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riverini
Gallente
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.07.06 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: riverini on 06/07/2011 19:52:58
EN24, your invitation somehow got "lost" along all the hate mail
Many of our readers have been questioning why we haven't covered the much touted CCP press conference, truth is that we weren't informed of it, and we were like cool, we got so much **** to write about and other sites has been covering it.
But then I find this in my facebooks:
- Eve News24 so far haven't received an invitation, neither we were aware that the whole thing was going to be handled over "skype", so there is some bull**** thrown on the facebooks tubes.
- We won't cover the Press conference Q/A grounded on two facts:
- Since we weren't invited, we deducted that it wasn't in CCP's best interests to have EN24 covering the PR op despite being the third biggest Eve Online news site and the third Biggest eve related site after Eve-Kill.net and Dotlan.
- Secondly, Eve News24 features mostly "original content", the coverage of this has been handled by "professional news sites"
Is it our desire to state that we wish the success of CCP's "vision" for the Eve Online, Dust and WoD project as long as it doesn't affects the integrity of the game, we believe that this is the position shared by the large majority of the players.
Finally we would like to state that Internet Spaceships are Serious Business.  
Riverini
Editor in chief
Eve News24
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Ezra Vouland
Lords 0f Justice
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.07.06 19:53:00 -
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You guys are relevant as Fox anyways
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Chevalleis
The Legendary Conquest
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Posted - 2011.07.06 19:55:00 -
[3]
Yup, even transformers make fun of them.
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riverini
Gallente
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.07.06 19:55:00 -
[4]
 Originally by: Ezra Vouland
You guys are relevant as Fox anyways
Same could be said about fidelas.. 
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coolzero
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.06 19:59:00 -
[5]
guess you'll get punished for "leaking" stuff.
that much feel like being Julian Assange :P
read some story's from former CSM about ccp doesnt these kind of things :P
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Aquana Abyss
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:03:00 -
[6]
As editor in chief surely deduced is the correct word to use there and not deducted.
Oh and your annoying thread title and subsequent "waaah" make you look like a tit. Stop it.
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Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:04:00 -
[7]
Originally by: coolzero
guess you'll get punished for "leaking" stuff.
that much feel like being Julian Assange :P
read some story's from former CSM about ccp doesnt these kind of things :P
Well to be fair Riv only posted about it, hardly makes him 'bad', not that any sane person would read EN24 ;) CCP will probably do something about Mittani showing the newsletter though, if they take his "I saw the newsletter showed it to some people before the leak, NDA only applies to CSM stuff anyway" remark serious
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Mistress Ducktape
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ezra Vouland
You guys are relevant as Fox anyways
It is quite true; skewed, biased, incomplete and aimed at lower IQs.
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riverini
Gallente
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:12:00 -
[9]
Originally by: Aquana Abyss
As editor in chief surely deduced is the correct word to use there and not deducted.
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CCP Manifest
C C P
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:13:00 -
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We'd been in contact with General Windypops, who had accepted, and who had approached us on behalf of EN24 for comment following Incarna release. He didn't reply to several Skype invites or repeated emails after the initial affirmation of his attendance.
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CCP Manifest
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CCP Manifest
C C P
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:15:00 -
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I also hasten to add that we really wish he had shown up as we know a lot of players go there for ingame EVE news.
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CCP Manifest
Public Relations and Social Media|| Iniquitous Brute |
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:15:00 -
[12]
This is an advertisement cleverly, and strangely, disguised as whining.
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riverini
Gallente
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:16:00 -
[13]
Originally by: CCP Manifest
We'd been in contact with General Windypops, who had accepted, and who had approached us on behalf of EN24 for comment following Incarna release. He didn't reply to several Skype invites or repeated emails after the initial affirmation of his attendance.
Fair enough as we have been in contact with CCP Abathur regading all CCP related news.
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Borun Tal
Minmatar
Just Abide
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:20:00 -
[14]
Originally by: riverini
Originally by: CCP Manifest
We'd been in contact with General Windypops, who had accepted, and who had approached us on behalf of EN24 for comment following Incarna release. He didn't reply to several Skype invites or repeated emails after the initial affirmation of his attendance.
Fair enough as we have been in contact with CCP Abathur regading all CCP related news.
If your rag has been in contact with CCP and vice-versa, what's up with the post? Trolling for more page hits?
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CCP Manifest
C C P
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:21:00 -
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Next time we'll come straight to you, but as Windy was the one who approached us following the NeX stuff, seemed logical to reply to him. Did he not run it by you/did you not know he was invited?
