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Samantha Rockpile
Caldari
Debitum Naturae
Drop the Hammer
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Posted - 2011.07.07 21:35:00 -
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Edited by: Samantha Rockpile on 07/07/2011 21:36:05
Well i was living with the changes we have all encountered in the past few weeks. Had no comments about it even though my laptop could no longer run it being a gforce 6200 series. And as we all know the requirements for incarna have eliminated that series of card as completely supported. Fine im all with the advancement of graphics and such. But on the other hand im also not rich but luckily I had a 7600GS running in my desktop. That was running fine and I knew i could never duel box on it but fine ill log for multiple accounts.
Till yesterday to my dismay upon trying to log into eve My ENTire screen went FUNKY Green and then froze up.
Now I had to go buy a cheapo just to get online and THANK CCP for FRYING MY GPU!!!!
My GPU never ran over 72 before incarna but after well lets just say i prolly didn't need my oven for frying eggs.
Thanks a lot guys I know i don't have top of the line gear but I would have at least liked to have known you expansion was gonna ruin my pc.
I am going to submit a report as well but just wanted to warn you Legacy runners out there to keep an eye on temps.
Worst part is I got skills ending soon on two accounts and cant reup my training.
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Maduin Ardens
Aurelius Federation
Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.07.07 21:38:00 -
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I ran my SLI card from 4-5 years ago into the ground until one of them gave out and I had to rely on just the single card.
I played 4-5 hours a day for 4-5 years, do you see me blaming anyone but myself for overtaxing my GPU?
NO, so please, please, go away.
Also, you do realize components go bad on their own right?
FFS where do you people come from with this stuff, I bet you barely know the first thing about computer hardware to begin with.
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The Drill
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Posted - 2011.07.07 21:43:00 -
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You go away I know Plenty seeing as I built this from the MB up So go Troll some other post seeing as it took you two second to reply to my post.
I use Aidia Extreem 64 to monitor all my component and always know my temps so for you to come in here and tell me my temps didnt go up after incarna as anyone you ask will mention how CPU and all went up with the expansion.
EVEN CCP MORON as they are updating the REQ's
FAILMORE TROLL?
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Morganta
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Posted - 2011.07.07 21:44:00 -
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7600GS
Q4-2006
400mhz clock speed
400mhz DDR2
PASSIVE COOLING (depending on the manufacturer)
sadly that card would have trouble running lots of games as its a gimped 7600GT.
still doesn't excuse the overheating issue
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Samantha Rockpile
Caldari
Debitum Naturae
Drop the Hammer
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Posted - 2011.07.07 21:46:00 -
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And how am i overtaxing my GPU if its well withing the Req's?
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Maduin Ardens
Aurelius Federation
Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.07.07 21:47:00 -
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 Originally by: The Drill
You go away I know Plenty seeing as I built this from the MB up So go Troll some other post seeing as it took you two second to reply to my post.
I use Aidia Extreem 64 to monitor all my component and always know my temps so for you to come in here and tell me my temps didnt go up after incarna as anyone you ask will mention how CPU and all went up with the expansion.
EVEN CCP MORON as they are updating the REQ's
FAILMORE TROLL?
You do realize that a thousand and one people also clamored that it was the end of the world that CCP owed them billions of dollars when they cut out the Classic client a few years ago, right?
Do you go to Dell.com and send them hate mail because they won't sell you computer with 8" floppy drives anymore?
I am sick of all the bellyaching, ffs, CCP nor any dev company in the world is not responsible for wear and tear on your equipment. I bet you if you read the EULA closely enough there are even clauses pertaining to it, so good luck.
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San Severina
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.07 21:47:00 -
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that's what you get for alpha testing a c r a p product & paying for the pleasure.
I have a pretty high end machine & it still runs hot in CQ, it's really unacceptable.
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.07.07 21:48:00 -
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Consumer grade GFs are not build to withstand continuos max usage like "furmark" for example. Now, Incarna does indeed tax the GPU more then it should probably.
BUT...if you saw your temps, why not clock it down? Or go for better cooling?
A card doesnt fail like that, you have to tax it quite a bit. I know most prebuild PCs are not really well cooled, and its summer, so Incarna could melt them fast without ppl realizing whats going on.
But CCP is only partly to blame here. Sure they should have optimized it better, but you are responsible for YOUR RIG, sufficient cooling and stuff.
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Ein Phantom
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Posted - 2011.07.07 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Maduin Ardens
Originally by: The Drill
You go away I know Plenty seeing as I built this from the MB up So go Troll some other post seeing as it took you two second to reply to my post.
I use Aidia Extreem 64 to monitor all my component and always know my temps so for you to come in here and tell me my temps didnt go up after incarna as anyone you ask will mention how CPU and all went up with the expansion.
EVEN CCP MORON as they are updating the REQ's
FAILMORE TROLL?
You do realize that a thousand and one people also clamored that it was the end of the world that CCP owed them billions of dollars when they cut out the Classic client a few years ago, right?
Do you go to Dell.com and send them hate mail because they won't sell you computer with 8" floppy drives anymore?
I am sick of all the bellyaching, ffs, CCP nor any dev company in the world is not responsible for wear and tear on your equipment. I bet you if you read the EULA closely enough there are even clauses pertaining to it, so good luck.
If you have nothing to contribute to the thread, please refrain from commenting.
