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Religous Reclaimer47 Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.09.18 21:44:00 - [1] - Quote WTF are they thinking, they fix hybrids so they compete very well vs all others and now they are basically crapping on the last good missile group in the game. You will be killing ALL MISSILES IN PVP FROM CRUISER UP TO DREADS, Hell they can make tracking blap dreads, oh yeah not caldari missiles, they can snipe with missiles, yeah if you wnna wait the 15-25 secs and do it in a paper thin slow ass raven that can be instapoped by a Rokh or Mael fleet. But its ok we will beat them up close with torps right? Wrong.....YOU ARE KILLING AND HAVE KILLED ALL PVP use for missiles. Hams need a boost to tracking and DPS and are the only weapons now that have worse tracking than there long range bro`s but thats not HML`s fault. Also currently Ravens are totally useless with both Cruise and Torps, which both need upgrades as well. So instead of fixing any of this, they nerf the 1 group that is working well. Hell my alliance doesnt use HML`s outside Tengu`s but im still pissed. Please CCP for the love of god fix missiles so they are usable besides Stealth Bombers. And make the Ravens tank and the Rohks reversed. WTF do you give a insta DMG sniper platform like the Rohk 160k EHP and the Raven that relies on Missiles that take time to hit and apply DMG a weak tank to die before there missiles land? Seriously Caldari`s main weapons are missiles so WTF do all our highend ships use Hybrids? Why make missiles long range when they are so much better at close range? Why make cruises 250km range when it takes 30 secs to hit a damned target and a 100 man Rokh fleet killed 10 of your ships in that time? Merlin should be like Hawk not Harpy Moa should be like Caracal with big tank and bonus to HAMS Drake is right except double its bonus to HAMS while halving HML`s instead of killing the weapons themselves. Just like all the other T3 BS`s make the Rokh a MISSILE BOAT/Brawler Abby=Brawler Mael=Faster Brawler with Alpha capability Hyp=Brawler with HUGE DPS Rokh=Sniper and uses our secondary racial weapons type???? I have heard so much about making ships more uniform and fixing there roles etc, well fix this, BS`s are some of the most important classes in the game and Caldari aside from 1 sniper fit sucks ass. Hams are only weapons system where the close range one has worse tracking and not much better DPS, but its not because HML`s are so great, its because HAMS suck right now compared to ACS`s/Blasters and Pulses. Ravens unlike Tempests are slow sluggish beasts with only missiles as options, 1 of which you need to be at 100km + to use and they still suck at DPS and take 10+ Secs to hit target [by then they can warp off] or 2 need to be so close at 20km that there big slow ass with very little tank is dead, because its in point range. So stop telling us you are balancing ships but really slowly making Missiles totally useless in now both PVP and PVE, before the excuse was Missiles are PVE....Well now they arent, Hybrids are back to being great ACS is great and switches DMG and Pulses have Scorch. Also all T2 Ammo is pretty much fixed now. Please you either leave HML`s alone and dont nerf them or completely revamp all of missiles and make Caldari what it is....a MISSILE RACE....just as Gal is Blasters then drones, So is Caldari Missiles then Hybrids...Otherwise take missiles out of the game if they are gonna be so useless. Sorry for writing im pissed on an IPHONE after reading the Mittani on the HML nerf.
Diapara Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy 0	Posted - 2012.09.18 21:50:00 - [2] - Quote This is the best part of the great CCP "rebalancing" efforts - Tasty carebear tears.
Kail Storm Total Mayhem. Northern Coalition. 0	Posted - 2012.09.18 22:03:00 - [3] - Quote I miss the days when Cruises could hit frigs :) admittedly OP, but I get your point. As if now the only time I get to use a Caldari ship is Tengu and that will change now as well. They are the only Dreads terrible for making them track so you right no blap. All there ships with 25% Resist are Hybrid which really is owned by Gal and since Range is a shield, I wish Cald could have Hybrids for long range missiles for short, but make missiles badass. Torps IMO should be the highest DPS ships in game, higher than Blasters since there tracking is way worse, also Cruises should move at 2x speed to actually use them. I agree Caldari Missiles ships are a bad breed of low speed 0 Fall-off and medicore DMG even the Shortrange ones, and the long range missiles have better tracking than short range. I wish Missiles had a range at which there tracking was the best then like a fall off the tracking got terrible, it is stupid that in space they just stop, gameplay wise as well. Or make them niche and have Torps do some sort of AOE DMG. Point is we dont use Drakes but killing HML`s kill`s alot of other ships like the caracal that has paper tank will die with no range and really should become the "Brawler", same with Kestrel make it the 25% resist and give it huge Rocket DMG I agree CCP has always hated missiles for PVP, maybe because they wanna limit lag but, they need to find a way to stay true to Caldari`s "Missiles number 1" while having them stay relevant in PVP, right now they arent at all, look at the Lol Raven. And your fact about cruises was funny, its true I cant remember last time I saw a cruise missile in PVP. All they will do is make Tengu PVE`ers go to CNR`s and PVP will never see a missile again....Thin kabout what you are doing CCP. And I have no reason to defend Drakes as my side hates them. But if you remove 2 huge fleet ships like the Drake and Tengu you better add 2-3 more serious fleet ships to make up for it, ships like the T raven where if you are within 25km you are dead and make them track based on range, afterall in space if they ran ou of fuel they would still moveforward just not be able to correct course, AKA tracking. Your gonna **** off alot of subscribers with this.
