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Amber Lou
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Posted - 2011.07.13 10:04:00 -
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Dear Miners I am here to ask for help, i am a member of a pve corp who lives in a wh, we get lots of gravs on a weekly basis and no one ever cracks them so here i am to start. I am requesting help tho to do it. We have 4-5 able hulk pilots and 1 able orca pilot. Now due to no local and everything being on directional then i need to make the ships agile as possible, especially the orca. Can anyone suggest any fits for this? Another question is can the orca boost while cloaked? And would it better to compress the ore and refine in HS then at the pos? Cheers for any help A Noob Miner!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.07.13 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 13/07/2011 11:23:20
Originally by: Amber Lou I need to make the ships agile as possible, especially the orca. Can anyone suggest any fits for this?
The only relevant thing is lows/rigs that increase agility, and there's only 4 of them : polycarbon not so great, nozzle joints and nano somewhat ok, istabs best (but they also make your ship easier to scan AND get locked faster AND potentially take more damage in certain situation). Just remember, they're ALL stack-nerfed together, so you don't get much of a benefit from using more than 3 of those, maybe 4 tops (and even then the benefit is minimal.
Overall, fitting for agility won't do much good, attempting to stay aligned at low speed with cargo expanders would actually work better and also benefit you in other ways.
Quote: Another question is can the orca boost while cloaked?
No, it can't. Not cloaked, not warping.
Quote: And would it better to compress the ore and refine in HS then at the pos?
If you can get access to a Rorqual's compression lines, hells yeah it would be better - best possible refine you can get in a POS is 75%, so you're losing a quarter of your minerals (whereas in highsec you can get 100% refine).
But just to make sure - you know that the Orca can't compress ore, do you ? Only the Rorqual can. And only while in deployed mode. _
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.07.13 11:21:00 -
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1. stay aligned all-the time. it is not easy however. 2. Hauling ore to HS is a PITA. And it getting worse when you haven't static exit to HS. (If you have static exit to HS you have a lot more visiters...) 3. Use your Orca in POS to give bonuses. And drop ore in cans in grav. Or haul with hulks. I tried both (with retriever). You have 2 hours until can is disappear so once in 1-1.5 hours you can simply dock hulk in POS and reship to Industrial to haul ore to hangar. Rats will not attack your cans. And if enemies come you only loose time you spent to mine. 4. Rats in grav appear once a day (as far as i remember). So get there battleship till they come. Kill them and get hulks to grav to mine safe =)
Good luck
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mxzf
Minmatar Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2011.07.13 11:48:00 -
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It really depends on the size of your operation. If you have enough people, the quickest way would be to have 3-5 miners in the belt, 1 indy running back and forth, and a Rorqual in the POS boosting. However, what you're more likely to have is something along the lines of 3-4 people mining and an Orca in the POS boosting and then one of the miners (the one with the lowest mining skills but that still has a maxed Indy) taking a break to haul now and then.
Also, I would strongly recommend using Covetors instead of Hulks, they're 10% of the price and have close to the same mining potential. In a wormhole the tank of a Hulk wouldn't really help any anyways against sleepers or pirates and the cost difference means that you really don't care if you lose one since a Covie can pay for itself in an hour of mining Ark (or 76 min if you're refining in your hole).
And personally, with 4-5 people mining in Hulks or Covies, I have a feeling you're going to want to refine in the hole unless you have a Rorqual to compress or a freighter to ship it out, as 4 Hulks can fill an Orca completely in about half an hour.
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Amber Lou
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Posted - 2011.07.13 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T But just to make sure - you know that the Orca can't compress ore, do you ? Only the Rorqual can. And only while in deployed mode.
Yes i do know this. Was just wondering was it worth skilling one of the mining alts for it :)?
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.13 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: Cipher Jones on 13/07/2011 17:36:05
Originally by: Amber Lou Dear Miners I am here to ask for help, i am a member of a pve corp who lives in a wh, we get lots of gravs on a weekly basis and no one ever cracks them so here i am to start. I am requesting help tho to do it. We have 4-5 able hulk pilots and 1 able orca pilot. Now due to no local and everything being on directional then i need to make the ships agile as possible, especially the orca. Can anyone suggest any fits for this? Another question is can the orca boost while cloaked? And would it better to compress the ore and refine in HS then at the pos? Cheers for any help A Noob Miner!
Use combat scanner probes to scan the system.
Close all WH's before you mine.
You do not need to have any agility or cloaking mods on any of your mining ships whatsoever if you monitor your system correctly.
With all of the scan probes out, scan the system for EVERYTHING when you KNOW it only has your corp in it (and you are locked in from closing your static but not opening the new static). Go to the site and clear it. Bring in the miners and release all drones. Scan again.
Now set the scanner to ignore all results.
Mine and scan.
If any sig or ship pops up from the combat scanner probes go back to the base. After an hour the probes will expire. If you recall them and release them again they will retain memory of your ignored list as long as you don't switch ships or leave the hole.
I don't know if you can fit the combat scanner probe on the orca or not, I always use a separate pilot for intel.
You would be hard pressed to die using this method of scanning. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.07.13 21:03:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 13/07/2011 21:06:51
As above, make sure the wormholes are closed, and always be checking dscan constantly. If you system is bigger than dscan, you will have to deploy a combat probe or deep space probe (can be done with Rorqual or Orca before hiding in the force field).