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Maduin Ardens
Aurelius Federation
Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.07.07 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Maduin Ardens on 07/07/2011 21:52:22
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Consumer grade GFs are not build to withstand continuos max usage like "furmark" for example. Now, Incarna does indeed tax the GPU more then it should probably.
BUT...if you saw your temps, why not clock it down? Or go for better cooling?
A card doesnt fail like that, you have to tax it quite a bit. I know most prebuild PCs are not really well cooled, and its summer, so Incarna could melt them fast without ppl realizing whats going on.
But CCP is only partly to blame here. Sure they should have optimized it better, but you are responsible for YOUR RIG, sufficient cooling and stuff.
Exactly this, ^
You just are somehow able to say it without the blinding rage that comes through when I try to say it,  I lost a SLI card because I dual boxed EVE clients on the same port back in the day for years, it was my fault, no one else's, I knew I should have been using both cards, but it gave me trouble for some reason I don't recall, so I just bit the bullet and ran it into the ground.
I did not subsequently come in here to get on a soap box clamoring about what I already knew, I ran it too hard and fast and it failed on me, surprise!
Originally by: Ein Phantom
If you have nothing to contribute to the thread, please refrain from commenting.
This thread doesn't even belong in this section to begin with.
And I added plenty, namely that this isn't the first time that hundreds of people have cried foul claiming CCP ruined their lives because they are keeping up with technology (maybe not as well they should) but you can't add content to a game without adding overhead, and it builds up over time no matter how robust your code is.
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B00T INI
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Posted - 2011.07.07 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
But CCP is only partly to blame here. Sure they should have optimized it better, but you are responsible for YOUR RIG, sufficient cooling and stuff.
CCP have admitted it is horribly in need of optimising and the number of people reporting alarming strain on their GPU's which otherwise run highly demanding games suggests it is entirely up to CCP to sort this issue out. Thankfully they are, we just have to wait. In the meantime no amount of cooling 'solves' the issue.
http://i.imgur.com/POT6K.jpg
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Morganta
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Posted - 2011.07.07 21:52:00 -
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actually the chipset is rated for 560mhz (7600GT) but on the GS its clocked back to 400mhz so they can use cheaper DDR2 memory instead of the GDDR3 the 7600GT uses.
so even overclocked it should have been able to handle the heat, now the memory may have not been able to handle the overclocking and also the GT uses an active cooler due to the higher clock speeds and many GS cards just have a heatsync
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muhuh Aihaken
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Posted - 2011.07.07 21:52:00 -
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Install proper cooling so your hardware can run maxed out without overheating.
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Telvani
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
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Posted - 2011.07.07 21:52:00 -
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The door did what?
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.07.07 21:53:00 -
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Because of Door.
Originally by: CCP Zulu
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Ein Phantom
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Posted - 2011.07.07 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Maduin Ardens
Edited by: Maduin Ardens on 07/07/2011 21:52:22
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Consumer grade GFs are not build to withstand continuos max usage like "furmark" for example. Now, Incarna does indeed tax the GPU more then it should probably.
BUT...if you saw your temps, why not clock it down? Or go for better cooling?
A card doesnt fail like that, you have to tax it quite a bit. I know most prebuild PCs are not really well cooled, and its summer, so Incarna could melt them fast without ppl realizing whats going on.
But CCP is only partly to blame here. Sure they should have optimized it better, but you are responsible for YOUR RIG, sufficient cooling and stuff.
Exactly this, ^
You just are somehow able to say it without the blinding rage that comes through when I try to say it, I lost a SLI card because I dual boxed EVE clients on the same port back in the day for years, it was my fault, no one else's, I knew I should have been using both cards, but it gave me trouble for some reason I don't recall, so I just bit the bullet and ran it into the ground.
I did not subsequently come in here to get on a soap box clamoring about what I already knew, I ran it too hard and fast and it failed on me, surprise!
Originally by: Ein Phantom
If you have nothing to contribute to the thread, please refrain from commenting.
This thread doesn't even belong in this section to begin with.
And I added plenty, namely that this isn't the first time that hundreds of people have cried foul claiming CCP ruined their lives because they are keeping up with technology (maybe not as well they should) but you can't add content to a game without adding overhead, and it builds up over time no matter how robust your code is.
Please refrain from make generalized comments about a player's individual experiences. It is rude.
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Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.07.07 21:56:00 -
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By public misunderstanding. EvE didnt fry your GPU. In best case nVidia in your case designed it wrongly on purpose. AMD/ATI does the same before anyone comments it.
Unlike CPUs, GPUs on the desktop cant run a true heavy 100% load. They usually fix this by adding idle states in drivers, current controllers to the boards and so on. For example the HD6xxx even throttles down in clock.
The only GPUs rated to perform 100% is the nVidia Tesla cards. Try compare the Tesla card with a equal Geforce card. See TDP and cuda cores etc. Yep, quite a big humm! Point is the Tesla card can run a true heavy 100% load.
The code graphics cards usually run is light to medium. Hence within the limit. And you push the cards speeds faster to gain more for less. And if a game or application (furmark) uses your GPU more. You simply nerf it in drivers.
The upside is your cards run 20-25% faster. Downside is you sometimes pushes them beyond specs.
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Maduin Ardens
Aurelius Federation
Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.07.07 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ein Phantom
Please refrain from make generalized comments about a player's individual experiences. It is rude.