Kail Storm Total Mayhem. Northern Coalition. 0	Posted - 2012.09.18 22:05:00 - [4] - Quote Diapara wrote: This is the best part of the great CCP "rebalancing" efforts - Tasty carebear tears. Im no Bear but, in a game with Missiles, it certainly doesnt offer much in the way of PVP for them does it? And the one ship abused so much because only 1 Missile ship is viable is the reason this is coming about. Also Tengu fleets arent carebears. I wish they would make missiles more challenging but if you are gonna make them blow just remove them from game. Also his whole post was about PVP, where did you see PVE? While im glad newbs will have to learn how to really fight, i am sad that CCP hasnt made missiles a proper fighting tool yet. Lol to GSF/CFC and the like now you will have to try to counter us with our own ship types :)
Kosetzu Avitus Lugus 13	Posted - 2012.09.18 22:14:00 - [5] - Quote What have you been drinking... Missiles do not have tracking... They have explosion velocity. Hybrids and not "second-grade" weapon system for Caldari, they have plenty of Hybrids ships so calling them a missile race is misleading. They excel better at range than Gallente usually, and are often bonused towards this as well. Missiles have good points just as they have bad points as well. If you don't like the flight time maybe you should train up for some turrets? If you use missiles you just try to keep as high transversal as possible, as it does not affect how your missiles hit their target. @Kail Storm: Torps used to have AoE and was perhaps the most OP thing in the game at the time. It would be like firing smartbombs that explode around the target.
Diapara Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy 0	Posted - 2012.09.18 22:15:00 - [6] - Quote The big point is that it's yet another rebalance, or nerf, or whatever. I just don't see the point complaining to CCP about it. Today it's HMLs. Tomorrow, maybe projectiles. The next day, maybe it'll be lasers. Who knows? We'll adjust fleet doctrines and move on. The mighty nerf bat strikes randomly and perhaps without reason. I'll save my nerdrage for other things. Until then, delicious tears.
Kahega Amielden Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 513	Posted - 2012.09.18 22:27:00 - [7] - Quote I'm not even going to bother going into the depths of terrible in your post, but Quote: Please you either leave HML`s alone and dont nerf them or completely revamp all of missiles and make Caldari what it is Since when was Caldari a missile race? Caldari have always had at least as many rail platforms as gun platforms. Quote: And make the Ravens tank and the Rohks reversed. WTF do you give a insta DMG sniper platform like the Rohk 160k EHP and the Raven that relies on Missiles that take time to hit and apply DMG a weak tank to die before there missiles land? In case you haven't noticed, CCP has not announced their battleship lineup changes.
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 1544	Posted - 2012.09.18 22:31:00 - [8] - Quote Watch out ladies and gents, this one is soo mad. So mad. So. Mad. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
Dibblerette The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY 91	Posted - 2012.09.18 23:02:00 - [9] - Quote You ever been so mad you forgot to grammar? That aside, other missiles aren't really as bad as you think. Rockets are fine, Light missiles are getting a buff to damage, and HAMs have their niche. Admittedly things get strange once you get to BS and up sized missiles, I feel like torpedoes should have a longer base range than HAMs, and cruise missiles do like what, 4 dps?
Hatsumi Kobayashi Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 203	Posted - 2012.09.18 23:23:00 - [10] - Quote For a second there I thought this was Chris Crocker. CAUTION SNIGGS
ashley Eoner 59	Posted - 2012.09.19 01:58:00 - [11] - Quote Dibblerette wrote: You ever been so mad you forgot to grammar? That aside, other missiles aren't really as bad as you think. Rockets are fine, Light missiles are getting a buff to damage, and HAMs have their niche. Admittedly things get strange once you get to BS and up sized missiles, I feel like torpedoes should have a longer base range than HAMs, and cruise missiles do like what, 4 dps? Don't worry I'm sure cruise missiles will be nerfed next. I mean seriously they have like totally such long range and stuff yo.. 2 dps!!
