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TharOkha
0asis Group
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Posted - 2012.09.18 05:50:00 -
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James 315 wrote:The only way to defeat the bots is to have mining in highsec nerfed into oblivion. Let's see the bots handle mining in lowsec and nullsec. 
ehm...are you living under the rock?
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Mara Rinn
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
1832
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Posted - 2012.09.18 06:02:00 -
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James 315 wrote:The only way to defeat the bots is to have mining in highsec nerfed into oblivion.
Are you suggesting that the recent changes to mining barges, and an upcoming mining frigate, are not effectively nerfing hisec mining into oblivion? Check out ice prices, and tell me that ice harvesting as a profession is not dead.
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William Walker
House Aratus
Fatal Ascension
79
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Posted - 2012.09.18 06:06:00 -
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Didn't want to get into industry anyway. This would practically kill the entire industry sector of EVE. Prices would plummet as people all get the "bot module". Sure gankers might kill a few more with that lower EHP but not enough to halt the prices from falling. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
176
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Posted - 2012.09.18 06:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:We saw it in X-¦ first.
How good ganking mechanics are in that game? Did ganking miners feel good? |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1535
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Posted - 2012.09.18 06:46:00 -
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Is this a CCP trap? as in people who agree and like the first post is going to be investigated or something? I bet it is, good one CCP.
Vincent Athena wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:As a non AFK miner I find your idea horrid and would have me quitting in a mississippi second, and I am pretty sure most legit miners would quit. I get that most people do not like mining, but there are some of us who do not mind it. You would ruin the game for many of those people. I am not worried about this becoming part of the game, CCP has a hatred for botting, and they have a love of real life dollars. Dollars will will win out every time. Actually according to CCP surveys, most players somewhat like or very much like mining. I don't know where this idea that "most people do not like mining" comes from, but it sure does not come from player data. http://eve-files.com/dl/255173The data does show that more survey respondents selected "Somewhat dislike" or "Very much dislike" for mining than any other game activity. About 25% of them. So its the most hated activity, but only by 25% of the respondents. Hardly a reason to remove the activity from the game, especially when over 50% of the respondents like it.
I don't do mining, but if people ask me "Do you like mining aspect of Eve?", I would probably say yes. The problem is.
- I hate afk miners
- I hate whining miners saying this is not a pvp game and telling people they should be left alone, in a sandbox game.
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Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
224
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Posted - 2012.09.18 06:57:00 -
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A while ago, the Devs whacked a bunch botters. It turned out that bot accounts use disproportionately more CPU than a regular account. So planning system utilization only, itt might cause perma-lagg.
But instead of bots, I like the SWTOR method: you send your helpers out to do jobs. The jobs cost $$$, and take some time based upon complexity. Eventually, the helper returns with the goods, and it does not always pay better than manually farming. But, you can set up a bunch of jobs to run, sleep all night, and wake up in the morning with a bunch of auto-farmed goods. Some things are only available via the helper farmimg, other stuffz you can farm manually if you want. It a nice system that frees up the players time for actual gaming and not grinding the materials.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
4624
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Posted - 2012.09.18 07:00:00 -
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Khorkrak wrote:So we have Plex which is both a way to pay for the game with game money and real money redirecting funds that otherwise would go to ISK sellers back to CCP. Brilliant! Then there's the character bazaar where slackers can go a buy a character instead of training one up which they'd do anyway on eBay otherwise so CCP is smarter than most game companies and instead enables this while charging a fee in real money for it.
What about botting? In particular for mining. Would be be wise to enable this as a legitimate feature in the game with say a penalty to ship defenses to do it because of the required AI module so as to throw a bone to high sec gankers? Could something like this significantly diminish the allure of these cheat programs?
Why continue mining manually then? Well perhaps it would be like the difference between driving stick vs automatic. You can choose the best asteroids to mine if you control your ship directly etc.
A better solution is to have PvE that doesn't reward bot-like behaviour
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Ghazu
193
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Posted - 2012.09.18 07:04:00 -
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Sure make all the bots go gcc flashy red, see the problem with highsec? |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
176
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Posted - 2012.09.18 07:05:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:A better solution is to have PvE that doesn't reward bot-like behaviour
Like letting those who know how this should be played shoot other players in hisec without getting Concordonkened? |
Plaude Pollard
Crimson Cartel
76
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Posted - 2012.09.18 07:32:00 -
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James 315 wrote:The only way to defeat the bots is to have mining in highsec nerfed into oblivion. Let's see the bots handle mining in lowsec and nullsec.