How naive, lol.
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.07.07 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 07/07/2011 22:04:03
Originally by: B00T INI
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
But CCP is only partly to blame here. Sure they should have optimized it better, but you are responsible for YOUR RIG, sufficient cooling and stuff.
CCP have admitted it is horribly in need of optimising and the number of people reporting alarming strain on their GPU's which otherwise run highly demanding games suggests it is entirely up to CCP to sort this issue out. Thankfully they are, we just have to wait. In the meantime no amount of cooling 'solves' the issue.
http://i.imgur.com/POT6K.jpg
Sry to proof you wrong, i run 3 clients here. I cool my components down with additional case-fans (fancontroler), i do that for every highperformance game. When i do office i want a quiet rig (i disable case-fans and clock the card down).
Its absolutely possible, but most ppl don't go that far with their rigs and pay no attention to temps, and i don't blame them. Go to your vendor and blame THEM, they should have build the rig with sufficient cooling.
EDIT: oh, and don't forget i already said CCP should optimize Incarna to not strain the hardware to max, at least not by default.
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Maduin Ardens
Aurelius Federation
Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.07.07 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Shintai
By public misunderstanding. EvE didnt fry your GPU. In best case nVidia in your case designed it wrongly on purpose. AMD/ATI does the same before anyone comments it.
Unlike CPUs, GPUs on the desktop cant run a true heavy 100% load. They usually fix this by adding idle states in drivers, current controllers to the boards and so on. For example the HD6xxx even throttles down in clock.
The only GPUs rated to perform 100% is the nVidia Tesla cards. Try compare the Tesla card with a equal Geforce card. See TDP and cuda cores etc. Yep, quite a big humm! Point is the Tesla card can run a true heavy 100% load.
The code graphics cards usually run is light to medium. Hence within the limit. And you push the cards speeds faster to gain more for less. And if a game or application (furmark) uses your GPU more. You simply nerf it in drivers.
The upside is your cards run 20-25% faster. Downside is you sometimes pushes them beyond specs.
I know a number of major TV manufacturers that do this with their drip pans, my ex used to take escalated calls all day from people trying to make claims on their warranties because the drip pan fried the circuitry in their big screen TV, she wasn't able to inform them that in fact, it was designed to have a set life cycle of 4-5 years which closely matched the warranty, i.e. the manufacturer banked on the circuitry lasting for only so long.
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The Drill
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Posted - 2011.07.07 22:05:00 -
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As a side note im not raging or crying I just think it should be pointed out that even though they are calling 7300 and up the req you may still be in danger take it more as a heads up then anything else.
An Also just to mention it I did no OC'ing myself as I knew it was at its limit already.
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.07.07 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Maduin Ardens
Originally by: Shintai
By public misunderstanding. EvE didnt fry your GPU. In best case nVidia in your case designed it wrongly on purpose. AMD/ATI does the same before anyone comments it.
Unlike CPUs, GPUs on the desktop cant run a true heavy 100% load. They usually fix this by adding idle states in drivers, current controllers to the boards and so on. For example the HD6xxx even throttles down in clock.
The only GPUs rated to perform 100% is the nVidia Tesla cards. Try compare the Tesla card with a equal Geforce card. See TDP and cuda cores etc. Yep, quite a big humm! Point is the Tesla card can run a true heavy 100% load.
The code graphics cards usually run is light to medium. Hence within the limit. And you push the cards speeds faster to gain more for less. And if a game or application (furmark) uses your GPU more. You simply nerf it in drivers.
The upside is your cards run 20-25% faster. Downside is you sometimes pushes them beyond specs.
I know a number of major TV manufacturers that do this with their drip pans, my ex used to take escalated calls all day from people trying to make claims on their warranties because the drip pan fried the circuitry in their big screen TV, she wasn't able to inform them that in fact, it was designed to have a set life cycle of 4-5 years which closely matched the warranty, i.e. the manufacturer banked on the circuitry lasting for only so long.
Well, thats standard, electronics are made to barely make the warranty time anyways. The few that get overused get replaced, its not such a big deal, and all the others have to rebuy shortly after.
If you are really carefull you can get out a few more years then warranty-time, but you have to know what to do.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.07.07 22:06:00 -
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1: Incarna code needs to be optimized in general, especially for certain cards.
2: Unfortunately this opens the door to people point a finger at Incarna any time they have a graphics card fail now, regardless of cause.
I'm not point fingers in either direction, just stating facts.
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Samantha Rockpile
Caldari
Debitum Naturae
Drop the Hammer
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Posted - 2011.07.07 22:07:00 -
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As a side note im not raging or crying I just think it should be pointed out that even though they are calling 7300 and up the req you may still be in danger take it more as a heads up then anything else.
An Also just to mention it I did no OC'ing myself as I knew it was at its limit already.
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Ein Phantom
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Posted - 2011.07.07 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Maduin Ardens
Originally by: Shintai
By public misunderstanding. EvE didnt fry your GPU. In best case nVidia in your case designed it wrongly on purpose. AMD/ATI does the same before anyone comments it.
Unlike CPUs, GPUs on the desktop cant run a true heavy 100% load. They usually fix this by adding idle states in drivers, current controllers to the boards and so on. For example the HD6xxx even throttles down in clock.
