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Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.07.11 20:07:00 - [1] Forgetting all the factual differences between the trailer and current gameplay/ship balance, there's one thing I have been wondering about for a while now. The main plot of the trailer is simple: Close range fleet gets engaged by a long range one, hero interceptor must burn towards them to provide a warpin. This all revolves around the game mechanic which allows you to warp to other people only if they are in your fleet. While simple, this is not something immediately obvious to new players, nor something with any parallels in other games. Isn't a significant purpose of the trailer to attract new players to EVE? Someone who has never played before will have no clue what's going on, because they are missing this crucial plot point. They don't see the role of the hero, they just see what appears to be an easy victory of his side. Anyone thought of this? ---
Alara IonStorm Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.11 20:09:00 - [2] Also who the hell uses Sniper Fleets that can be warped too. ******ed Fleet Commanders doesn't make Gallente a good fleet race. Nice Try CCP, you can't PR a Gallente fix. -- EVE Online is commited to $$Excellence$$
Lupus Hekki	Posted - 2011.07.11 20:09:00 - [3] I say, stick to the trailers like Casualty or the Butterfly Effect
Makko Gray Nexus Aerospace Corporation	Posted - 2011.07.11 20:11:00 - [4] Edited by: Makko Gray on 11/07/2011 20:11:34 I think it's supposed to be cinematic, not factually accurate. Let me guess, you're the sort of peeps who looked for gladiators wearing digital watches in films aren't you.
Alara IonStorm Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.11 20:14:00 - [5] Originally by: Lupus Hekki I say, stick to the trailers like Casualty or the Butterfly Effect The Wolf kills 3 Frigs, some Tech 2 and had no Tackle... -- EVE Online is commited to $$Excellence$$
Akirei Scytale	Posted - 2011.07.11 22:05:00 - [6] Honestly it is easily the most accurate representation of fleet warfare so far, down to the comms. The only issue is the fleet comps. And warpins are not only common, they're easy - combat probing and ballsy covops make them commonplace.
Uuali	Posted - 2011.07.11 23:19:00 - [7] THIS I believe would be a much more appropriate trailer for Incarna. I mean it just says it all!
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2011.07.11 23:31:00 - [8] Yeah not a fan of that trailer...just seemed so cheesy. Also the guy annoys me for reasons I cant explain.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.07.11 23:35:00 - [9] I think it just looks sickeningly melodramatic. Wherever you went - Here you are.
01011 101	Posted - 2011.07.11 23:40:00 - [10] I thought the "coms" intergration was great, it really blurred the line between roleplaying atmosphere and how we communicate in game.

JC Anderson Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.07.11 23:43:00 - [11] In the video description CCP claims it is an accurate account from a player of a battle that took place in Eve at some point. If that's the case, I'm curious who the FC was that used a Hyperion for a fleet engagement.
Steve Thomas Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe	Posted - 2011.07.11 23:46:00 - [12] heck even people who dont play EvE find the trailer rediculous. .End of line. If your too paranoid to play EvE. . . ...then your not paranoid enough to play EvE ----------------
Miner TheUltimate Odyssey Inc	Posted - 2011.07.11 23:46:00 - [13] boo.
Digital Messiah Oregami Ultd	Posted - 2011.07.11 23:51:00 - [14] I like that they actually released a trailer. So props to putting the effort and work into that. But Misleading new players who think gallente is viable atm is kinda cruel. Quote: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
ThrashPower Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.07.11 23:54:00 - [15] The trailer was very plausible, I guess this is how it looks like when two cripple fleets duke it out. ie people dying to long range bs without being tackled, nobody having probes so some dude has to burn 200k to provide a warpin and no defensive bubbles to protect the sniper fleet from getting warped on.