Abathur, while undoubtedly an amazing information source, isn't a CCP employee anymore, so if you are looking to get a quote or interview or whatever with CCP, shoot me an email.
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CCP Manifest
Public Relations and Social Media|| Iniquitous Brute |
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riverini
Gallente
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:22:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Borun Tal
Originally by: riverini
Originally by: CCP Manifest
We'd been in contact with General Windypops, who had accepted, and who had approached us on behalf of EN24 for comment following Incarna release. He didn't reply to several Skype invites or repeated emails after the initial affirmation of his attendance.
Fair enough as we have been in contact with CCP Abathur regading all CCP related news.
If your rag has been in contact with CCP and vice-versa, what's up with the post? Trolling for more page hits?
erhm... Neither CCP Abathur of Windypops are related to CCP or EN24 respectively...
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riverini
Gallente
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:25:00 -
[17]
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Next time we'll come straight to you, but as Windy was the one who approached us following the NeX stuff, seemed logical to reply to him. Did he not run it by you/did you not know he was invited?
Abathur, while undoubtedly an amazing information source, isn't a CCP employee anymore, so if you are looking to get a quote or interview or whatever with CCP, shoot me an email.
We are cool, the op is intended so CCP knows why the issue wasn't covered in detail and avoid bad faith speculation.
R
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StarGlider7
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:31:00 -
[18]
"Bad Faith Speculation?"
Isn't that the new codename given to the next expansion?
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CCP Manifest
C C P
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:34:00 -
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Hmm, well Windypops approached us on behalf of EN24 in late June... oh well.
We certainly didn't think there was bad faith or anything, just curious as to why Windy didn't show up. Understood of the coverage angle you guys want to take on it, but if you want to do a "makeup" session, just let me know.
This goes for future stuff as well. Like you said, you guys are a place EVE players go for news and opinion pieces. I will clarify in the sticky thread.
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CCP Manifest
Public Relations and Social Media|| Iniquitous Brute |
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riverini
Gallente
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:44:00 -
[20]
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Hmm, well Windypops approached us on behalf of EN24 in late June... oh well.
We certainly didn't think there was bad faith or anything, just curious as to why Windy didn't show up. Understood of the coverage angle you guys want to take on it, but if you want to do a "makeup" session, just let me know.
This goes for future stuff as well. Like you said, you guys are a place EVE players go for news and opinion pieces. I will clarify in the sticky thread.
It's all good
peace
R
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Mister Smithington
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:46:00 -
[21]
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Hmm, well Windypops approached us on behalf of EN24 in late June... oh well.
Windypops is a detestable troll, why on earth would you take him at his word?
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So'rren
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Posted - 2011.07.06 20:57:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Mister Smithington
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Hmm, well Windypops approached us on behalf of EN24 in late June... oh well.
Windypops is a detestable troll, why on earth would you take him at his word?
They would know not to take him at his word if they read the forums.... oh wait.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2011.07.06 21:02:00 -
[23]
Wait, I gave Windypops 5 bill as a donation to EN24 WTF.
SKUNK
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Zarus Alexander
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Posted - 2011.07.06 21:15:00 -
[24]
EN24 is to the EVE world as FOX News is to the real world. You didn't missing anything anyway, CCP.
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Zorash Xanten
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Posted - 2011.07.06 21:31:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Mister Smithington
Windypops is a detestable troll, why on earth would you take him at his word?
^^This
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Aquana Abyss
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Posted - 2011.07.06 22:05:00 -
[26]
Originally by: riverini
Originally by: Aquana Abyss
As editor in chief surely deduced is the correct word to use there and not deducted.
Thread needs more roll eyes as does EN24 and Riverini
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The Old Chap
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Posted - 2011.07.06 22:09:00 -
[27]
Eeek! CCP Manifest is my ebil twin
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andeira
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Posted - 2011.07.06 22:12:00 -
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I must say I find it an awesome troll of windypops
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Originally by: Stitcher
For frak's sake, it took millions of years of evolution for that brain to get inside your skull, would it kill you to actually USE the damned thing?
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General Windypops
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
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Posted - 2011.07.06 22:29:00 -
[29]
Just to set the record straight I emailed you, riverini, over a week ago about this and receive no reply, you daft sod. Wasn't able to make he interview personally as had to travel abroad with work.
Read your bloody email riverini!
CSM 6: Let's get Windypops indypops. |
Ehdward
Caldari
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.07.06 22:39:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Zarus Alexander
EN24 is to the EVE world as FOX News is to the real world. You didn't missing anything anyway, CCP.