Or someone will have to bump those AFK-miners and bots out of range. I'm looking at you, James.
CCP won't add this. They consider botting a bannable offense, so there's no way they would make it an actual option.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
4628
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Posted - 2012.09.18 10:56:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Malcanis wrote:A better solution is to have PvE that doesn't reward bot-like behaviour Like letting those who know how this game should be played shoot other players in hisec without getting Concordonkened?
I'm sorry but I'm not sure what you're getting at here. I was referring to the extreme predictability and monotony of EVE's current PvE, meaning that not only is it highly suited to botting, but that it rewards players for acting as much like bots themselves as possible. If mining, missioning, ratting, etc, was unpredictable and rewarded good spatialisation, pattern-recognition and imaginative skills, not only would it be vastly more difficult to bot efficiently, people might actually enjoy the activities for their own sake and have a correspondingly reduced incentive to bot in the first place.
What was it that you were referring to, exactly?
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
583
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Posted - 2012.09.18 13:22:00 -
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James 315 wrote:The only way to defeat the bots is to have mining in highsec nerfed into oblivion. Let's see the bots handle mining in lowsec and nullsec.
james 315 pages of tosh, I am beginning to think that you may, in fact, be a bot, programmed with a short loop to talk about miners, miners, and err, miners.
You want fries with that? |
Kharmha
Sttarrlighte Industries
5
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Posted - 2012.09.20 16:36:00 -
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James 315 wrote:The only way to defeat the bots is to have mining in highsec nerfed into oblivion. Let's see the bots handle mining in lowsec and nullsec.
Actully, ive made plenty of trips into low and nul sec (unlike james who hides in high sec), and there is just as many botters in both low and null. The reason they exist is far fewer people see them botting, and thus they get reported even less then high sec botters.
Also most people have the mentality that if you find someone mining in low or nul sec, he is not alone, but has buddies who are cloaked and hidding nearby ready to help him. Most who could attack said miner instead simply pass through the system and leave the bot alone.
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Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
241
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Posted - 2012.09.20 18:10:00 -
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No.
You need to have a "Effort -> isk" conversion to make any game work, making a botminer module would remove the effort part and allow you to have income out of nowhere with no effort. Thus the value of minerals would be close to nothing. |
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
542
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Posted - 2012.09.20 18:12:00 -
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If CCP touches mining it will be to nerf it, they don't know how to make changes without destroying years worth of SP investment.
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
481
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Posted - 2012.09.20 19:23:00 -
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Tom Gerard wrote:If CCP touches mining it will be to nerf it, they don't know how to make changes without destroying years worth of SP investment.
Oh my god calm the hell down. |
Kinet
Frog Steamers
10
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Posted - 2012.09.20 19:39:00 -
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James 315 wrote:The only way to defeat the bots is to have mining in highsec nerfed into oblivion. Let's see the bots handle mining in lowsec and nullsec.
Apparently you are not familiar with RA/LoD/Solar and their null space back in the day. Trust me, there is plenty of botting going on in null. |
Khorkrak
Confetti Explosion
25
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Posted - 2012.09.20 20:33:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:why this no locked for trolling.
What is this trolling you speak of? It was a reasonable post after all. Just sharing something I was thinking about off and on over the past few days.
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Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
160
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Posted - 2012.09.20 22:31:00 -
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Errrm, NO!
In addition, DEATH TO ALL BOTTERS! |
Taedrin
Virtues Corporation
Yulai Federation
437
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Posted - 2012.09.20 22:47:00 -
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James 315 wrote:The only way to defeat the bots is to have mining in highsec nerfed into oblivion. Let's see the bots handle mining in lowsec and nullsec.
I would guess that bots handle mining in lowsec and nullsec much better than players, presuming they are programmed correctly. Bots never get tired of checking local, never get bored of spamming dscan and never make mistakes.
Sort of like BACON but a lot worse. |
Rellik B00n
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.09.20 23:02:00 -
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Its a completely sane suggestion - it would just be built into the client. Easy.
It is literally never gonna happen though because the same people that think the status quo regarding the prohibition of drugs it ok will be in your thread telling you why this is a bad idea.
nevermind, go blow something up :)
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Bullz3y3
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2012.09.20 23:11:00 -
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All this rage and tears against mining is so silly. Minerals are worthless until someone makes something with them! So why worry that someone is mining? Its the builders you have to watch! And those people that lose ships, well they enable the builders. |
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