Mina Sebiestar Mactabilis Simplex Cursus 88	Posted - 2012.09.19 03:50:00 - [12] - Quote Smell like harvest in here... "it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again"
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 748	Posted - 2012.09.19 19:04:00 - [13] - Quote What is all this fuss about? Diapara wrote: This is the best part of the great CCP "rebalancing" efforts - Tasty carebear tears. Seems pretty accurate to me. brb
John Ratcliffe Sausy Sausages 24	Posted - 2012.09.19 20:06:00 - [14] - Quote Diapara wrote: This is the best part of the great CCP "rebalancing" efforts - Tasty carebear tears. Grow up d*ck. People have got a right to feel aggrieved if their favourite ship is getting spanked with the nerf bat. I'm not condoning some of the hysterical posts, but the grumpy and aggressive ones are fine. The men waved their hats, the ladies their umbrellas. One felt they would have liked to touch the steel muscles of the most courageous champions since antiquity. Who will carry off the first prize, entering the pantheon where only supermen may go?
Cephelange du'Krevviq Hephaestus LLC Get Off My Lawn 53	Posted - 2012.09.19 20:26:00 - [15] - Quote John Ratcliffe wrote: Diapara wrote: This is the best part of the great CCP "rebalancing" efforts - Tasty carebear tears. Grow up d*ck. People have got a right to feel aggrieved if their favourite ship is getting spanked with the nerf bat. I'm not condoning some of the hysterical posts, but the grumpy and aggressive ones are fine. No one outside of the dev team knows exactly how the Drake will look after the re-balancing. So, save your teeth gnashing and shirt rending for then. You've been crying all over Ships and Modules about how CCP is nerfing "your" Drake.
John Ratcliffe Sausy Sausages 24	Posted - 2012.09.19 20:52:00 - [16] - Quote Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote: No one outside of the dev team knows exactly how the Drake will look after the re-balancing. So, save your teeth gnashing and shirt rending for then. You've been crying all over Ships and Modules about how CCP is nerfing "your" Drake. I think you'll find that I've been complaining not crying. The difference is panache And I'm not the only one so get over yourself The men waved their hats, the ladies their umbrellas. One felt they would have liked to touch the steel muscles of the most courageous champions since antiquity. Who will carry off the first prize, entering the pantheon where only supermen may go?
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 2246	Posted - 2012.09.19 20:53:00 - [17] - Quote The thing that amazes me is how people always claim that their race is somehow precluded from PVP due to ****** game mechanics that always stack up against them. They say that you can't PVP in a missile ship, yet I do so regularly. I still have 2x as many kills in Drakes as I do in all other ships combined - and every single one of those is solo/small gang. Furthermore, with the TE/TC changes incoming I'm fairly confident that missiles will be better in PVP than ever before. Yeah, so you won't be able to use a long range weapons system like it's short range, but that's a good thing. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Cephelange du'Krevviq Hephaestus LLC Get Off My Lawn 53	Posted - 2012.09.19 20:55:00 - [18] - Quote John Ratcliffe wrote: I think you'll find that I've been complaining not crying. The difference is panache Okay, I'll concede that point. As to your other, you've been one of the more prolific complainers.
Eternal Error Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 137	Posted - 2012.09.20 00:53:00 - [19] - Quote 1. Didn't read that at all. 2. The HML nerf is well deserved in relation to other medium LR weapon systems, although all the turrets (particularly rails) could use a buff. I suspect the HML nerf is more of a quick hotfix rather than a long term solution as CCP pretty much has to revisit medium LR weapons eventually. 3. I'm glad you think you're special enough to start another thread for this. 4. With TEs/TCs affecting missiles (something that I'm not particularly sold on, especially allowing TDs to disrupt missile boats), HAMs just got way, way meaner. Once these buffs go through, the "new" HAM drake will be far meaner than any of the old HML drakes for all applications except large fleet warfare.
The VC's Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 23	Posted - 2012.09.20 02:26:00 - [20] - Quote Learn to shoot straight and fly a real ship. Their damage level offsets the fact that it takes no effort to land a quality hit.
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 1550	Posted - 2012.09.20 03:04:00 - [21] - Quote I'm just going to leave this here. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
Smabs Higher Than Everest BricK sQuAD. 66	Posted - 2012.09.20 03:10:00 - [22] - Quote I don't get the comparisons with medium rails and beams. It'll just be making 3 of the 4 LR weapons equally useless. I don't see a sudden spike in eagle sales because HML's get nerfed.