The only GPUs rated to perform 100% is the nVidia Tesla cards. Try compare the Tesla card with a equal Geforce card. See TDP and cuda cores etc. Yep, quite a big humm! Point is the Tesla card can run a true heavy 100% load.
The code graphics cards usually run is light to medium. Hence within the limit. And you push the cards speeds faster to gain more for less. And if a game or application (furmark) uses your GPU more. You simply nerf it in drivers.
The upside is your cards run 20-25% faster. Downside is you sometimes pushes them beyond specs.
I know a number of major TV manufacturers that do this with their drip pans, my ex used to take escalated calls all day from people trying to make claims on their warranties because the drip pan fried the circuitry in their big screen TV, she wasn't able to inform them that in fact, it was designed to have a set life cycle of 4-5 years which closely matched the warranty, i.e. the manufacturer banked on the circuitry lasting for only so long.
Please refrain from intentionally derailing the topic of the OP. It is impolite.
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Xaelix Sativa
Caldari
Killers.R.Us
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Posted - 2011.07.07 22:08:00 -
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In the span of 4 years, I've had 4 GPU's fail while playing EVE. First I thought it was my cooling, then I thought it was my wiring, then I realized every one of those cards was an EVGA card. So I bought a PNY after my 8800 went into full-artifact mode and I'll never, ever buy an EVGA GPU again.
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OMGWTFResearch
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Posted - 2011.07.07 22:10:00 -
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Running a passive card in a heavy environment like EVE = Epic fail. Passive cards need cooling air from the hard drive bay fan (Which many computers lack) to stay cool.
Stop blaming CCP for your failure to know how to cool your system.
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Maduin Ardens
Aurelius Federation
Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.07.07 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Well, thats standard, electronics are made to barely make the warranty time anyways. The few that get overused get replaced, its not such a big deal, and all the others have to rebuy shortly after.
If you are really carefull you can get out a few more years then warranty-time, but you have to know what to do.
P.s. printers are the worst, they have build in a chip that counts print-cycles, and after X prints brings an error. You can reset the chip if you know how, but its a prime example how this stuff works, and i always wonder how ppl tolerate it. 
Yea, that's why I wasn't too shocked when my GPU gave out after 4-5 years, I got my money out of it, was time to get a new one.
Oooooh I didn't know that about printers tho, that's very interesting, learn something new everyday, thank you Gwen! :)
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The Drill
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Posted - 2011.07.07 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: The Drill on 07/07/2011 22:25:25
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K'iran
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Posted - 2011.07.07 22:22:00 -
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My 4870X2 goes into massive overdrive when I load incarna, only thing that works is very low settings which be default make it a useless thing in the first place. And that's just 1 account. So I do hope the "I can't be fekked with incarna" tick box stays in the game.
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Samantha Rockpile
Caldari
Debitum Naturae
Drop the Hammer
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Posted - 2011.07.07 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: OMGWTFResearch
Running a passive card in a heavy environment like EVE = Epic fail. Passive cards need cooling air from the hard drive bay fan (Which many computers lack) to stay cool.
Stop blaming CCP for your failure to know how to cool your system.
Sorry Wasnt a passivefirst off and if you read any of my post you would know it was running at 72 before incarna as already stated. This was not a cooling issue before incarna as I HAVE stated already kinda the point of the thread.
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Maduin Ardens
Aurelius Federation
Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.07.07 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Maduin Ardens on 07/07/2011 22:26:12
Originally by: The Drill
Originally by: OMGWTFResearch
Running a passive card in a heavy environment like EVE = Epic fail. Passive cards need cooling air from the hard drive bay fan (Which many computers lack) to stay cool.
Stop blaming CCP for your failure to know how to cool your system.
Sorry Wasnt a passivefirst off and if you read any of my post you would know it was running at 72 before incarna as already stated. This was not a cooling issue before incarna as I HAVE stated already kinda the point of the thread.
I went to an oil change place 6-7 years ago and they replaced my fuel filter with one that wasn't fit for my vehicle, and to keep the line in place they used a computer zip tie. Needless to say, I was leaving for work the following morning and it popped off, i.e. my vehicle started spewing gas furiously, which is ya know, kind of extremely dangerous with a running engine.
Anyways, we called corporate since it was a national chain, and asked them to simply pay the $600 it cost to get it all fixed (entire fuel line had to be replaced) and you know what? They laughed at us. If I had money, we would have sued them for reckless endangerment, but I didn't, so I let it go, I just absolutely never go to those chains anymore and tell everyone I can about what happened.
SO, what do you think the chances are of you not only proving to CCP that it was absolutely and unequivocally their fault that your GPU burned up, and that they are going to even do anything about it? Cuz I had undeniable proof in hand, literally, and I got squat, not even an admission of wrongdoing.
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Ein Phantom
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Posted - 2011.07.07 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Maduin Ardens
Edited by: Maduin Ardens on 07/07/2011 22:26:12
Originally by: The Drill
Originally by: OMGWTFResearch
Running a passive card in a heavy environment like EVE = Epic fail. Passive cards need cooling air from the hard drive bay fan (Which many computers lack) to stay cool.
Stop blaming CCP for your failure to know how to cool your system.
Sorry Wasnt a passivefirst off and if you read any of my post you would know it was running at 72 before incarna as already stated. This was not a cooling issue before incarna as I HAVE stated already kinda the point of the thread.