They are both ceaselessly ragged on by people who want to sound knowledgeable and hip?
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DrDan21
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.07.06 22:58:00 -
[31]
Edited by: DrDan21 on 06/07/2011 22:59:24
Originally by: Ezra Vouland
You guys are relevant as Fox anyways
between Glenn Beck and the blonde ***** from Fox I think that EN24 has a bit more credibility and more interesting articles than Fox does.
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"Stay the course" -CCP Hilmar
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Master Hu
Caldari
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.07.06 23:10:00 -
[32]
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Hmm, well Windypops approached us on behalf of EN24 in late June... oh well.
We certainly didn't think there was bad faith or anything, just curious as to why Windy didn't show up. Understood of the coverage angle you guys want to take on it, but if you want to do a "makeup" session, just let me know.
This goes for future stuff as well. Like you said, you guys are a place EVE players go for news and opinion pieces. I will clarify in the sticky thread.
So if I say I am representing Microsoft than you will send checks for invoices I produce? Your company certainly has an interesting way of doing business. BTW, did anyone from CCP go to business school, take a class at a community college or did they learn their business acumen from watching reruns of "The Office"?
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Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
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Posted - 2011.07.07 00:59:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Ehdward
Originally by: Zarus Alexander
EN24 is to the EVE world as FOX News is to the real world. You didn't missing anything anyway, CCP.
They are both ceaselessly ragged on by people who want to sound knowledgeable and hip?
LOL!
QFT
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General Longkill
Helljumpers
White Noise.
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Posted - 2011.07.07 01:41:00 -
[34]
Originally by: CCP Manifest
We'd been in contact with General Windypops, who had accepted, and who had approached us on behalf of EN24 for comment following Incarna release. He didn't reply to several Skype invites or repeated emails after the initial affirmation of his attendance.
this is a troll right?
ah right, ofc it is....
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Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.07.07 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
Just to set the record straight I emailed you, riverini, over a week ago about this and receive no reply, you daft sod. Wasn't able to make he interview personally as had to travel abroad with work.
Read your bloody email riverini!
Oh you sent an email, i guess thats ok then 
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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
Terran United Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.07 02:12:00 -
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Edited by: northwesten on 07/07/2011 02:14:04
EN24 load of crap anyway.
Originally by: General Windypops
Just to set the record straight I emailed you, riverini, over a week ago about this and receive no reply, you daft sod. Wasn't able to make he interview personally as had to travel abroad with work.
Read your bloody email riverini!
This just made you look like a dumb arse riverini. Big title and OMFG drama queen thread. Maybe you should sort your **** out before posting BS.
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Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.07 02:19:00 -
[37]
Wow, you succeeded at making CCP look competent and organized (if only by comparison.) Impressive.
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Scorn Gojira
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Posted - 2011.07.07 02:55:00 -
[38]
Originally by: General Windypops
Just to set the record straight I emailed you, riverini, over a week ago about this and receive no reply, you daft sod. Wasn't able to make he interview personally as had to travel abroad with work.
Read your bloody email riverini!
This lame ass thread just got a lot more interesting......
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Cancel Align NOW
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Posted - 2011.07.07 02:59:00 -
[39]
Originally by: riverini
- Secondly, Eve News24 features mostly "original content", the coverage of this has been handled by "professional news sites"
This will be the closest that Eve News24 ever admits to not being a professional news site.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
Editing to add this: We do not have plans to go microtransaction with EVE.
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riverini
Gallente
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.07.07 03:05:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Cancel Align NOW
Originally by: riverini
- Secondly, Eve News24 features mostly "original content", the coverage of this has been handled by "professional news sites"
This will be the closest that Eve News24 ever admits to not being a professional news site.
Start me paying top bucks for coverage and we'll get pro :P
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General Windypops
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
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Posted - 2011.07.07 07:39:00 -
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Quite amusing to see how angry some people are at EN24 foe getting the scoop of the century. Here are the facts
- CCP Manifest is a jolly nice chap
- riverini is a legend but has too many email addresses and smells a bit
- I am no scummy, pauper journalist. I am, however, an occasional celebrity columnist for EN24 and had been talking to them about doing an interview for some time.
CSM 6: Let's get Windypops indypops. |
Meter Oria
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Posted - 2011.07.07 09:58:00 -
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You need to alienate more people riverini, especially people who disagree with you, aparently that will make you more popular.