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 1550	Posted - 2012.09.20 03:16:00 - [23] - Quote Smabs wrote: I don't get the comparisons with medium rails and beams. It'll just be making 3 of the 4 LR weapons equally useless. I don't see a sudden spike in eagle sales because HML's get nerfed. That's because all medium-gun railgun platforms (Moa, Eagle, Ferox) are somewhat misconceived. Why they get a tank bonus is a mystery, and no decent damage bonus results in **-poor damage at range. They also begin to suffer from on-grid warp distance limits (especially the Eagle), since sniping from 120+ km is useless when the enemy can warp almost on top of you immediately if they get probes on you. So, no, you won't see a sudden spike in Eagle sales, but there may be a rise in Zealot and Muninn sales (which are not bad because of other reasons). Also even that won't happen yet, since most of the Eve community is oblivious to changes until they happen because they don't read forums, changelogs, or check SiSi. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com Accidentally The Whole Frigate** (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
Smabs Higher Than Everest BricK sQuAD. 66	Posted - 2012.09.20 03:29:00 - [24] - Quote You'll see more munins for sure. Probably not so much zealots outside of those big ahac fleets. Nobody is going to fly LR harbingers, feroxes or brutixes. The problem is that in a small to mid size gang it's generally better to use a tier 3 bc with short range guns, than a tier 2 with long range (munins and arty canes being the exception). So for instance the oracle with megapulse can hit 45 + 10 with no tracking mods. An armor oracle with 2 TC can hit to 58 + 16. A shield tanked one with 2 TE has the same range. Equally an 800mm nado has 42-52km range at falloff depending on how many tracking enhancers are on it. Same goes for a talos with null - it'll hit hard right out to 50 or 60km with really good tracking. Neutron naga goes out to about 45. All of these ships are mobile, hard hitting and can track anything bigger than a frigate quite well, especially if they have web support.
Wardeneo Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.10.12 17:14:00 - [25] - Quote Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: What is all this fuss about? Diapara wrote: This is the best part of the great CCP "rebalancing" efforts - Tasty carebear tears. Seems pretty accurate to me. This! ^^ In honest opinion all the care bears are over reacting! It won't make missile ships useless, just more inline with other systems. And to all you tengu pilots (including myself) - u have to admit its a little overpowered compared to other ones - don't get me wrong I love using mine and spamming 5-600 DPS at 92km with my skills is abit overpowered ^^ All in all I welcome this change - and the whole TD affecting missiles is just gonna make missile pilots adapt more like turret based ship pilots have too ^^ -Wardeneo-
Kara Vix Sanford and Son Salvage Peregrine Nation 46	Posted - 2012.10.12 18:30:00 - [26] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: The thing that amazes me is how people always claim that their race is somehow precluded from PVP due to ****** game mechanics that always stack up against them. They say that you can't PVP in a missile ship, yet I do so regularly. I still have 2x as many kills in Drakes as I do in all other ships combined - and every single one of those is solo/small gang. Furthermore, with the TE/TC changes incoming I'm fairly confident that missiles will be better in PVP than ever before. Yeah, so you won't be able to use a long range weapons system like it's short range, but that's a good thing. -Liang Liang, you are simply too good for these forums, always bringing logic and rationale to the discussion. I will bake some cookies in your honor!
Gypsio III Chemikals Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 396	Posted - 2012.10.12 19:09:00 - [27] - Quote Wardeneo wrote: And to all you tengu pilots (including myself) - u have to admit its a little overpowered compared to other ones - don't get me wrong I love using mine and spamming 5-600 DPS at 92km with my skills is a bit overpowered Future HAM Tengu can do a smootle under 700 DPS at ~70 km (with 5% implants). You can probably get a better combination of range and damage, I just EFTed it in response to some bear whining that since the Tengu could no longer do about 700 DPS at 70 km, it would be USELESS!
Lord Ryan True Xero 716	Posted - 2012.10.12 19:59:00 - [28] - Quote Kail Storm wrote: Your gonna **** off alot of subscribers with this. Do you have boobs? Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient. Nerf it cause I can't fly it. I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes.
CorInaXeraL Order of the Silver Dragons Silver Dragonz 241	Posted - 2012.10.12 20:38:00 - [29] - Quote Judging by the outcry...FOTM will be changing again here soon. HA!
chris elliot EG CORP Talocan United 50	Posted - 2012.10.13 14:51:00 - [30] - Quote Diapara wrote: This is the best part of the great CCP "rebalancing" efforts - Tasty carebear tears. I have multiple tanker trucks full of carebear tears that will power my spaceships for many many many months off this update alone. In fact, I almost have enough tears to take a gamble at using them as an alternative fuel to solve the worlds energy crisis.

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