I don't recommend taking an Orca or Rorqual out of the POS force field in w-space.
I use 2 Hulks + Rorqual + Bustard. Hulks mine into jetcans, which Bustard delivers to Rorqual deployed in the POS force field.
Note: the CN EM amp on the Hulks is optional. A cheap meta 1 Visoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I also fits.
[Hulk, GTFO] Damage Control II 'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I
Invulnerability Field II Caldari Navy Magnetic Scattering Amplifier Additional Thermal Barrier Emitter I Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Arkonor Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Arkonor Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Arkonor Mining Crystal II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Vespa EC-600 x5
[Rorqual, Booster] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II
Command Processor I Command Processor I 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Dread Guristas Photon Scattering Field Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Capital Shield Booster I
Industrial Core I Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defense Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing Mining Foreman Link - Harvester Capacitor Efficiency Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement
Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Cargohold Optimization I
Warrior II x10 Garde II x5 Ogre II x5
[Bustard, Sturdy] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Damage Control II
Large Shield Extender II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II
Small Tractor Beam I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I
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Gurgeh Murat
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.14 14:59:00 -
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Try to keep evidence that you mine the WH to an absolute minimum i.e. always docking up orca/rorqual/hulks/covetetors when not being used and if you can avoid using a refining array that helps as well.
I lost a hulk once to a sneaky b@stard who must have seen our refining array then scanned down the only grav site in the wh and logged off there. Logged on with his Broadsword right on top of me and voila, free return ticket to empire space and a new clone needed :(
For Wh's covetor > hulk
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Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2011.07.14 17:15:00 -
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How does one get a Rorqual into a wormhole system?
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Bulletproof Jr
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Posted - 2011.07.14 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Salpad How does one get a Rorqual into a wormhole system?
You build it there.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.07.14 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 14/07/2011 18:52:00
Originally by: Bulletproof Jr
Originally by: Salpad How does one get a Rorqual into a wormhole system?
You build it there.
Or in my case, in a C5 we wait for a lowsec (or NPC nulsec), buy the Rorqual, jump it to the lowsec system with the wormhole and go through the wormhole (I don't recommend jumping directly to the wormhole, rather jump to a station in the same system).
I did build a Rorqual in a C2 once, but I self-destructed it before moving out, in order to at least get the default insurance payout. I don't really recommend building any capital in C1-C4, as it is an immovable asset.
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Wintz
Sudden Buggery
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Posted - 2011.07.15 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander I did build a Rorqual in a C2 once, but I self-destructed it before moving out, in order to at least get the default insurance payout. I don't really recommend building any capital in C1-C4, as it is an immovable asset.
Translation: Sic Transit Gloria was having a TERRIBLE week. http://www.suddenbuggery.com/killboard/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=104
The word is that it was you triple boxing the cap ships. If you could dig back through your mail history I could use a laugh, forward any of your sadpanda corp mails to Wintz.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.07.15 07:28:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 15/07/2011 07:33:59
Originally by: Wintz Translation: Sic Transit Gloria was having a TERRIBLE week. http://www.suddenbuggery.com/killboard/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=104
The word is that it was you triple boxing the cap ships. If you could dig back through your mail history I could use a laugh, forward any of your sadpanda corp mails to Wintz.
No it wasn't me in the capitals. I was the idiot in the expensive Tengu though. I probably lost more than the value of the capitals combined. That's what happens when fools like me rush in.
Sorry, no tears then or now. I look at every loss as a learning experience, and we certainly learned a lot from that encounter!
It was good lesson, particularly in humility. Trinket's Friend was especially helpful in the advice he gave us afterwards, which we happily paid him a consulting fee to obtain. We've not made the same mistakes since, though I'm sure we are still making others that will come to bite us eventually.
As for the Rorqual, we were already doing C4 systems regularly out of the C2 with the C3 static (J162700), and we had been considering a move. Of course, everyone hates having to move, real-life or in EVE. The siege of the system was the incentive we needed to pull up the tent stakes and move the circus. I was disappointed the explosion wasn't more epic when then countdown reached zero.
Trinket's was right about it being stupid having such expensive assets stuck in there that we couldn't walk away from.
We owe Temporal Abyss alliance and Sudden Buggery a debt of gratitude for both the education, as expensive as it was, and the incentive to finally move. You are a cool bunch of people that really know your w-space PvP. o7
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RESPAWN AGAIN
Gallente EdgeGamers Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2011.07.15 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander We owe Temporal Abyss alliance and Sudden Buggery a debt of gratitude for both the education, as expensive as it was, and the incentive to finally move. You are a cool bunch of people that really know your w-space PvP. O7
While TA may no longer be around, SNAFU. would be more then happy to educate you some more some time.
I"m just sad that I missed all of the fun the first time around. I think I was out of town at the time.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.07.15 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: RESPAWN AGAIN
While TA may no longer be around, SNAFU. would be more then happy to educate you some more some time.
Heh, well it would probably be the incentive to mark the end of our w-space careers, as we have already begun talking about leaving it. I've been in w-space pretty much since I started EVE over 2 years ago. I have no idea what I even look like in the Captain's Quarters
At least this time we consider everything in the w-space system to be already lost (disposable). A lesson we learned, and I've been trying to pass on to others ever since.
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Zain Stone
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Posted - 2011.07.17 08:55:00 -
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So how do I close a wormhole and make sure I am on the correct side of it?
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