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Dersen Lowery
Knavery Inc.
StructureDamage
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Posted - 2012.09.19 21:54:00 -
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87102-6 wrote:So again: why SSL? Politely: justify it. Unless you plan on extending the API to allow people to make changes in some way, I just don't see the point.
CCP has discussed this as a possibility, particularly in terms of corp management and updating the skill queue. Nothing has been (revealed as) decided yet, but if SSL keeps the option open then that's explanation enough, for now.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
657
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Posted - 2012.09.19 22:01:00 -
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I don't /want/ people to cache the data. As I've seen too many caching proxies screw stuff up.
And I'd prefer not to send credentials, even read only ones, clear text.
FuzzWork Enterprises
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Dawiid BenAimaic
Dasa Fern Valley Jamaican Rum Transport Corp
40
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Posted - 2012.09.20 00:15:00 -
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 I like the API, I use it with several 3rd party applications, phone apps, websites and with Google docs I have 10 spreadsheets with 10 to 20 pages each that make extensive use of the ImportXML command.
 Legacy keys can be a personal choice. I choose not to use them. It does not seem prudent to alienate your customers who do choose to use them.
 Converting to HTTPS for read only data which is authenticated only by a token pair does not make sense, there is zero benefit and much harm. Your API server does not enjoy 100% uptime, the downtime translates to a demand for caching proxie servers. I do not use a caching proxie server but when the API is down, I am unable to play the game for i am unable to make informed decisions. Setting up a caching proxie server was on my to do list because of your unreliability.
 If you have future plans to allow making changes in game using the API, I would respectfully suggest that you use the client user interface to make changes to in game values.
 I appreciate your letting me lookup names by TypeID but it would be nice to have an API that returns TypeId for names. My current workaround is using an SQL Query on data in EveHQ. |
Kaaletram Lothyrawir
Trust Brothers LLC.
The Veyr Collective
10
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Posted - 2012.09.20 00:48:00 -
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This might just be a pipe dream but is there any chance of adding access to War Reports to the API? or be able to compile them for viewing via 3rd party apps? |
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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
908
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Posted - 2012.09.20 01:51:00 -
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Tanaka Aiko wrote:I clicked on devblog link hoping for CREST news, left disappointed. This was indirectly CREST news, we are cleaning up legacy to be able to deploy the initial CREST framework and start the long transition from the API to CREST.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Kossaw
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
55
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Posted - 2012.09.20 03:46:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:but seriously you've had how many months? to cut your system over and you're choosing just now to complain
Well I'm really pleased for you that you've had the luxury of writing your own high quality object orientated code, have been able to keep it completely up to date and now only need to change 3 lines of code.
For the rest of us, stuck with maintaining ****** legacy code written by inbred morons (who think an object is something they hit with a hammer) and who have been quietly working away for the last 6 months aware that this issue was coming....
Well WE WOULD APPRECIATE SOME MORE F*CKING NOTICE THAN 2 WEEKS.
We would also like CCP to fix the MASSIVE functionality hole that allows a user to change their CAK after they registered it with our web sites, thereby completely gimping a host of security precautions. (and yes, it was bug reported and commented on extensively with a few weeks of the "new" API Key system being released)
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=17150&p=2
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Kossaw
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
55
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Posted - 2012.09.20 03:49:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:you can hardly call "3 ceo characters on one account" to be typical usage and worth stringing along an old, insecure system whose only other redeeming feature was making it easy to determine whether a person is worth scamming
The "old" system is in NO WAY insecure. It is however more functional if you are the guy writing the application code.
WTB : An image in my signature |
Magic Crisp
Amarrian Micro Devices
Silent Infinity
40
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Posted - 2012.09.20 06:55:00 -
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Just a sidenote. I know that consistency is not really CCP's cup of tea, but you should use the ISO8601 timezone format, like the website does on most place. It'd make it a lot more consistence, and readable. these randomly ordered formats are a pain, that's why we've got a wordwide standard for it. |
Golden Gnu
EVE University
Ivy League
67
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Posted - 2012.09.20 07:48:00 -
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@CCP Explorer
Transition:
The process or a period of changing from one state or condition to another
So you want to kill the API as well?