I went to an oil change place 6-7 years ago and they replaced my fuel filter with one that wasn't fit for my vehicle, and to keep the line in place they used a computer zip tie. Needless to say, I was leaving for work the following morning and it popped off, i.e. my vehicle started spewing gas furiously, which is ya know, kind of extremely dangerous with a running engine.
Anyways, we called corporate since it was a national chain, and asked them to simply pay the $600 it cost to get it all fixed (entire fuel line had to be replaced) and you know what? They laughed at us. If I had money, we would have sued them for reckless endangerment, but I didn't, so I let it go, I just absolutely never go to those chains anymore and tell everyone I can about what happened.
SO, what do you think the chances are of you not only proving to CCP that it was absolutely and unequivocally their fault that your GPU burned up, and that they are going to even do anything about it? Cuz I had undeniable proof in hand, literally, and I got squat, not even an admission of wrongdoing.
Please refrain from derailing the thread. It is pathetic.
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Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.07.07 22:28:00 -
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learn the lesson, learn the lesson well
BeNvidia - money spent on garbage and advertising
Also - if your card burns out - 1) voltage fault 2) excessive heat. Dust, heat, smoke, moisture - the enemies of the hardware. CCP has nothing to do with failing video cards. If you could cool it sufficiently it would not burn out.
Finally, what brand of video card. If it is colorsys, palit, his it is no surprise. It's a surprise to have them in working condition right out of the box. They fail within 1-12 months anyway.
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Kumq uat
Gallente
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.07 22:30:00 -
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I run an ATI 5870 which is quite the big boy card but I will not let CQ run on it for fear it will fry an over 300 dollar card. Kinda sad
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Oregami Ultd
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Posted - 2011.07.07 22:37:00 -
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Incarna needs lower requirements to run properly, and players are responsible for watching their computer hardware. /thread
Also, making threads about this isn't helping the fact that you eventually should upgrade your system. I just bought a 6870 "$180" usd, for my brother. If you have a job, parents, or can do 9 side jobs for 20 bucks, it's not that expensive considering.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.07 22:38:00 -
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If you were running even close to 70 pre incarna you are lucky it wasn't already fried.
I don't know what to say about this if you aint trolling.
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Valkmar
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Posted - 2011.07.07 22:50:00 -
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ive been running with a gtx 275 for nearly 2 years and that runs from anything between 50 - 100 degrees depending on the game and never had any problems. Pretty sure that you cannot ''fry'' your GPU in such a short space of time so just go away trollybollywolly.
If true. Just upgrading your GPU for about ú100 or less wnt break the bank . Cheap, decent cards on ebuyer or ebay. Its not like CQ is even that intense on GPUs. Or at least cards that are not 5 or 6 years old anyway.
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Posted - 2011.07.07 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Edgar Loke on 07/07/2011 22:53:15
Originally by: Kumq uat
I run an ATI 5870 which is quite the big boy card but I will not let CQ run on it for fear it will fry an over 300 dollar card. Kinda sad
Doesn't ATI offer lifetime warranties on their cards? If the card kills itself and the card is carried under ATI's warranty then you shouldn't need to worry about it. If Incarna kills your card, then it was going to happen sooner than you thought anyways.
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Oh god my eyes! Seriously people clean your freaking towers out! This is what kills your components. Its like running your car with no oil change for a year or two and then blaming the guys that made the roads when the engine locks up.
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Maduin Ardens
Aurelius Federation
Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.07.07 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: Maduin Ardens on 07/07/2011 23:11:07
Originally by: Edgar Loke
Edited by: Edgar Loke on 07/07/2011 22:53:15
Originally by: Kumq uat
I run an ATI 5870 which is quite the big boy card but I will not let CQ run on it for fear it will fry an over 300 dollar card. Kinda sad
Doesn't ATI offer lifetime warranties on their cards? If the card kills itself and the card is carried under ATI's warranty then you shouldn't need to worry about it. If Incarna kills your card, then it was going to happen sooner than you thought anyways.
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Oh god my eyes! Seriously people clean your freaking towers out! This is what kills your components. Its like running your car with no oil change for a year or two and then blaming the guys that made the roads when the engine locks up.
It's possible, but it's one-time only I'm sure, same as XBOX replacement warranty.
Bunch of folks blow hundreds of dollars on XBOX360, it redlines within a week, XBOX replaces it, it redlines again, from then on Microsoft tells them where they can shove it unless they start chucking out some money, a very sad state of affairs for a lot of unlucky people... that's why I waited to get mine until the Halo 2 SE came out, because it was using the new generation of hardware that supposedly didn't have the redline problem.
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Reloadin
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Posted - 2011.07.07 23:37:00 -
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Have to state once again that if you can't run your CPU and GPU at 100% then something is wrong with your hardware or cooling setup. Just because a card comes with a nice big shiny heatsink and omg listen to that fan doesn't mean it's going to achieve anything in a poorly ventilated case.
Furmark is probably the most popular GPU stress tester. Run that for 10-15 mins to test stability and overclocks. Once it seems stable keep it going for a couple of hours to make sure.
http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/fur/
Once you're up and running with a stable config get a program like MSI Afterburner to actively monitor temps and usage.
http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/download.htm
While you're at it might as well test the CPU as well. Prime95 is probably one of the more popular multicore stress testing programs.