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Khamelean
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Posted - 2011.07.07 10:23:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Ehdward
Originally by: Zarus Alexander
EN24 is to the EVE world as FOX News is to the real world. You didn't missing anything anyway, CCP.
They are both ceaselessly ragged on by people who are knowledgeable and hip?
Fixed it for you :)
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Ein Spiegel
Minmatar
Fly-by-Night Industries LLC PTY LTD
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Posted - 2011.07.07 10:43:00 -
[44]
Originally by: riverini
Originally by: Cancel Align NOW
Originally by: riverini
- Secondly, Eve News24 features mostly "original content", the coverage of this has been handled by "professional news sites"
This will be the closest that Eve News24 ever admits to not being a professional news site.
Start me paying top bucks for coverage and we'll get pro :P
Spending as much time as I do reading news sites (CNN, Fox, BBC, etc) - You're really not that far off of the "professional" reporting that Fox does on its website. (Actually, it could be argued that your writers at least have an excuse for occassional bad English - I don't know what Fox's excuse is for not being able to do basic proofreading and avoid simple spelling errors.)
That said, any news site of any kind will have some kind of bias/lean to it - the comparison there is invalid.
These days, I think you ARE about the level of "pro", if not in production value. Where have all the Kronkites gone?
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Doimake uhorni
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Posted - 2011.07.07 10:49:00 -
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So the 3rd biggest EVE news site out of 3, spits their dummy out about not being invited. Hilarious.
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Joe Darkie
Minmatar
Darkies Mob
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Posted - 2011.07.07 10:52:00 -
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maybe we dont need eve24 at all and can use this thread instead to avoid confusion and communication breakdown?
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Julian Assagne
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2011.07.07 10:58:00 -
[47]
Originally by: coolzero
guess you'll get punished for "leaking" stuff.
that much feel like being Julian Assange :P
read some story's from former CSM about ccp doesnt these kind of things :P
what? who called my name?
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Habaticus
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.07 11:10:00 -
[48]
EN24 tells it as it is, not as you want it to be. Ooh yeah so does Fox News by the :)
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Lijhal
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Posted - 2011.07.07 11:22:00 -
[49]
who cares? we dont need your "service" aka EN24 ... lulz
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cpu939
Gallente
Volatile Nature
Bloodbound.
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Posted - 2011.07.07 12:04:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Master Hu
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Hmm, well Windypops approached us on behalf of EN24 in late June... oh well.
We certainly didn't think there was bad faith or anything, just curious as to why Windy didn't show up. Understood of the coverage angle you guys want to take on it, but if you want to do a "makeup" session, just let me know.
This goes for future stuff as well. Like you said, you guys are a place EVE players go for news and opinion pieces. I will clarify in the sticky thread.
So if I say I am representing Microsoft than you will send checks for invoices I produce? Your company certainly has an interesting way of doing business. BTW, did anyone from CCP go to business school, take a class at a community college or did they learn their business acumen from watching reruns of "The Office"?
have you ever done work for Microsoft that's know publicly. The last time I looked at en24 Windypops was doing interviews, maybe just maybe the devs read the interview and scene the connection to en24.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2011.07.07 12:16:00 -
[51]
Originally by: riverini
Edited by: riverini on 06/07/2011 19:52:58
EN24, your invitation somehow got "lost" along all the hate mail
Many of our readers have been questioning why we haven't covered the much touted CCP press conference, truth is that we weren't informed of it, and we were like cool, we got so much **** to write about and other sites has been covering it.
Grammar is your friend, mister editor-in-chief.
Quote:
- We won't cover the Press conference Q/A grounded on two facts:
- Since we weren't invited, we deducted that it wasn't in CCP's best interests to have EN24 covering the PR op despite being the third biggest Eve Online news site and the third Biggest eve related site after Eve-Kill.net and Dotlan.
Nice deducting - but it sounds like assuming to me. You're painting yourself into an anti-CCP corner rather than offering any kind of fair and balanced reporting.
Quote:
- Secondly, Eve News24 features mostly "original content", the coverage of this has been handled by "professional news sites"
Oh, so you just post whatever is spoon-fed to you, you don't actually try and cover any stories with actual effort on your part.
Quote:
Is it our desire to state that we wish the success of CCP's "vision" for the Eve Online...
I don't know, is it?
Quote:
Finally we would like to state that Internet Spaceships are Serious Business.
Riverini
Editor in chief
Eve News24
Indeed, serious business this internet spaceship thing. If you were in it for anything other than the advertising revenue, your site might be able to grow past being the 3rd biggest Eve news site.
