Is this some attempt to one-up James315?

I spose this the WoWs response to James315.

I wouldn't lump industrialists and miners together with carebears. Carebears are a very specific group of players. The former take advantage of the opportunities that risk presents, while the latter want risk to disappear entirely.

I still pretty much agree with the whole thing though. Those people are like locusts. They devour every bit of life from a game before moving on to the next one. EVE isn't the first such game to go through this ordeal, and won't be the last.

The thing is, the gain from having them might be worth losing tons of later income, especially if you discount heavily.

On a darker note, if you are planning to make use of the Zuckerberg IPO Exit Strategy, boosting your earnings heavily, even if unsustainable, and making a good story might allow you to make VERY significant gains. Because selling for much higher than the "true" value (whatever one thinks that is) might be a great deal.

If CCP is doing this to cash out, then we're ****** anyway. Even disregarding the changes they'd make to be able to cash out properly, the only companies wealthy enough to make the buyout would turn EVE into a sterilized white-box venture.

Enjoyable read but way too short.

I recommend the next one to be couple of posts long.

It all depends on how you classify a carebear.

Is it the people that just play the PVE portion of the game, is it the miners, the industrialists & traders or is it anybody that refuses to adapt?

I kind of fall into the first category, I primarily just do PVE & trading however I accept that others are free to interfere in what I do and adapt accordingly or ignore their attempts to bait me into a fight. That said I've done wormholes, roamed through losec and been exploded and caused others to do the same in both places. (not on this character, no presence on killboards at all is better than the presence I do have on my alt )

Am I a parasite, a carebear or someone just meandering along their own path dipping my toes into various parts of the Eve experience until I find something I both enjoy and don't actually suck at?

(of sorts, anyway - the Jita undock campers are an odd community).

Suffer not a parasite to live.

Unfortunately they are multiplying.

Primarily in Null Security space.

Some refer to them as "Elitists", "Losers" or as a more common layman's pejorative "Nullbear". I find all of these definitions contrite and amorphous. Is it a playstyle, personality defect, or necessary evil? I am a personal advocate of the idea that all playstyles are valid, but not all attitudes held by players are "good" for the overall health of the game.

I shall posit an argument to label "Nullbear" not as a person, or a playstyle so much as it is an attitude of entitlement. The attitude of a parasite. Not predator, not prey, but parasite. The desire to manipulate it's host to ignore it and continue it's cycle of feeding, unrestricted growth, excretion, and pernicious systemic spread until it's host expires under the sheer toxicity of it's presence.

You can recognize a parasite easily. They are usually innocuous looking and small, singularly they are non- threatening to their larger host. They typically have no intimidating natural defenses with the exception of the ability to numb the host's senses to their presence. They often use subtle manipulation of the host and get the host to behave in ways that are detrimental to the continued vital existence of the host. Once firmly attached they can cause significant pain and discomfort to the host should the host notice the threat to it's life and try to forcibly remove them.

And thus it is happening to New Eden.

The parasitic attitude has started to settle in and nibble away at our host.

"How dare someone in High security space make money! How dare you produce planetary goods at a much lower rate than I, with a guaranteed 10% tax! How dare you to not participate in blob warfare! How dare you impede my growth!"

Thus is the attitude of the parasite.

It is not that they chose to pvp. It is not that they chose to stay in null-sec. It is not that they chose to moon mine, Rat the best rats in the game, or gank freighters.

"How dare you avoid interacting with me."

Industry in EvE is vital. I will not argue that. Those that wish to pursue mining, manufacturing, research, and material handling are necessary. They can be strong content drivers, if not forces of nature. Just look at the legendary Chribba. This is proof that non-violent gameplay is not only possible, but profitable, and rewarding. But what is the difference between Chribba and the parasite that protests vehemently against ganking and pines for a PvP free hi-sec?


The parasite wants to feed off the people around him. The parasite doesn't want those people to interact with him, he just wants to gain from them. The parasite just wants to feed, and grow, and go unnoticed until it is bloated and fat and it's lack of respect or contribution has caused the death of the very thing feeding it. And it will inevitably slough itself of to another host, where it will again, grow fat, multiply and kill it's host.

"But Mouse! Parasites are paying customers, too! What makes their money any better or worse than yours? Shouldn't CCP try and make as much money as possible so we can keep playing the game that we like?"