There's no reason to blame anyone but yourself for cpu/gpu overheating problems, it just shows typical user igrnorance.
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Uglavitch Nefrex
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.07.07 23:42:00 -
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CCP will never admit liability no point posting this.
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Frank Truck
ACME Mineral and Gas
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Posted - 2011.07.07 23:46:00 -
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I stuck a high end GPU in a crappy off the shelf computer with stock cooling and it fried...
Really, why waste money on those gaming computers, you don't need upgraded cooling, that is just for rich geeks.
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Kumq uat
Gallente
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.07 23:52:00 -
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Yeah, I really don't want to fry out my card on my only form of entertainment in my apartment I have along with my grad school work I do on it.
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ToolPhucker
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Posted - 2011.07.08 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Samantha Rockpile
And how am i overtaxing my GPU if its well withing the Req's?
If your not rolling with proper cooling or your system isnt clean. That also being said you card when properly ventalated and/or cooled should happily run at 100% for hours and hours adn hours.
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VAsh Ozuwara
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Posted - 2011.07.08 02:10:00 -
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it is always a good idea to monitor your system. never just assume that everything is fine.
it would be a great idea to grab EVGA precision or MSI Afterburner and set up the OSD to show stuff like your gpu usage and temps, along with FPS. not only will this help you fine tune your settings for what your card is capable of, it will let you know if you are overheating.
as others have said, the best thing you can do for your system is to provide proper cooling to the components that need it. "just cause" it was not topping over 72 before is not a good way to benchmark your cooling performance.
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Ava n'Daara
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Posted - 2011.07.08 02:19:00 -
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Pry the sheild off of your graphics card and recoil in horror at all the dust inside that wouldn't otherwise blow out. Suddenly you'll realize the frying is your fault and you'll never have that problem again.
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Cassidy Dee
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Posted - 2011.07.08 02:29:00 -
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GPU core temperature has nothing whatsoever to do with the software running, only utilization, cooling mechanisms, airflow/waterflow, ambient temperatures etc. "CQ runs at 100% and this other game runs at 100% and CQ is hotter!". When you say these things, we know you are lying.
Why is it everyone thinks theres some magic API ccp is calling. ATI.OvereatLOL. Seriously.
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Maduin Ardens
Aurelius Federation
Eternal Evocations
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Posted - 2011.07.08 02:38:00 -
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Edited by: Maduin Ardens on 08/07/2011 02:38:29
Originally by: Cassidy Dee
GPU core temperature has nothing whatsoever to do with the software running, only utilization, cooling mechanisms, airflow/waterflow, ambient temperatures etc. "CQ runs at 100% and this other game runs at 100% and CQ is hotter!". When you say these things, we know you are lying.
Why is it everyone thinks theres some magic API ccp is calling. ATI.OvereatLOL. Seriously.
It's easier for them to blame it on things they don't understand, human nature and all that, if the herd dies, it must be a witch, so let's grab the pitchforks and go hunting kinda thing.
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Enforcer guard
Space Marine Academy
Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2011.07.08 02:40:00 -
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My XFX Radeon 5870 runs EVE at max without any heat problems
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Rumple Fourskin
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Posted - 2011.07.08 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: K'iran
My 4870X2 goes into massive overdrive when I load incarna, only thing that works is very low settings which be default make it a useless thing in the first place. And that's just 1 account. So I do hope the "I can't be fekked with incarna" tick box stays in the game.
hmm thats odd my 4890 runs 2 clients maxed at around 35fps. I dont dare leave the computer idle in that environment. If I want to idle with eve on I undock. With how much people idle with eve running its shameful that the state uses massive amounts of energy. Shame CCP shame. EVE isnt doom3 or crysis, you should think about tdp of your client.
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Rumple Fourskin
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Posted - 2011.07.08 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Cassidy Dee
GPU core temperature has nothing whatsoever to do with the software running, only utilization, cooling mechanisms, airflow/waterflow, ambient temperatures etc. "CQ runs at 100% and this other game runs at 100% and CQ is hotter!". When you say these things, we know you are lying.
Why is it everyone thinks theres some magic API ccp is calling. ATI.OvereatLOL. Seriously.
Thats not true. There are fps caps that game engines put on. There was a recent game that they forgot to do that on the menu page of the game with 3d stuff and it was killing cards.
http://www.blogphotovideo.com/games/starcraft-2-menu-killing-pcs-video-card
How do we know ccp has employed this fps cap?
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daddys helper
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Posted - 2011.07.08 02:52:00 -
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sorry folks, but honestly if you cant go out and spend 20 bucks on a 200 series card you deserve to play pong.
minecrack would stress out the cards you people are clinging on to as though your lives depended on it.
really, 50 bucks less a 30 dollar rebate = 20 bucks for a GT220
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500129&cm_re=gt_220-_-14-500-129-_-Product
no you wont be able to multi-client but you can run the damn game pretty well.
its what I use and I have no complaints.
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Cassidy Dee
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Posted - 2011.07.08 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: Rumple Fourskin
Originally by: Cassidy Dee
GPU core temperature has nothing whatsoever to do with the software running, only utilization, cooling mechanisms, airflow/waterflow, ambient temperatures etc. "CQ runs at 100% and this other game runs at 100% and CQ is hotter!". When you say these things, we know you are lying.