"Here's your sign..."
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Nuala Reece
Caldari
TROJAN LEGIONS
TROJAN.
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Posted - 2011.07.07 12:58:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Nuala Reece on 07/07/2011 13:04:48
Originally by: riverini
Start me paying top bucks for coverage and we'll get pro :P
No one's expecting you to be professionals, just competent amateurs. So far you're just amateurs and what you produce isn't news.
News is fact checked. News seeks comment and offers a right of reply to those it covers. News attributes opinion and makes a clear distinction between opinion and that which can be verified as fact. Maybe you have been doing some of these things (even if it is via someone not related to EN24 talking to someone not employed by CCP ) but if you're not including that information in your articles then you're just publishing unsubstantiated speculation and biased opinion, not news.
News is not just releasing a leaked newsletter with a bit of commentary about what you think it means - news is finding out what the context of the newsletter is, finding out why someone wanted to leak it and why they leaked it to you, finding out what CCP think of the fact it was leaked and how they see the newsletter themselves, and then printing all that with the newsletter (assuming that it's still newsworthy by that point, which in my view it wouldn't have been). You printed a very inflammatory 'man bites dog' story about a leaked newsletter showing [your opinion of] how CCP planned to introduce all sorts of game breaking stuff into Eve, and the community went predictably nuts. If you'd taken the time to send and read a handful of emails in the days or weeks you had the newsletter before Incarna you might have found you had a much different 'dog bites man' story about how CCP encouraged it's employees to brainstorm, debate and discuss ideas before making policy decisions. But with that perspective, gained from being competent at producing news, you might have been able to see the real story about how upset people were at the unexpected high price of items on the NeX Store and how the CSM felt they'd not been properly consulted. You could have covered that. That would have been news.
Oh, and news owns up to its mistakes and prints corrections when they've been made. When CCP blogged about the newsletter and what it was for you had the opportunity to own up to your mistake - you could have printed a correction noting how you'd released it without finding out what it really was. You could even have saved face by covering it again with comment from CCP as if you were just continuing the story you'd started but doing it better that time. But instead you just released another unverified leak accompanied by more unsubstantiated opinion and just made the situation worse. And when Eve Tribune pointed out that the date stamp on your leaked email showed it was sent before the 'Fearless' newsletter was available to the community Linkage you could have printed a correction again, but apparently chose not to as the flames of growing rage rose on the official forums and in the game itself.
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Nuala Reece
Caldari
TROJAN LEGIONS
TROJAN.
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Posted - 2011.07.07 13:01:00 -
[53]
Like many though, I use EN24 to try and find out what's going on in New Eden and with CCP, even knowing that it's awash with opinion and propaganda since much of the material on the site is submitted by the people involved rather than by impartial people finding out what's really happening. I'd love EN24 to be a good source of reliable news. But this, then, is the challenge for you riverini. You won't make any friends by running a trustworthy news site - that's why Eve Guardian closed down however many years ago, it was hard work for them to investigate and print what was actually going on in Eve, as the real story often doesn't match up with the stories the alliances involved would like to be told. So you get to choose - are you content for EN24 to be used as a vehicle for alliances to drop their propaganda in your lap for you to print, or for disgruntled CCP employees to play out their grudge on your frontpage rather than showing their employer some respect and dealing with their issues internally. Or do you want EN24 to be respected by the community as a source of news we can trust to be, dare I say it, fair and balanced?
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Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2011.07.07 13:04:00 -
[54]
Originally by: riverini
despite being the third biggest Eve Online news site and the third Biggest eve related site after Eve-Kill.net and Dotlan.
So you think Dotlan and eve-kill are news sites? Doesn't surprise me tbh.
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Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
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Posted - 2011.07.08 12:38:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Doddy
Originally by: riverini
despite being the third biggest Eve Online news site and the third Biggest eve related site after Eve-Kill.net and Dotlan.
So you think Dotlan and eve-kill are news sites? Doesn't surprise me tbh.
He said "eve related" sites, genius |
daddys helper
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Posted - 2011.07.08 13:49:00 -
[56]
after the way you spun the fearless story, are you in the least bit surprised?
really, Geraldo Rivera has more journalistic integrity than you do.
I mean really? doctoring the newsletter to remove everything but what you wanted us to read?
removing the print functionality from the PDF for some unknown reason
omitting certain key facts...
hell I might as well make a forum post whining that I didn't get an invite either. |
Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.07.08 14:24:00 -
[57]
Despite the fact that everyone here hates EN24 they appear to read it on a regular basis just to hate on it.  |
Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:44:00 -
[58]
ITT there's no one to hang because no one bore the bad news.
