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Khorkrak
Confetti Explosion
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Posted - 2012.09.17 19:51:00 -
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So we have Plex which is both a way to pay for the game with game money and real money redirecting funds that otherwise would go to ISK sellers back to CCP. Brilliant! Then there's the character bazaar where slackers can go a buy a character instead of training one up which they'd do anyway on eBay otherwise so CCP is smarter than most game companies and instead enables this while charging a fee in real money for it.
What about botting? In particular for mining. Would be be wise to enable this as a legitimate feature in the game with say a penalty to ship defenses to do because of the required AI module so as to throw a bone to high sec gankers? Could something like this significantly diminish the allure of these cheat programs?
Why continue mining manually then? Well perhaps it would be like the difference between driving stick vs automatic. You can choose the best asteroids to mine if you control your ship directly etc.
Developer of http://www.decloaked.com and http://sourceforge.net/projects/pykb/ |

Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2878
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Posted - 2012.09.17 19:53:00 -
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I imagine the stress on the server caused by widespread unregulated bot mining would be... considerable. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |

TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance
311
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Posted - 2012.09.17 19:53:00 -
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPE. "We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming. |

Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.17 19:54:00 -
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This won't end well. ^_^ Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9519
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Posted - 2012.09.17 19:55:00 -
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No. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Khorkrak
Confetti Explosion
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Posted - 2012.09.17 19:55:00 -
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What I mean is this: you would buy a module like any other that would enable you to control your ship remotely like a drone to mine automatically while you say fly around in an orca or some other ship perhaps to shoot roots. I don't mean allowing 3rd party bot programs.
In fact you could control X barges with advanced skill  Developer of http://www.decloaked.com and http://sourceforge.net/projects/pykb/ |

SealteamXI
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.09.17 19:56:00 -
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Khorkrak wrote:So we have Plex which is both a way to pay for the game with game money and real money redirecting funds that otherwise would go to ISK sellers back to CCP. Brilliant! Then there's the character bazaar where slackers can go a buy a character instead of training one up which they'd do anyway on eBay otherwise so CCP is smarter than most game companies and instead enables this while charging a fee in real money for it.
What about botting? In particular for mining. Would be be wise to enable this as a legitimate feature in the game with say a penalty to ship defenses to do it because of the required AI module so as to throw a bone to high sec gankers? Could something like this significantly diminish the allure of these cheat programs?
Why continue mining manually then? Well perhaps it would be like the difference between driving stick vs automatic. You can choose the best asteroids to mine if you control your ship directly etc.
Ideologically horrible idea, but actually well thought out and justified. |

gobbybobby
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.09.17 19:57:00 -
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You can detect bots easier then detecting people selling there accounts on Ebay.
Down with the bots! Mining, ratting and complex running bots. |

Kari Juptris
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
9
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Posted - 2012.09.17 20:01:00 -
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And we'd all laugh as the mineral index drops even lower.... |

James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp
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Posted - 2012.09.17 20:05:00 -
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The only way to defeat the bots is to have mining in highsec nerfed into oblivion. Let's see the bots handle mining in lowsec and nullsec. 
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ MinerBumping.com -½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½The daily saga of the New Order's quest to conquer all highsec by bumping miners out of range. |

Khorkrak
Confetti Explosion
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Posted - 2012.09.17 20:08:00 -
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Just remember if something like this shows up one day that you saw it here first! Developer of http://www.decloaked.com and http://sourceforge.net/projects/pykb/ |

Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2878
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Posted - 2012.09.17 20:09:00 -
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James 315 wrote:The only way to defeat the bots is to have mining in highsec nerfed into oblivion. Let's see the bots handle mining in lowsec and nullsec.  Botters would continue to bot regardless if only because of the sheer volume of bots they can deploy at a given time, on the other hand the impact drastic nerfs to highsec mining would have on people properly playing the game would be devastating.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9519
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Posted - 2012.09.17 20:09:00 -
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Khorkrak wrote:Just remember if something like this shows up one day that you saw it here first! No. We saw it in X-¦ first.
In fact, if that's the gameplay you want, I can highly recommend the series. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
382
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Posted - 2012.09.17 20:09:00 -
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James 315 wrote:The only way to defeat the bots is to have mining in highsec nerfed into oblivion. Let's see the bots handle mining in lowsec and nullsec. 
It's funny that you think there aren't bots in low and null. Hmm, would i rather bot in high sec, where any person in local could be someone set to gank me, or in low/null, where when any person enters local, the script warps them to a safespot(s)?
As to the OP, no. Also, features and ideas is another forum.
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Khorkrak
Confetti Explosion
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Posted - 2012.09.17 20:13:00 -
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What's X-¦? Some game I assume. I didn't say that I liked the idea I simply proposed it. Developer of http://www.decloaked.com and http://sourceforge.net/projects/pykb/ |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9519
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Posted - 2012.09.17 20:18:00 -
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Khorkrak wrote:What's X-¦? The predecessor to X-¦. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
261
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Posted - 2012.09.17 20:31:00 -
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Khorkrak wrote:What I mean is this: you would buy a module like any other that would enable you to control your ship remotely like a drone to mine automatically while you say fly around in an orca or some other ship perhaps to shoot roots. I don't mean allowing 3rd party bot programs. In fact you could control X barges with advanced skill  I think what everyone else means is NO.
Great idea, destroy the economy in game CCP, that's how you do it.
Either the topics in GD are getting dumber and dumber, or I'm just getting smarter every day. I imagine it's a bit of both. |

Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.17 20:40:00 -
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Neither "slackers" nor PLEXers flood the market with ISK and/or materials. Bots do. NO |

stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.09.17 20:46:00 -
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To be honest, if mining bots were legalized as a game mechanic, would the mineral market really be affected that much? You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head. Feature Request: -áDamnation Ship Codpiece
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Robert De'Arneth
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Posted - 2012.09.17 20:49:00 -
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As a non AFK miner I find your idea horrid and would have me quitting in a mississippi second, and I am pretty sure most legit miners would quit. I get that most people do not like mining, but there are some of us who do not mind it. You would ruin the game for many of those people. I am not worried about this becoming part of the game, CCP has a hatred for botting, and they have a love of real life dollars. Dollars will will win out every time. |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
991
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Posted - 2012.09.17 21:09:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote:As a non AFK miner I find your idea horrid and would have me quitting in a mississippi second, and I am pretty sure most legit miners would quit. I get that most people do not like mining, but there are some of us who do not mind it. You would ruin the game for many of those people. I am not worried about this becoming part of the game, CCP has a hatred for botting, and they have a love of real life dollars. Dollars will will win out every time. Actually according to CCP surveys, most players somewhat like or very much like mining. I don't know where this idea that "most people do not like mining" comes from, but it sure does not come from player data.
http://eve-files.com/dl/255173
The data does show that more survey respondents selected "Somewhat dislike" or "Very much dislike" for mining than any other game activity. About 25% of them. So its the most hated activity, but only by 25% of the respondents. Hardly a reason to remove the activity from the game, especially when over 50% of the respondents like it. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |

Robert De'Arneth
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Posted - 2012.09.17 21:17:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:As a non AFK miner I find your idea horrid and would have me quitting in a mississippi second, and I am pretty sure most legit miners would quit. I get that most people do not like mining, but there are some of us who do not mind it. You would ruin the game for many of those people. I am not worried about this becoming part of the game, CCP has a hatred for botting, and they have a love of real life dollars. Dollars will will win out every time. Actually according to CCP surveys, most players somewhat like or very much like mining. I don't know where this idea that "most people do not like mining" comes from, but it sure does not come from player data. http://eve-files.com/dl/255173The data does show that more survey respondents selected "Somewhat dislike" or "Very much dislike" for mining than any other game activity. About 25% of them. So its the most hated activity, but only by 25% of the respondents. Hardly a reason to remove the activity from the game, especially when over 50% of the respondents like it.
I am just going from the board flavor, and this thread is another attempt to ruin a part of the game me and friends like, mining leads to cheap parts and ships. I like your stats, and that seems to be more what in game is like, rather then the boards. I honestly do not understand why the OP would like to allow botters, I report any suspects I see, they are taking ISK from the childern!!! |

Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
751
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Posted - 2012.09.17 21:19:00 -
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why this no locked for trolling. |

KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.17 21:20:00 -
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Botting is the gateway drug RMT...
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
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Posted - 2012.09.17 21:38:00 -
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James 315 wrote:The only way to defeat the bots is to have mining in highsec nerfed into oblivion. Let's see the bots handle mining in lowsec and nullsec.  No, no, no!
Miners desperately need a buff, not a nerf. They should get a 1% chance of dropping a random officer mod when podded in high sec.  |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1719
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Posted - 2012.09.17 23:55:00 -
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OP hasn't heard about mining drones? |

Smiknight
The Plebian Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.17 23:57:00 -
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1) Reverse psychology doesn't always work.
2) This is botting we are talking about, not weed. Do you understand how much resurrection hurts? |

Agent Akari
Hobo Industries Inc Orbital Bombardmant
59
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Posted - 2012.09.18 00:31:00 -
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You can delay afk miners by bumping them out of range if you want.
If they are in a player corp, war dec them.
If you have reported them and a GM/CCP hasn't done anything yet, they are fishing for more proof or the reported players have too much activity from the owner.
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Brooks Puuntai
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
748
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Posted - 2012.09.18 00:39:00 -
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James 315 wrote:The only way to defeat the bots is to have mining in highsec nerfed into oblivion. Let's see the bots handle mining in lowsec and nullsec. 
They handle themselves quite well actually. Though a proud highsec warrior as yourself wouldn't know that. Botting isn't a highsec only thing.
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Evelyn Meiyi
Meiyi Family Holdings
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Posted - 2012.09.18 01:01:00 -
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Khorkrak wrote:What I mean is this: you would buy a module like any other that would enable you to control your ship remotely like a drone to mine automatically while you say fly around in an orca or some other ship perhaps to shoot roots. I don't mean allowing 3rd party bot programs. In fact you could control X barges with advanced skill 
The module you suggest would still require that someone be 'at the keyboard'. AFK/bot mining is different -- a bot allows a player to leave the game totally unattended, which presents an unfair advantage against those who need to do such mundane things as sleep and/or work.
In addition, the constant influx of minerals from AFK mining damages the EVE economy -- demand for a product is generated when the rate and ease of supply varies. Bots that generate a steady input of resources decrease demand overall. |
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