Why is it everyone thinks theres some magic API ccp is calling. ATI.OvereatLOL. Seriously.
Thats not true. There are fps caps that game engines put on. There was a recent game that they forgot to do that on the menu page of the game with 3d stuff and it was killing cards.
http://www.blogphotovideo.com/games/starcraft-2-menu-killing-pcs-video-card
How do we know ccp has employed this fps cap?
Vertical Synch off doesnt overheat your GPU. The bottom line is utilization. Is CQ more resource intesive than it should be? Yes, it uses a lot more GPU than I would have expected. But its not causing heat issues.
Again, there is no magic setting, magic API call, or creole voodoo that causes overheating issues.
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Leona Elum
Save Jita
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Posted - 2011.07.08 03:00:00 -
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Edited by: Leona Elum on 08/07/2011 03:04:12
This happened alot when Blizzard released StarCraft II, and their forums was full of rage to say the least.
I can't say for sure how that played out, but they "got away" I think by referring to the minimum specs.
That said I too notice how my 1 year old GeForce 9800 GT has to work pretty hard ever since Incarna. Even when in space and with the CQ disabled the GPU fan seems to rev more than usual. And when I do enable the CQ it sounds like it's gonna take off, taking the entire casing with it.
Looking to get a GeForce GTX 570 now though (linky), and I'll be damned if that card can't handle it.. 
[ IGB: www.savejita.evezone.org ] |
daddys helper
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Posted - 2011.07.08 03:04:00 -
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people,
just because you bought your card x months ago its still much older
a 9800 a year old?
HA
try 2008
sure duty time matters, but old tech is old tech
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Wreckar
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Posted - 2011.07.08 03:36:00 -
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Edited by: Wreckar on 08/07/2011 03:36:54
Originally by: daddys helper
people,
just because you bought your card x months ago its still much older
a 9800 a year old?
HA
try 2008
sure duty time matters, but old tech is old tech
My 9600gt runs two clients in CQ just fine. No problems with overheating, but then I spent some time on my case and cooling because of hot summers. I'll happily fall soundly asleep with them both idling in CQ.
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P42ALPHA
Gallente
nul-li-fy
Usurper.
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Posted - 2011.07.08 03:56:00 -
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OP, you will have to wait till they optimize CQ before u see any change in your gpu. Nothing u can really due short of getting a bucket of ice and blowing a fan behind it onto ur computer
To get it down a little bit, I have noticed that anti-alias turned up on a Nvidia card really cranks up the heat in CQ,(so just turn that off) and turning on Post Processing brought it down a tiny bit also.
But I have 3 seperate machines, varying in hardware, and have windows and Ubuntu on them all. They have all seen a huge increase in temp when running eve-regardless of OS. At least in Linux I have found it to run much smother with using older Nvidia drivers. But regardless there is a issue with CQ, and what it is duing to our machines. Why else would CCP sticky a topic that has to do with exactly the issue You, I, and many others are having.
The responses in this thread is exactly why you never ask a gamer about how a computer works, some of these are priceless.
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Important Person
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Posted - 2011.07.08 04:07:00 -
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Why mai video card overheat???
CCP you break my computer and now you must pay!
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Deryk Kyeld
Veteran Defense Initiative
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Posted - 2011.07.08 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Xaelix Sativa
In the span of 4 years, I've had 4 GPU's fail while playing EVE. First I thought it was my cooling, then I thought it was my wiring, then I realized every one of those cards was an EVGA card. So I bought a PNY after my 8800 went into full-artifact mode and I'll never, ever buy an EVGA GPU again.
Lol? EVGA is the best designer of Nvidia GPUs.
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.07.08 05:19:00 -
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Confirming my GTX 580 handles CQ like my monocled superself handles coke off a cheap Perimeter hookers ass.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.07.08 05:21:00 -
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CCP's game hasn't fried my GPU. Purring like a kitten running three clients.
CCP's forums on the other hand, are frying my brain.
Did your dear old grandpa leave you his 386? Time to upgrade from solitaire folks and join the 21st century.
Or at least learn a few things about how to maintain a clean computer. (*hint* Dust is a really good heat trap.)
Mr Epeen 
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Kinete Jenius
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Posted - 2011.07.08 10:25:00 -
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I run two clients one at 1920x1200 and the other 1280x1024 on high settings. THe card I'm using is an OCed HD5770 with stock cooling and even when ambient air temp is 80 degrees my card is running about 50c. I also OC my FSB and CPU by a nice chunk and those temps are well below danger levels..
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xxxTRUSTxxx
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Posted - 2011.07.08 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Reloadin
Have to state once again that if you can't run your CPU and GPU at 100% then something is wrong with your hardware or cooling setup. Just because a card comes with a nice big shiny heatsink and omg listen to that fan doesn't mean it's going to achieve anything in a poorly ventilated case.
Furmark is probably the most popular GPU stress tester. Run that for 10-15 mins to test stability and overclocks. Once it seems stable keep it going for a couple of hours to make sure.
http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/fur/
Once you're up and running with a stable config get a program like MSI Afterburner to actively monitor temps and usage.
http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/download.htm
While you're at it might as well test the CPU as well. Prime95 is probably one of the more popular multicore stress testing programs.