Tuscor	Posted - 2011.07.12 00:00:00 - [16] I really enjoyed it. I think if the aim is to perk interest in EVE, it will work. Few noobs will look too deeply into the mechanics of the fight, they will just see "shiny spaceships and lazors". All the people complaining about it are probably bittervets who are so burntout that nothing will get them excited. Thats ok, its natural, most people reach a point where they no longer enjoy a game, for some its longer than others. It would be nice if people who are no longer enjoying EVE just leave quietly though, instead of *****ing and moaning and clogging up the forum with their whiny tears
Headerman Minmatar Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.07.12 00:17:00 - [17] For all the knockers, please shut up. Just enjoy it for what it is: a cinematic trailer of Eve.
Xercodo Amarr Daj'Juntar	Posted - 2011.07.12 00:26:00 - [18] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Also who the hell uses Sniper Fleets that can be warped too. *****ed Fleet Commanders doesn't make Gallente a good fleet race. Nice Try CCP, you can't PR a Gallente fix. sniper fleet is @ 100km cepter flies to 150km warp to member @ 50km? -------------------------------------------------- The drake is a lie*
Alara IonStorm Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.12 00:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Xercodo sniper fleet is @ 100km It's not. Originally by: Xercodo cepter flies to 150km He said he had to fly 200km to get to the fleet. Originally by: Xercodo warp to member @ 50km? Warp to 0 try to keep up quoted in the movie. You can not warp 100km just because your Ceptor is at 150km. A warp that should not happen if there was tackle on Grid. So yes two most ****ed Fleet Commanders ever. Originally by:** Xercodo It will get stuck that way. Your face will match your knowledge of the game though. -- EVE Online is commited to $$Excellence$$
Xercodo Amarr Daj'Juntar	Posted - 2011.07.12 00:52:00 - [20] Originally by: Alara IonStorm It's not. He said he had to fly 200km to get to the fleet. Warp to 0 try to keep up quoted in the movie. You can not warp 100km just because your Ceptor is at 150km. A warp that should not happen if there was tackle on Grid. So yes two most *****ed Fleet Commanders ever. It will get stuck that way. Your face will match your knowledge of the game though. lol caught me at every single point but im pretty sure the 100km warp works granted, even tho in theory most of it is possible, ya, two dumb FCs... -------------------------------------------------- The drake is a lie*

Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.12 00:56:00 - [21] ITT people live vicariously through FC's who got on TV. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Alara IonStorm Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.12 00:59:00 - [22] Originally by: Xercodo lol caught me at every single point but im pretty sure the 100km warp works granted, even tho in theory most of it is possible, ya, two dumb FCs... .... My face is stuck! -- EVE Online is commited to $$Excellence$$
Doddy Excidium. Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2011.07.12 01:16:00 - [23] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Originally by: Lupus Hekki I say, stick to the trailers like Casualty or the Butterfly Effect The Wolf kills 3 Frigs, some Tech 2 and had no Tackle... The barge was packing points obviously
Doddy Excidium. Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2011.07.12 01:19:00 - [24] Originally by: Alara IonStorm You can not warp 100km just because your Ceptor is at 150km. I can't?