Well the obvious non stupid answer is, Yes. For a while. And then the revenue stops. And through the persistent manipulation of the host, they will kill it.

"How is this?", you may ask.

The goal of almost EVERY player I have talked to that had the parasitic attitude is stroke their ego and steal whenever the opportunity arrises, as well as destroying as many assets that any other parasite, or living being may have. At this point they are no longer contributing anything, not to themselves, not to the community, not even to the host. Some even resort to using automated software to make the ISK to pay for the PLEX to contribute nothing of value to the player base. They are no longer financially supporting the host, and even worse they are actively denying content to the player base. This in turn will drive those that are paying for PLEX with real money away, even further securing the safety of the parasite, and dooming the host.

And then they have the audacity, no, the temerity to declare.

"I'm bored.".

To this I say.

By Fire. Be Purged!

Am I a parasite, a carebear or someone just meandering along their own path dipping my toes into various parts of the Eve experience until I find something I both enjoy and don't actually suck at?

Well, atleast you have a choice,mate... I probably suck at anything I enjoy.

Yes, even IRL.

Well, atleast you have a choice,mate... I probably suck at anything I enjoy.

Yes, even IRL.

I'm sure you're an amazing poster. There's lost of amazing posters on EVEO GD, after all

At this time in the morning, the use of the word mate.. I spy a Kiwi or an Aussie, either that or another insomniac Brit.

At this time in the morning, the use of the word mate.. I spy a Kiwi or an Aussie, either that or another insomniac Brit.

Who are all these people you have talked to, who refuse to interact with anyone? How did you talk to them?

Your final statement appears to be that you dislike ISK farmers, most of all the ones who automate their gameplay for the sake of producing ISK. This conflicts directly with your opening statement about hisec industrialists being the parasites. The greatest fountains of ISK in the game are nullsec anomalies being pillaged by AFK carriers, or carrier-assisted Tengus. Or fleets of sentry Domis left AFK for hours on end.

So please take some time to sort your opinion out before you come to the forums to espouse your particular ideology.

And remember the call to action: remind everyone that this job is too big for one person to take on alone, and that it is only by action in solidarity with other ISK-farmer hunters that the evil will be wiped from the game.

Of course, you will need to ensure some kind of amnesty or safe haven for your own ISK farming fleet. And don't predate too heavily, lest CCP decide that your actions are somehow profitable and thus undesirable.

But first, clarify your thinking on this. Matter. Your opinion is important but it does need to be better informed.

Suffer not a parasite to live.

Unfortunately they are multiplying.

Primarily in High Security space.

Some refer to them as "Industrialists", "PvEers" or as a more common layman's pejorative "Carebear". I find all of these definitions contrite and amorphous. Is it a playstyle, personality defect, or necessary evil? I am a personal advocate of the idea that all playstyles are valid, but not all attitudes held by players are "good" for the overall health of the game.

I shall posit an argument to label "Carebear" not as a person, or a playstyle so much as it is an attitude of entitlement. The attitude of a parasite. Not predator, not prey, but parasite. The desire to manipulate it's host to ignore it and continue it's cycle of feeding, unrestricted growth, excretion, and pernicious systemic spread until it's host expires under the sheer toxicity of it's presence.

You can recognize a parasite easily. They are usually innocuous looking and small, singularly they are non- threatening to their larger host. They typically have no intimidating natural defenses with the exception of the ability to numb the host's senses to their presence. They often use subtle manipulation of the host and get the host to behave in ways that are detrimental to the continued vital existence of the host. Once firmly attached they can cause significant pain and discomfort to the host should the host notice the threat to it's life and try to forcibly remove them.

And thus it is happening to New Eden.

The parasitic attitude has started to settle in and nibble away at our host.

"How dare someone interact with me! How dare he gank my un-tanked Hulk! How dare he blow up my undefended freighter full of T2 ship hulls! How dare you camp that gate! How dare you impede my growth!"

Thus is the attitude of the parasite.

It is not that they chose to mine. It is not that they chose to stay in hi-sec. It is not that they chose to haul, or run missions, or incursions.

"How dare you interact with me."

Industry in EvE is vital. I will not argue that. Those that wish to pursue mining, manufacturing, research, and material handling are necessary. They can be strong content drivers, if not forces of nature. Just look at the legendary Chribba. This is proof that non-violent gameplay is not only possible, but profitable, and rewarding. But what is the difference between Chribba and the parasite that protests vehemently against ganking and pines for a PvP free hi-sec?