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Raquel Smith
Caldari
Freedom-Technologies
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:54:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Nuala Reece
Edited by: Nuala Reece on 07/07/2011 13:04:48
Originally by: riverini
Start me paying top bucks for coverage and we'll get pro :P
No one's expecting you to be professionals, just competent amateurs. So far you're just amateurs and what you produce isn't news.
News is fact checked. News seeks comment and offers a right of reply to those it covers. News attributes opinion and makes a clear distinction between opinion and that which can be verified as fact. Maybe you have been doing some of these things (even if it is via someone not related to EN24 talking to someone not employed by CCP ) but if you're not including that information in your articles then you're just publishing unsubstantiated speculation and biased opinion, not news.
News is not just releasing a leaked newsletter with a bit of commentary about what you think it means - news is finding out what the context of the newsletter is, finding out why someone wanted to leak it and why they leaked it to you, finding out what CCP think of the fact it was leaked and how they see the newsletter themselves, and then printing all that with the newsletter (assuming that it's still newsworthy by that point, which in my view it wouldn't have been). You printed a very inflammatory 'man bites dog' story about a leaked newsletter showing [your opinion of] how CCP planned to introduce all sorts of game breaking stuff into Eve, and the community went predictably nuts. If you'd taken the time to send and read a handful of emails in the days or weeks you had the newsletter before Incarna you might have found you had a much different 'dog bites man' story about how CCP encouraged it's employees to brainstorm, debate and discuss ideas before making policy decisions. But with that perspective, gained from being competent at producing news, you might have been able to see the real story about how upset people were at the unexpected high price of items on the NeX Store and how the CSM felt they'd not been properly consulted. You could have covered that. That would have been news.
Oh, and news owns up to its mistakes and prints corrections when they've been made. When CCP blogged about the newsletter and what it was for you had the opportunity to own up to your mistake - you could have printed a correction noting how you'd released it without finding out what it really was. You could even have saved face by covering it again with comment from CCP as if you were just continuing the story you'd started but doing it better that time. But instead you just released another unverified leak accompanied by more unsubstantiated opinion and just made the situation worse. And when Eve Tribune pointed out that the date stamp on your leaked email showed it was sent before the 'Fearless' newsletter was available to the community Linkage you could have printed a correction again, but apparently chose not to as the flames of growing rage rose on the official forums and in the game itself.
You deserve many kudos for a well thought out post as you have very aptly pointed out the many flaws in EN24's bogus "journalism." |
BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
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Posted - 2011.07.08 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ezra Vouland
You guys are relevant as Fox anyways
Wow...That's a big compliment to EVE24.
Fox News is the #1 top cable news channel and has the #1 ranked shows in primetime...But you knew that already. |
Sordeo Regius
Wrecking Shots
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Posted - 2011.07.08 17:38:00 -
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You're sort of the 'National Enquirer' or 'The Sun' of Eve news reporting. You sound mad bro, that you were not invited. |
Northern Trading
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Posted - 2011.07.08 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Riedle
Originally by: Doddy
Originally by: riverini
despite being the third biggest Eve Online news site and the third Biggest eve related site after Eve-Kill.net and Dotlan.
So you think Dotlan and eve-kill are news sites? Doesn't surprise me tbh.
He said "eve related" sites, genius
How can there only be two "EVE related" (That aren't news sites) sites bigger than them, if they're the third biggest EVE news site?
That would make them the fifth biggest EVE related site, not third.
Moar spin from Mrs Drama Queen. |
Nuala Reece
Caldari
TROJAN LEGIONS
TROJAN.
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Posted - 2011.07.10 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Nuala Reece on 10/07/2011 18:11:47
Originally by: Raquel Smith
You deserve many kudos for a well thought out post as you have very aptly pointed out the many flaws in EN24's bogus "journalism."
Cheers  I thought about staging a one man protest in Jita by shooting at something and spamming local in all caps with something like 'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!', but then I thought maybe I'd just point out that EN24, during the course of the last two and a half weeks, has printed several false claims about CCP (on their own page and at the top of this thread) but has still offered no meaningful correction, admission of error or apology for misleading their readers. The hypocrisy of attacking CCP for their perceived arrogance while bringing their own arrogant assumptions to the official forums, after failing so completely to meet even the most basic standards of journalism, was something I couldn't ignore. |
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