Alara IonStorm Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.12 01:19:00 - [25] Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 12/07/2011 01:22:07 Originally by: Doddy The barge was packing points obviously Oh yes top concern for every Exhumer just incase a helpful PVP Wolf with no Point shows up. You sure you don't wanna replace point with 3 empty midslots and a Civi Sheild... Cause were talking about realism. Originally by: Doddy Originally by: Alara IonStorm You can not warp 100km just because your Ceptor is at 150km. I can't? No just cause you have a fleet mamber at 150km doesn't mean you can warp at anything less then 150km. -- EVE Online is commited to $$Excellence$$
Doddy Excidium. Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2011.07.12 01:22:00 - [26] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Originally by: Doddy The barge was packing points obviously Oh yes top concern for every Exhumer just incase a helpful PVP Wolf with no Point shows up. You sure you don't wanna replace point with 3 empty midslots and a Civi Sheild... Cause were talking about realism. I see you haven't trained sarcasm detection yet, its a prerequisite for most high level forum skills
Alara IonStorm Caldari	Posted - 2011.07.12 01:23:00 - [27] Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 12/07/2011 01:23:55 Originally by: Doddy I see you haven't trained sarcasm detection yet, its a prerequisite for most high level forum skills Spaceships = Serious Always... Always! I am building a Rocket in my backyard, I will see if there is an EVE Gate out there. Bet CCP got that wrong too! -- EVE Online is commited to $$Excellence$$
Coffe's Babe Caldari Red Federation RvB - RED Federation	Posted - 2011.07.12 01:35:00 - [28] Originally by: Abdiel Kavash Forgetting all the factual differences between the trailer and current gameplay/ship balance, there's one thing I have been wondering about for a while now. The main plot of the trailer is simple: Close range fleet gets engaged by a long range one, hero interceptor must burn towards them to provide a warpin. This all revolves around the game mechanic which allows you to warp to other people only if they are in your fleet. While simple, this is not something immediately obvious to new players, nor something with any parallels in other games. Isn't a significant purpose of the trailer to attract new players to EVE? Someone who has never played before will have no clue what's going on, because they are missing this crucial plot point. They don't see the role of the hero, they just see what appears to be an easy victory of his side. Anyone thought of this? The trailer contains the following messages (most of them common with past eve trailers). 1. The little guy. Even if you are the smallest booger in the galaxy (lone wolf in the butterfly effect trailer or this hot dude flying the ceptor ) you are needed and can have an impact on the game. 2. Angles of approach. Makes it obvious that you can either be the hero-carebear type, defending your own piece of galaxy from the evil ambushing fleet, or be part of the ones that set the trap. It does not matter if you are the producer who built the ***-looking-amarrian-freighters (forgot name) that undock at start, the one that flies the interceptor or the fleet commander that keeps it together. You will get involved in the action no matter the path you take. 3. Permissive gameplay. You can set up ambushes. You have to play your opponent in order to gain the upper hand. Lots of strategy involved, unorthodox tactics being something common. Are YOU original enough? 4. Dynamic universe/anything can happen. The smallest fly if left unchecked can turn the tide of events or of a battle. What do we learn from this? Get the **ing ceptors. 5. Variety of content. The fleets are fitted in different ways. You can pick whatever you think suits you best (green pew pew laser, rainbow beams that explode on impact, cannonball throwers on minmatar ships etc). If everyone is different then no matter what I'm doing it right...right? 6. Chain of command/emulated reality. Listen to the voice coms. YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE IN FRIGGIN TOP GUN! How can you not want to buy eve and fly 200 clicks of space towards an enemy fleet? THEY WILL SAY YOUR NAME ON COMS! Hero herp derp! And these are the obvious ones. Smart people have quotes in their sig - me
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2011.07.12 02:48:00 - [29] I remember fights like these back in the day. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 3APR11
Stella SGP The Kimotoro Initiative	Posted - 2011.07.12 02:58:00 - [30] Agreed. CCP should have spent the first 5 minutes explaining in detail how the game mechanics work, then show the trailer. This way, the new people that the trailer is meant for will understand whats going on.

Ammzi	Posted - 2011.07.12 03:21:00 - [31] Originally by: Headerman For all the knockers, please shut up. Just enjoy it for what it is: a cinematic trailer of Eve.
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2011.07.12 05:05:00 - [32] Originally by: Alara IonStorm No just cause you have a fleet mamber at 150km doesn't mean you can warp at anything less then 150km. Oh dear lord I haven't laughed like that in a while. Thanks. 7/10 Also, why don't you get in game and fly 151km away from a station or something and right click -> warp to within -> 50km. Please do let us know the results. Ye'llo?
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2011.07.12 05:15:00 - [33] Originally by: Nova Fox I remember fights like these back in the day. Sadly CCP droppe the ball by making the tagline 'I am here'... oh... herp derp.