Chribba made friends. He has allies. He has enemies too. But he is interacting with the people around him. And for his efforts has been rewarded. I don't care that Chribba mines Veldspar until it fills up a million station containers. He's involved in the game and the people around him. Chribba has created a lot of content for a lot of players. And did so non-violently.

The parasite does not want to interact with people around him. The parasite doesn't want those people to interact with him. The parasite just wants to feed, and grow, and go unnoticed until it is bloated and fat and it's lack of interaction or contribution has caused the death of the very thing feeding it. And it will inevitably slough itself of to another host, where it will again, grow fat, multiply and kill it's host.

"But Mouse! Parasites are paying customers, too! What makes their money any better or worse than yours? Shouldn't CCP try and make as much money as possible so we can keep playing the game that we like?"

Well the obvious non stupid answer is, Yes. For a while. And then the revenue stops. And through the persistent manipulation of the host, they will kill it.

"How is this?", you may ask.

The goal of almost EVERY player I have talked to that had the parasitic attitude is to generate enough "safe" income to PLEX their account/s. At this point they are no longer contributing anything, not to themselves, not to the community, not even to the host. Some even resort to using automated software to make the ISK to pay for the PLEX to contribute nothing of value to the player base. They are no longer financially supporting the host, and even worse they are actively denying content to the player base. This in turn will drive those that are paying for PLEX with real money away, even further securing the safety of the parasite, and dooming the host.

And then they have the audacity, no, the temerity to declare.

"I'm bored.".

To this I say.

By Fire. Be Purged!

People take this game far too seriously.

When will the null bears stop crying?

I wonder if James'315 knows your trying to get his sloppy seconds...

It amazes me how many people are so arrogant that they think Eve must be played there way. This is one of the major reasons a lot of those pilots in hisec stay there, they don't want some bombastic twit in Null Sec telling them exactly what they can do, when they can do it and if it resembles appropriate game play. People play Eve in many different ways. Get used to it. I think that is what attracted a lot of us to it. Also an idea that gets overlooked a lot is that a some players are here to play a space emulator, not your version of whatever version it is your selling at the moment.
If you don't like Carebears blow them up. Stop telling us why you're doing it. This wordy street sermon renaissance of anti-care bear role players is both amazing and boring.

this isn't about "people not playing your way" it's "carebears demanding that the game be changed drastically to suit them and only them"

Which becomes hilarious when you remember that EVE's main selling point is the ability to do that for yourself.

Also, wouldn't the ninjas be better candidates for parasites in the EVE-O food chain?

when will the worthless pubseccers stop crying about getting ganked with 20b of loot

This isn't about "people not playing your way" it's "carebears demanding that the game be changed drastically to suit them and only them"

OP, get some fresh air and put down Mein Kampf. Video game with spaceships, now repeat that out loud.

Is this some attempt to one-up James315?

Jewry has shown itself to be the thief of the material possessions of the host peoples, as a destroyer of culture and as a parasite everywhere and in every way from the dim past through the present day. The double face of Judah grins through the millennia.

The Jew bewitches and exploits the gullible, the ignorant, the trusting. He reserves for himself all the advantages of Mammon and capitalism, wealth and treasures, all the joys and pleasures of life. Yet for 3,000 years the Jew has complained about oppression and persecution, about hatred and prejudice against him. But the Jewry has gathered and swindled the worldGÇÖs money.

Jewry is the embodiment of materialism, the epitome of sensuality, of greed, of dishonesty, of selfishness, of heartlessness, and the lust for power.

In nature, there are creatures that can only live at the expense of hosts, from the life of other creatures: ...

One has to accept this law. One cannot change it. Pity, brotherly love and forgiveness are useless. There are no good or bad parasites, decent or indecent parasites (lice!). The parasite always creeps up looking harmless, innocent, as if it belonged there. It is often attractive. It acts as an infection. A small cut, swelling, an abscess, poisoning, the destruction of the whole body. The infested body grows weak, sleepy, it resists no longer, produces no antibodies. The doctor notices, gives injections Perhaps it is still not too late.

That is the natural law. He can not do differently. He needs a host people to be able to live himself.