There's no reason to blame anyone but yourself for cpu/gpu overheating problems, it just shows typical user igrnorance.
Good advice, but lets face it, some people just don't or won't listen.
if i had 1000 ISK for every whining customer who's said why can't you speed up my pentuim III 256MB system which never had an OS rebuild or a clean out of internal dust/fluff i'd be the richest bastard in EVE.
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Nagasaki Warrior
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Posted - 2011.07.08 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Wreckar
Edited by: Wreckar on 08/07/2011 03:36:54
Originally by: daddys helper
people,
just because you bought your card x months ago its still much older
a 9800 a year old?
HA
try 2008
sure duty time matters, but old tech is old tech
My 9600gt runs two clients in CQ just fine. No problems with overheating, but then I spent some time on my case and cooling because of hot summers. I'll happily fall soundly asleep with them both idling in CQ.
I am running a 9800gt with 3 clients all @ 1650x900. With the fan set to 75% I do not exceed 65 degrees C although that fanspeed is higher than I have to set for any other game. I also have a laptop with a poopy intel gm4500 which will run eve on min setting but it gets incredibly hot. Most laptops wont cut it for gaming for hours on end unless it is designed to do so (but why you would want to is beyond me as the processor and gfx will be watered down mobile versions just to save space). You do have to partially disassemble a laptop to clean the dust from it and allow proper airflow (Keep telling the missis not to have the laptop on a pillow) and always use some kind of monitoring software. |
Alxea
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Posted - 2011.07.08 11:16:00 -
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Edited by: Alxea on 08/07/2011 11:23:56
Nvidia is known for making overheating grills. Your GPU died because it had shait cooling, if thats even a true statement to begin with.
Its impossible for a game to burn up a GPU on 100% load unless your graphics cards cooling unit is so sheity that it can't handle a game with decent graphics.
You do realize that there are far more graphic intensive games then eve now because of DX11... oh right, your card is so old it was made 6 years ago.
Stop trying to run games on antique hardware that should be donated to a museum. Its amazing eve has been able to bring DX9 so far. Lucky for all the people who use antiques that they haven't gone completely to DX11 yet.
Hell anybody who try's to run crisis 1 and 2 on old pieces of sheit silicon diods can prob burn up their graphics card and get 1fps on crap that old. Seriously upgrade to decent tech that was made in this generation, stop trying to play games on such ancient junkers.  
I have no issues running this game at all period on a ATI HD5770, most heat its ever been able to get up to is 50C on air. Running 2 clients in CQ with max graphic settings. My fan speed is on 50%.
3D mark can make my graphics card run harder then eve can, any DX11 game can. Still can't get even close to burning up my GPU witch is trying to get it past 100C. Dumb people prob take off the heatsink and fan and do it by themselves and blame it on ccp's CQ. |
Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.07.08 11:17:00 -
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Folks, it's simple. Keep your stuff cool enough and it'll basically last forever. I'm not arguing about CCP code since what Incarna does to my GPU temps is make me very nervous.
Regardless of what the manufacturers are doing for planned obsolescence or what Incarna does you can extend the life of your electronics components with adequate cooling. A few years ago I read about a guy overclocking his rig by 1000% by placing the entire computer in a non-conductive coolant. But, without going to that kind of extreme here's what you can do in the mean time:
If you're running your GPU at +70c consider the following:
1) Adequate cooling. Mod your case to accommodate a couple of 120mm case fans. 80mm just don't cut it anymore. One 120mm fan bringing air in and one bringing air out will reduce your chassis temps by 5-8c easily. That's worth about 2-5c at the component level.
2) Replace stock CPU and GPU coolers with after market. The after markets are vastly superior than stock coolers. Use good thermal paste, arctic silver is a fine product. If you don't replace the coolers at least, for the love of God, replace the stock thermal pads/pastes. If it's been over a year or never since you've replaced your thermal past do it. Paste dries and cracks over time.
3) Turn the game's quality settings lower. Yeah, I know this sucks. But what sucks more is a dead GPU.
4) Dust your computer. Take every component out and use compressed air thoroughly to clean it, every surface. Make sure you wash your hands thoroughly before touching or wear gloves. |
MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2011.07.08 11:21:00 -
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Shut it with the "Eve killed my hardware" crap. Seriously. Don't be stupid.
If your hardware monitoring doesn't shut your rig down before thermal damage kills it, then your hardware monitoring sucks. What that means is either you suck at configuring your hardware and your cooling isn't up to spec, or your monitoring is broken because your rig is broken.
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Lord Fuxaton
Minmatar
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2011.07.08 11:22:00 -
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I know of many homeless shelters OP could go to talk about getting some assistance for food; he could then realistically use his food money on purchasing a new video card to use to play EVE. I believe we should discuss this further in person samantha; perhaps we could do it over skype
I happen to be a really charming guy; and I promise once it's in you won't feel a thing. |
Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.08 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Deryk Kyeld
Lol? EVGA is the best designer of Nvidia GPUs. They consistently produce the fastest cards of their class, and that is a fact. Also their customer service and step up program are great. I'm not saying they're infallible but the 8800's had a known fan problem, and EVGA provided an update for the Fan BIOS, you could have RMA'd the card.
ASUS, ftw! I have an ASUS GeForce GTX 580 Direct CU II -- best GTX 580 ever made! Ands it eats Incarna for breakfast. |
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