Valentina Valentia Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.07.12 05:22:00 - [34] I found the whole video - lame... the voice actor was terrible... I was doing it... sound like a guy geting laid for the first time, I can't believe I am actually in a P***y!... duh!!! - yea this is a interceptor pilot. How about CCP put him in a Rookie ship as the pet idiot... and he can say... Whoa, broh... I can't believe I am in space... super-cool... I feel this is like Games Workshop, took a game that was dark, interesting and all with Rogue Trader, and the 1-2nd Editions and then "kiddy-a-fied" it, to appeal to the kids who are of the age to eat the miniatures rather than the adults that originally created it - who all seemed to depart the company going as the game became just so much "cool" stupid crap. Then they tried to get the adults back, with Movies... which are supposed to be dark and such, only they are about as interesting as a GI Joe All American Zero ep. Here is the deal people, they is dumbing down EVE to get that lunch money and allowances... and beta testing WoD on us because we of EVE they know will not quit like a new WoD player would since they have no stake in it and we have years... some marketing idiots are saying - go for the kids, make it dumb and cool and you will make lots of money, and experiment with the current group, so the next game is insta-success! with the kiddes... Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist
AnzacPaul the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.07.12 06:38:00 - [35] Originally by: SupaKudoRio Originally by: Alara IonStorm No just cause you have a fleet mamber at 150km doesn't mean you can warp at anything less then 150km. Oh dear lord I haven't laughed like that in a while. Thanks. 7/10 Also, why don't you get in game and fly 151km away from a station or something and right click -> warp to within -> 50km. Please do let us know the results. ______ GIGAR; >> The three priorities for CCP after launching Incarna will be 1)launching DUST 514, 2)launching World of Darkness 3)and continuing to improve on EVE.
Malachor Jankor	Posted - 2011.07.12 08:07:00 - [36] I'm a new player and I figured out the roll of the interceptor and what he did. New player doesn't necessarily = dumb.
Wild Rho Amarr Silent Core	Posted - 2011.07.12 08:11:00 - [37] Edited by: Wild Rho on 12/07/2011 08:11:12 I really enjoyed the trailer, yeah it was a bit cheesy but that doesn't make it bad. And for those arguing the video wasn't factually accruate on every detail, try to lighten up a bit. It's telling a story not trying to be a documentary.
Eliza Capri	Posted - 2011.07.12 08:16:00 - [38] Edited by: Eliza Capri on 12/07/2011 08:16:10 There was only one thing wrong with that trailer. They shoul have used some hot chick instead of that nerdy looking pansy neckbeard. He ruined it. Down to his feminine voice and general lack of balls.
AnzacPaul the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.07.12 08:27:00 - [39] They couldnt have made this a couple of years back, Cause he would of been telling his story with a noob ship in the background after a titan doomsday'd his stupid ass. Seriously, I didnt mind it, but he did come across a little too much "I was REALLY there" psychotic. HE WAS THERE. ______ GIGAR; >> The three priorities for CCP after launching Incarna will be 1)launching DUST 514, 2)launching World of Darkness 3)and continuing to improve on EVE.
Holy One Gallente	Posted - 2011.07.12 08:50:00 - [40] Originally by: Alara IonStorm Nice Try CCP, you can't PR a Gallente fix. +1 Every race needs viable long and short range weapons options. Some can be better at either but without this, its a farce. BBQ makes me hungry for more...

Gurgeh Murat Minmatar	Posted - 2011.07.12 12:48:00 - [41] A much more accurate and amusing trailer Its the bit at 1 min that made me Lol, but in general it seems to sum up the eve fleet experience nicely. And this ones just a big middle finger to CCP
Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.07.12 13:18:00 - [42] It was a great video, stop hating. AG Originally by: CCP Soundwave I'll tell you what I believe we should never sell; Anything that messes with the competitive balance of the game. No + stat ammo, no + stat ships and anything of that type.