I do not understand why on earth you continue to invalidate all the work the community have put into improving the eve experiences.
A lot of older applications, that are no longer maintained, will be useless after you remove the old API keys.
If you move away from the current API, even more will follow.
IMHO 3rd party apps adds value to eve. You should support us - not fight us...
jEveAssets already moved to CAKe, but, I still get people who can not figure out they need a separate corporation key.
@Magic Crisp
Do not ask that kind of question - do you have any idea how much trouble it would cause if they changed the time format 
Download is the meaning of life, upload is the meaning of intelligent life
http://eve.nikr.net - home of jEveAssets |
Captain Thunk
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
129
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Posted - 2012.09.20 08:50:00 -
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Golden Gnu wrote:
jEveAssets already moved to CAKe, but, I still get people who can not figure out they need a separate corporation key.
This is the problem (not the altering of code).
Explaining to people that they've just entered a key but it's detected that it needs more just to maintain the same level of service they are used to with Legacy keys.
And you have to check the validity of the key on every use because the user might have gone back to the Eve website and changed the privileges for the key.
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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
908
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Posted - 2012.09.20 10:14:00 -
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Golden Gnu wrote:@CCP ExplorerTransition:The process or a period of changing from one state or condition to another So you want to kill the API as well? I do not understand why on earth you continue to invalidate all the work the community have put into improving the eve experiences. A lot of older applications, that are no longer maintained, will be useless after you remove the old API keys. If you move away from the current API, even more will follow. IMHO 3rd party apps adds value to eve. You should support us - not fight us... No timeframe has been decided, but we are probably looking at 3-5 years from the time CREST comes online. The reasons we have to deprecate old tech to move forward are really detailed in this dev blog http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=1777 I wrote in 2009. Even if it's about minimum OS requirements then the same underlying principles apply here.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
657
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Posted - 2012.09.20 10:57:00 -
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Dawiid BenAimaic wrote:I appreciate your letting me lookup names by TypeID but it would be nice to have an API that returns TypeId for names. My current workaround is using an SQL Query on data in EveHQ.
edit:
http://wiki.eve-id.net/APIv2_Eve_CharacterID_XML
It's a non-documented use, but it should work. Though has problems with some things.
alternate (which I whipped up)
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/api/typeid.php?typename=Tritanium
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/api/typeid.php?typename=Tritanium&format=xml
FuzzWork Enterprises
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Golden Gnu
EVE University
Ivy League
67
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Posted - 2012.09.21 11:31:00 -
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@CCP Explorer
Thank you for your reply (to my somewhat angry post) 
Time is not really in you favor. The longer you wait, the more apps will be created using the current API.
Knowing in advance is great, but, it will not save stuff that are no longer maintained.
Unmaintained apps might not move forward, but, they can still be great IMHO.
Anyway, enough with the rants.
I'm just sad to see programs die with this change...
Download is the meaning of life, upload is the meaning of intelligent life
http://eve.nikr.net - home of jEveAssets |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
659
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Posted - 2012.09.21 12:46:00 -
[44] - Quote
Golden Gnu wrote:@CCP ExplorerThank you for your reply (to my somewhat angry post) Time is not really in you favor. The longer you wait, the more apps will be created using the current API. Knowing in advance is great, but, it will not save stuff that are no longer maintained. Unmaintained apps might not move forward, but, they can still be great IMHO. Anyway, enough with the rants. I'm just sad to see programs die with this change...
So... Who wants to write a gateway for the api, to convert from legacy keys to CAKs?
FuzzWork Enterprises
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Golden Gnu
EVE University
Ivy League
67
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Posted - 2012.09.22 09:25:00 -
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@Steve Ronuken
Someone that will make me a happy camper
Download is the meaning of life, upload is the meaning of intelligent life
http://eve.nikr.net - home of jEveAssets |
Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
295
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Posted - 2012.09.23 02:46:00 -
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Am I the only one who thinks it weird we're doing Spring cleaning in the Fall? 
..aside from that; good idea. 