This way of living is innate to the Jews, and laid down in their laws:

Citation from the Talmud: GÇ£Robbing Gentiles is permitted.GÇ¥

Zionist Leader Maurice Samuels: GÇ£We Jews are destroyers, and will always remain so.GÇ¥

Samuel Roth in Jess must life [sic]: GÇ£We have to have been a fruitful people from the beginning, but our main vice was the same then as now: parasitism. We are a miserly people who live from the labor and generosity of the rest of the world.GÇ¥

If a host people at the moment of its most desperate need draws on its own strength and shakes off the parasite, and makes itself forever immune to its return, the parasite must seek a new host people, or if none can be found, hinder the weakest or the most important in its attempt to develop its nature.

Is it just me or does it seem like some key concepts were plagarized from The Jewish World Plague by Hermann Esser ITT








Could be wrong, think I'm on the right track.

I wouldn't lump industrialists and miners together with carebears. Carebears are a very specific group of players. The former take advantage of the opportunities that risk presents, while the latter want risk to disappear entirely.

I still pretty much agree with the whole thing though. Those people are like locusts. They devour every bit of life from a game before moving on to the next one. EVE isn't the first such game to go through this ordeal, and won't be the last.

The carebear/locusts are exactly the type of people that newer games like SWTOR were designed for.. and there's a reason those games failed catastrophically soon after launch.

OP makes some good points, but I tend to agree with this post that notes there is a major difference between carebears (don't touch my stuffs and there should be no risk) and industrialists/miners.

The pvp pilot may only destroy. It lacks the instruments, the paradigm to allow any other form of interaction. IT is the blight... sorry starting to bore myself.

Please man, think.

You think the "pvp pilot" may have some industrial alts to build stuff too? Why do you think people would only do one thing in the game?

Lack of thinking, probably.

Alos, what happened to the Bling worshipping Incursion runner? Why aren't we punching them in the forums anymore? I thought they were bad for the game.

By Fire. Be Purged!

I find it highly amusing that the highsec haters don't realise that they themselves have created the problem. Time to face up to the reality of EvE. Lowsec is a wasteland of your own creation, and null is full of blues. Your selfishness has created a system whereby there is little reward to measure up to the insurmountable risks of traveling outside the comfort zone of highsec. EvE's learning curve is HUGE. Highsec is there to provide an area of safety where newer players can learn at least a part of this mass of knowledge, before (theoretically) advancing to low and null space. However, the true parasites of eve are waiting for them, eager for that pointless kill to show how awesome their pvp skills are. It's no wonder that newer players are put off, and that the majority of players reside in highsec (or stop playing). True, some of these players fall through the cracks and succeed, and go on to live in these areas of space. Others take the risk and throw themselves into the depths of null (and by god, i salute you!), but many more only experience a quick death in the jaws of a uber-pvp gatecamp, or be risk-free ganked in the very space that is supposedly safe. Such is the nature of EvE today, with cowardly campers and highsec gankers forcing their pvp onto players that are unwilling or unable to fight back. Its no wonder thay choose to stay in high, where the rewards, though small, do measure up to the risks.

Thats not even mentioning players that play EvE for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with PvP. The highsec haters will never understand this, thinking as they do that their opinion is the only one that counts, and that everyone should think as they do. But there are indeed many people that play eve that have zero interest in PvP, and will continue to subscribe to move stuff around, trade, build stuff, endlessly mine or do mission after mission after mission. Personally, i don't think this is a bad thing. EvE is a glorious game, that caters to many different types of players, both pvp and pve. Shouting "pvp-only-game!" while exploding their ship isn't going to change that. They will continue to play only in highsec, because that is what they enjoy about this game.

I personally thought that the suggested changes to the lowsec gategun mechanics was the single best suggestion for the betterment of EvE. It effectively leveled the playing field, and gave highsec players the chance to get a "foot in the door" into lowsec without immediately getting owned in a gatecamp. More players in lowsec = more targets, literally a win-win. The only difference was that these targets would need to be hunted and destroyed in system, while they are running sigs or belts. But no, the lowsec parasites couldn't handle the idea of their victims no-longer shuffling single-file into their uber-pvp camp. The idea of such a change to their privilaged niche was completely unacceptable, as if sitting on a gate is all they know. L33T PVP!! I guess the best targets are the ones that don't shoot back, right?

(And no, i don't live in highsec!)

I am also completely blown away by the stunning hypocrisy of carebears that insist that they should be allowed to 'play the game their way' and then scream blue murder and cry for nerfs when they are put at risk by other players.