Neqa'el Uphir Amarr PORTAL KOMBAT	Posted - 2011.07.12 14:07:00 - [43] The "narrator" was terrible true. The lines were gobled up, just like in some other trailers. Also, he didnt have a monocle, so thats a big no-no as well. Of the more recent trailers the only two good ones (and i think they qualify for top5 in the whole MMO industrty) are the Dominion trailer (yes, the one with ze russians) and Casuality. Everything else is complete garbage, usually failing cause of horrible voice acting or cause of badly written lines (srsly, do these pass for some sort of approval or focus group opinion?). The "I was there" trailer fails on both counts. Then again, given all the INCARNA crap and the number of canceled and would be canceled accounts the "I was there" slogan is more appropriate than it would initially seem
Haruka Ovaert	Posted - 2011.07.12 14:16:00 - [44] some people make valid points, however i dont realy care about it to much. CCP that trailer looked awesome and gave me goosebumps nice job!
Neqa'el Uphir Amarr PORTAL KOMBAT	Posted - 2011.07.12 14:21:00 - [45] Gurgeh Murat - Shadoo man, fkin Shadoo! Hell, i will miss his Fcing most of all
Tammarr	Posted - 2011.07.12 14:36:00 - [46] a buddy went: holy thunderpickers! I was there! Thats exactly what I had to do my first week in .0 the trailer gave my wife goosebumps, and she knows what a fleetfight usualy looks like. almost made her subscribe again ccp. make a fricking cinematic eve movie using your carbon stuff and you'll have +1 sub and ill be one of the few happy people again with a lady out there in space with me.
Bayard Carpathi	Posted - 2011.07.12 14:56:00 - [47] Originally by: Tammarr the trailer gave my wife goosebumps My wife had the same reaction and she has never showed any intrest in playing. My 17 year old son who plays showed it two two friends and both started trial accounts the same day. Both have since bought in and my son and I each got a month of free play time, I got two noobs to teach the ropes. Trailer = success. Y'all got to remember, this was not made for us. Pick it apart all you want, it's susposed to draw NEW players and it worked in my living room. "I was there". :)
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.07.12 15:06:00 - [48] Originally by: SupaKudoRio Originally by: Alara IonStorm No just cause you have a fleet mamber at 150km doesn't mean you can warp at anything less then 150km. Oh dear lord I haven't laughed like that in a while. Thanks. 7/10 Also, why don't you get in game and fly 151km away from a station or something and right click -> warp to within -> 50km. Please do let us know the results. Yeah, I found that pretty funny. It's amazing how people feel the need to critique a trailer about a fleet fight that have no idea what can and does happen in them (or even how basic game mechanics work for that matter). I also find it amusing how people nitpick a game trailer that is a couple of minutes long because it doesn't have time to show the time consuming cat and mouse maneuvering and tactical warps that take place in a fight like that. A trailer just shows highlights people, and attempts to showcase the more interesting parts of the game. That is it's purpose. If you are going to judge it, base your judgement on how well it performs that function. Blasting it for not containing every element of a battle that took quite a bit longer than a couple of minutes just makes you look like an idiot. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
CptConorado Amarr Avenger Mercenaries	Posted - 2011.07.12 15:32:00 - [49] I was there. ________________________________________________ Some say the universe is almost full of honest people, well I say the universe is full of almost honest people. -Unknown
Wa'roun Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.07.12 15:49:00 - [50] Originally by: Blacksquirrel Yeah not a fan of that trailer...just seemed so cheesy. Also the guy annoys me for reasons I cant explain. It's probably deep-seated repressed sexual tension.

Mokokan	Posted - 2011.07.12 15:59:00 - [51] Some of you guys need to get out of the forums more often. I am no master of PvP by any means, and I have played thru this same scenario any number of times, different roles, ships, fleet sizes, alternate outcomes, in empire and null sec. And more than a few times where I felt like "I was there" because of teammates, circumstances, and how it all played out. If you haven't experienced this, you are missing the best part of EVE. Get in and go looking for it.


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