Maybe I was actually sleeping in front of my computer and dreamed I posted. Certainly, it's not there now. |
Essack Leadae
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.23 17:37:00 -
[47] - Quote
Maybe CCP should update all help links who are in the creation page of a CAK... It would motive to use this new system...
I created one link for research jobs but I clicked to the help button to know how use it. The help tell me to use a userID/apiKey/characterID while I only get an ID (for what ?) and a verification code... |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
662
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Posted - 2012.09.23 17:54:00 -
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Essack Leadae wrote:Maybe CCP should update all help links who are in the creation page of a CAK... It would motive to use this new system...
I created one link for research jobs but I clicked to the help button to know how use it. The help tell me to use a userID/apiKey/characterID while I only get an ID (for what ?) and a verification code...
keyID and vCode
You'll still need the character id (which is your own id. http://api.eve-online.com/eve/CharacterID.xml.aspx?names=Steve%20Ronuken gets mine)
You can always update the Evelopedia api pages yourself. I tend to update them when I drop by looking. But I don't do that often, so not many are done.
FuzzWork Enterprises
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
204
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Posted - 2012.09.23 19:05:00 -
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Would it really be SPRING cleaning?
There just isn't anything intresting on the front page of the GD anymore. Yawn! |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
662
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Posted - 2012.09.23 21:06:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:Would it really be SPRING cleaning?
They're obviously paying attention to our antipodean Bros.
FuzzWork Enterprises
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
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Dawiid BenAimaic
Dasa Fern Valley Jamaican Rum Transport Corp
40
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Posted - 2012.09.23 22:07:00 -
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about 40% of the importXML statements in Google spreadsheets are not working today..
All my spreadsheets are broken. |
Ken Kyoukan
6
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Posted - 2012.09.24 18:16:00 -
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Dawiid BenAimaic wrote:about 40% of the importXML statements in Google spreadsheets are not working today.. All my spreadsheets are broken.
Known google issue, tweak them to the correct https api call and hopefully they will refresh, otherwise drop them to http and let CCP's http to https conversion handle it.
The problem is with google docs/drive's import function, it doesn't read the cache until part of the xml as not every xml source uses it, I have been trying to get this corrected but like everything else it takes time.
Another method is to append "&day="&today() which forces it to use the day as a reference, this recalculates when you open the sheet but should cache it for that day.
A quick example:
Importxml("https://api.eveonline.com/eve/TypeName.xml.aspx?ids=34,35&day="&today(),"//@typename")
I'm also trying to get some gas (Google Application Script) work done to fix this but as the api is already on it's way out in favor of CREST, it may be safer to wait and see.
CCP: CREST / API
When will we get a direct cached market listing from the game rather than using the market cache uploaders and in some cases an igb market scanner, which can cause a lot of server stress on the in game market server.
At least with a cache you could set cache update timers, and the main game servers can get hit a little less hard for us to get this information.
Just for players reference these out of game prices are what eve central, battleclinic, evemon, eft, eve market data, etc all use as do several killboards.
All of these require players to keep them updated so much so the current evemon has an inbuilt cache uploader, whilst some marketing sites use an igb rapid scan to read the prices of everything at a speed of 1 second per item.
CREST / API could internally cache this at set time intervals directly from the main market server feeds and cut out this whole data chain and the potential game lag it causes.
I wouldn't be surprised if the jita player limit didn't rise if this market information was available without the lag of market scanning.
Note: I would be happy to discuss this with CCP, CSM & other players. |
Herr Nerdstrom
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.09.27 11:58:00 -
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Minor point: US and EU read numeric dates in reverse order, so to a US person the dates listed on the blog are actually April of 2012. How about using 4-Oct-2012 to disambiguate?
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Ken Kyoukan
6
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Posted - 2012.09.28 20:27:00 -
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Herr Nerdstrom wrote:Minor point: US and EU read numeric dates in reverse order, so to a US person the dates listed on the blog are actually April of 2012. How about using 4-Oct-2012 to disambiguate?
