run level 4s at some point as my main source of income. What are the Minmatar options? I know I probably won't be able to bulldoze level 4s like a specialized BS, but is it a viable source of isk? I don't blitz missions, I loot and salvage with a noctis.
Sleipnir can run them fairly well, NH is almost competitive with a Tengu. Otherwise you really want to be in a BS.
Originally by: Shizu Eisenkreuz - If I really have to get into a BS to properly run level 4s, how deep should I go with the related skills before returning to my Sleipnir plan?
Really? Just get large projectiles 4, Gallente BS 4, and Minmatar BS 4 and hop in a Machariel. You'll find that it doesn't share the drawbacks you usually identify with BSs anyhow; it's faster and more agile than most BC fits.
Originally by: Shizu Eisenkreuz - How should I proceed to get into a Sleipnir? Beeline the skills to fly the ship itself and then get all the shield/gunnery skills to IV/V or the other way around? Right now I have zero problems running lv 3s in a cyclone. Actually most of them are almost boring.
What is your remap situation? If you can afford two then just work on whatever is easier for now. If you have to plan more carefully, well, plan it out. I'd take support skills up first but I think I've become more conservative about that in the past few years. At 1.4 million SP there's still plenty of room for improvement.
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Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2011.07.06 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ashgoz Kouvo
Originally by: Ultim8Evil Running 4s in anything other than a BS is a time-consuming ballache.
Anyone who says otherwise is either full of **** or deliberately making things difficult for themselves in a misguided attempt prove a point, or to prove their l337ness.
Cue "Rubbish, I can do AE in my Drake (but it takes 4 hours)" idiots...
So you are saying that Tengu sucks in L4 missions?
Read what I said again, within the context of the OP. At no point have T3s been mentioned. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Ashgoz Kouvo
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Posted - 2011.07.06 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ultim8Evil
Originally by: Ashgoz Kouvo
Originally by: Ultim8Evil Running 4s in anything other than a BS is a time-consuming ballache.
Anyone who says otherwise is either full of **** or deliberately making things difficult for themselves in a misguided attempt prove a point, or to prove their l337ness.
Cue "Rubbish, I can do AE in my Drake (but it takes 4 hours)" idiots...
So you are saying that Tengu sucks in L4 missions?
Read what I said again, within the context of the OP. At no point have T3s been mentioned.
The TE didn't mention any specific ship type except it should be sub-BS which includes T3 cruisers, doesnt it? And she is going to skill cruiser V anyways...
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Telon Ur
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Posted - 2011.07.06 18:03:00 -
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Confirming every useless **** and their mother now has a tengu.
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RavenPaine
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Posted - 2011.07.06 23:30:00 -
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Level 4's are good income so they are worth training into. They are quite different from the lvl 3's you are currently doing however, and I don't think your nearly ready yet.
That said:
If ISK is your main focus from lvl 4 missions, then you also will want to do them as fast as possible. That means BS skills and a Golem, CNR , Mach, Nightmare, or similar. Macharial is the Minnie/Gun option. Torp skills and shield skills on the other ships will also apply to Minnie ships later. How deep you train into these will become apparent to you later.
But:
If the Sleipner is your end-goal, then choose skills that apply to both BS and BC ships. Such as Drones, Navigation, Tank, Gunnery Suport, etc. I personally don't recomend *raceing* to sit in the ship. Because a weak Slep is really just an expensive loss mail waiting to happen.
With all of these ships and fittings, I don't think you will ever be sorry that you trained them to lvl 5's. There's not really a *bad* choice when your talking about skills for a Minmatar BC or BS.
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Aethlyn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.07 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: Aethlyn on 07/07/2011 10:37:44 Having lots of fun in L4s with my Loki. It IS expensive, but it's also fun to see all those torpedoes doing 5-6 damage cause the ship is so small. ;) I don't think you can beat battleships on the time factor, but if you don't want to have an absolute minimum time invested, T3s are worth it.
The question really is: Do you want to spend the money on the Loki or do you want to save it for the Sleipnir? The Loki is more expensive, the Sleipnir takes quite some more time to train.
But on the plus side: Training all the Loki requirements (excluding the ship and sub system skills) grants you a solid basic skill set allowing you to pilot most T2 cruisers as well as improving your overall performance.
Here's what I've done so far (combat wise) and what I'm going to: - Trained Minmatar Cruiser/Battlecruisers to fly a Hurricane in L2/L3 - Trained module skills to fit (almost) all T2 modules (at least those I were interested in using) - Trained Minmatar Strategic Cruiser and Minmatar Subsystems to fly a Loki (L3 only first) - Trained my Gunnery skills to fit T2 auto cannons (might have been a better idea to do this first) - Now I'm running L4 in my Loki while training the missing skills to fly Command Ships
If you like your Cyclone and you're happy with it (or want to give the Hurricane a try - can be a tanking beast with a shortest recharge time fitted passive shield tank), stick with that ship and upgrade your guns to T2 first. Don't try to perfect skills to V - just get the guns now. Then go for the command ship you'd prefer. Once you're done with that (or even before; might be a bit harder though), get some friend to fly some L4 with you (just to ensure your tank is sufficient and such if you're not sure). If you notice deficits (e.g. not enough tank or hitting not often/hard enough), improve your skills to counter that.
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Shizu Eisenkreuz
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Posted - 2011.07.07 15:25:00 -
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Thx everyone, good input so far.
- Machariel: I do realize it's an awesome ship, but over 800 millions for the hull alone aren't really an option now or in the near future
- Loki to Sleipnir progression: I like this plan, as they use the same weapon class, so I'll look further into T3 cruisers and the whole subsystems...system. But I'm enjoying the Cyclone so far, so I may stick to it for a while (to t2 guns), keep training all the support skills and then go straight for the Sleipnir. Kinda undecided between these two plans.
- T1 battleships (Maelstrom): after looking a bit more into battleships, I realize it takes very little effort to *fly* one. But, even if I bite the bullet and get into a Maelstrom for isk purposes, is it a viable strategy to train the bare minimum (I'm talking Minmatar BS IV and large projectile turrets IV at most) and then going back to common support skills for BS and BC?
Thanks for the replies.
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DestroyRoid
Caldari Paxton Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.07 16:42:00 -
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youll need the shield upgrade skills as well( which will be useful later)
do not get into a bs with bc sized mods
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Jak Silverheart
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.09 17:31:00 -
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Train up T2 for everything and lv V in the appropriate skills that benefit you the most. Than train up for your CS. This is pretty much what I did when I trained up for my Nighthawk. Once you do that you can finish hammering out your skills and getting all the support things to V, which can take quite awhile if your a perfectionist. In the meantime you can quickly train up to be in a drake to do lv4's to up your income. Don't need anything fancy for that beyond what you already have set to train most likely besides a few extra days skill training in missiles and caldari. |
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