Yes please use the eve format like this forum: Year Month Day Hour Minute (Seconds)
- It's generic
- It's the same as the forums and game
I can list the custom format for google docs and other spreadsheets on request. |
xp3ll3d
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.10.17 12:12:00 -
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One issue with moving EVERYTHING over to HTTPS, are things like profile pictures.
HTTPS requests cannot be cached on the client, which means profile images will be downloaded EVERY time you use them in an app, rather than being cached.
You might want to think about leaving things like that on HTTP. |
hfo df
Ramm's RDI
Tactical Narcotics Team
10
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Posted - 2012.10.17 13:00:00 -
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Hi, since the change today i'm getting:
Quote: wget https://api.eveonline.com/--2012-10-17 12:40:40-- https://api.eveonline.com/Resolving api.eveonline.com... 87.237.39.199 Connecting to api.eveonline.com|87.237.39.199|:443... connected. ERROR: cannot verify api.eveonline.comGÇÖs certificate, issued by GÇ£/C=US/O=GeoTrust, Inc./CN=RapidSSL CAGÇ¥: Unable to locally verify the issuerGÇÖs authority. To connect to api.eveonline.com insecurely, use GÇÿ--no-check-certificateGÇÖ.
and
Quote:javax.net.ssl.SSLHandshakeException: sun.security.validator.ValidatorException: PKIX path building failed: sun.security.provider.certpath.SunCertPathBuilderException: unable to find valid certification path to requested target
and
Quote:ERROR: The certificate of GÇÿapi.eveonline.comGÇÖ is not trusted.
ERROR: The certificate of GÇÿapi.eveonline.comGÇÖ hasn't got a known issuer. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1940
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Posted - 2012.10.17 13:23:00 -
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hfo df wrote:Hi, since the change today i'm getting: Quote: wget https://api.eveonline.com/--2012-10-17 12:40:40-- https://api.eveonline.com/Resolving api.eveonline.com... 87.237.39.199 Connecting to api.eveonline.com|87.237.39.199|:443... connected. ERROR: cannot verify api.eveonline.comGÇÖs certificate, issued by GÇ£/C=US/O=GeoTrust, Inc./CN=RapidSSL CAGÇ¥: Unable to locally verify the issuerGÇÖs authority. To connect to api.eveonline.com insecurely, use GÇÿ--no-check-certificateGÇÖ. and Quote:javax.net.ssl.SSLHandshakeException: sun.security.validator.ValidatorException: PKIX path building failed: sun.security.provider.certpath.SunCertPathBuilderException: unable to find valid certification path to requested target and Quote:ERROR: The certificate of GÇÿapi.eveonline.comGÇÖ is not trusted.
ERROR: The certificate of GÇÿapi.eveonline.comGÇÖ hasn't got a known issuer.
It's a typical noob mistake when a server admin just flips from http to https without thinking of the consequences.
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Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
Free 2 Play
90
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Posted - 2012.10.17 14:16:00 -
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i can confirm the issue on debian and ubuntu machine,
chrome from same machine seems to handle it fine though.
however it seems to be an issue with the certificate, not with my machine,
since other certs don't cause that error
3rdPartyEve.net - your catalogue for 3rd party applications |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
166
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Posted - 2012.10.17 14:20:00 -
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The SSL cert issue is affecting every single Aura user right now. I do not want them to have to install a certificate to make it work. Can you guys please get your SSL cert resigned by well know CA? |
Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
Free 2 Play
90
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Posted - 2012.10.17 14:21:00 -
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Golden Gnu wrote:
A lot of older applications, that are no longer maintained, will be useless after you remove the old API keys.
If you move away from the current API, even more will follow.
IMHO 3rd party apps adds value to eve. You should support us - not fight us...
an application that is no longer maintained does only add value on the surface. its balast to everyone else,
and i prefer CCP to modernize stuff, especially after they gave every more than enough time to adopt the new keys.
its not CCP's fault if people are abandoning the software they launched. (and its a good reason why such software should be opensource anyways ;)
Golden Gnu wrote:jEveAssets already moved to CAKe, but, I still get people who can not figure out they need a separate corporation key.
so explain it better to them.
3rdPartyEve.net - your catalogue for 3rd party applications |
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