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I Love Boobies
Amarr All Hail Boobies
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Posted - 2011.07.24 02:17:00 -
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Why is spamming cans to uncloak people okay, but can art was considered a no no and was basically ruled an exploit? So since people can deploy as many cans as needed to uncloak as long as no lag is result of it, does that mean we can do can art again too as long as it doesn't cause lag?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.07.24 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: GM Homonoia
Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: GM Homonoia
Originally by: Ghoest It looks to me like we have GM drastically reinterpreting(effectively changing)the rules based her preferred play style when she was a player.
I can assure that this is not the case. Although I guess I should not be feeding the troll.
If you are going to start calling names based on people pointing out you effectively changing the rules - then you shouldnt be posting under a dev account.
Oh dear
I dont even get that??? You have a problem with my name?
You are just another noob player who got an entry level job in customer service and thinks its a big deal. And now you think its cool to call people troolls etc.
Youre talking about your game playing experience it means something - it doesnt. Ive been playing longer than you - and that doesnt mean anything either.
All that matters is how the rules are being interpreted an you just announced they are being interpreted in a new way.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.07.24 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
I dont even get that??? You have a problem with my name?
You are just another noob player who got an entry level job in customer service and thinks its a big deal. And now you think its cool to call people troolls etc.
Youre talking about your game playing experience it means something - it doesnt. Ive been playing longer than you - and that doesnt mean anything either.
All that matters is how the rules are being interpreted an you just announced they are being interpreted in a new way.
I like how you can start crying for no reason whatsoever. That is good to know.
You better call a psychiatrist too, Homonoia
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Taedrin
Gallente Zero Percent Tax Haven
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Posted - 2011.07.24 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: I Love Boobies Why is spamming cans to uncloak people okay, but can art was considered a no no and was basically ruled an exploit? So since people can deploy as many cans as needed to uncloak as long as no lag is result of it, does that mean we can do can art again too as long as it doesn't cause lag?
Because the number of cans required to create can art is much greater than a can or two to decloak someone on a bubble.
Can art requires at least a dozen or more cans, decloaking (if done right) only requires a handful. In fact, you only need one if you have a bubble on the gate (the scariest moment of my life which almost cost me my rapier)
In fact, there HAVE been cases where GM have declared that a dozen cans was too much for decloaking.
So you don't suddenly now have permission to start spamming cans everywhere in an attempt to decloak people. NOTHING HAS CHANGED WITH REGARDS TO THE RULES. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.07.24 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sentient Blade
Seems to me if you want to decloak someone you should have to use ships, not inanimate objects.
I have to agree somewhat here. It just caters a bit too much to the risk-free pvp attitude that has infested the game these days.
Anchor bubble, spam jetcans, sit in complete safety and wait for easy ganks. Run from everything that could remotely pose a threat.
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XIRUSPHERE
Gallente The 8th Order
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Posted - 2011.07.24 03:01:00 -
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CCP troll best troll, seems to be a lot more rolling with the punches lately and it's awesome
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Harendotes
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Posted - 2011.07.24 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: GM Homonoia
Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: GM Homonoia
I can assure that this is not the case. Although I guess I should not be feeding the troll.
If you are going to start calling names based on people pointing out you effectively changing the rules - then you shouldnt be posting under a dev account.
Oh dear
I dont even get that??? You have a problem with my name?
You are just another noob player who got an entry level job in customer service and thinks its a big deal. And now you think its cool to call people troolls etc.
Youre talking about your game playing experience it means something - it doesnt. Ive been playing longer than you - and that doesnt mean anything either.
All that matters is how the rules are being interpreted an you just announced they are being interpreted in a new way.
Hahahaha! U mad ?! You got owned mate, just admit it.
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Tom Gerard
Caldari Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.07.24 03:09:00 -
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Best way to do this is to have trial alts dropping cans, best part is when they die and get podded they create yet another new decloaking object
Ideally you want about 50 to 75 cans about 2km apart, this pretty much is a surefire way to kill the exploiting cloakers.
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.07.24 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest All that matters is how the rules are being interpreted an you just announced they are being interpreted in a new way.
Do you have any kind of statement to prove that claim?
The only thing I have ever heard is that it's not legal to dump stuff to the point where it creates lag; simply using cans or whathaveyou to decloak people has never been against the rulesà ùùù ôWe want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explainà aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?ö ù ÇÇP |
Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.24 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
The only thing I have ever heard is that it's not legal to dump stuff to the point where it creates lag; simply using cans or whathaveyou to decloak people has never been against the rulesà
That has been the only rule i've ever heard of myself. Ghoest is simply making the common troll error of "trying to hard."
Although he's a frequent offender in that catergory. Perhaps Tom here can help him improve. vOv
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KaarBaak
Minmatar No Option Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.07.24 03:30:00 -
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My question to Homonia would be:How do you determine what causes the lag?". Is it a simple 'order of precedence thing?'
Example- Gate camp fleet deploys bubbles and cans to catch cloakies. No lag...all is good. Ship jumps in and holds cloak....still no lag... All still good and legal. Cloaky dials up mates and they jump in...addition of players on grid and lag starts...cloaky calls 'foul' on the cans. Campers claim incoming fleet caused lag, not the cans.
Does the decision go to player-controlled object(ships) over the cans? Or is it based on the cans were there first? The campers didn't intend to cause lag and there wasn't any when they were set. Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2011.07.24 03:36:00 -
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are all these people really this stupid?
or are they trolling?
does it matter?
GM:"...common sense..." Players:"omfg waht does it mean double rainbows" /headasplosion
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GM Homonoia
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Posted - 2011.07.24 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: KaarBaak
My question to Homonia would be:How do you determine what causes the lag?". Is it a simple 'order of precedence thing?'
Example- Gate camp fleet deploys bubbles and cans to catch cloakies. No lag...all is good. Ship jumps in and holds cloak....still no lag... All still good and legal. Cloaky dials up mates and they jump in...addition of players on grid and lag starts...cloaky calls 'foul' on the cans. Campers claim incoming fleet caused lag, not the cans.
Does the decision go to player-controlled object(ships) over the cans? Or is it based on the cans were there first? The campers didn't intend to cause lag and there wasn't any when they were set.
We are talking about gate camps here (usually), which do not tend to involve large fleet engagements (usually). What usually happens is this:
1. We are informed that there are an insane amount of cans/drones/shuttles/whatever on a gate. 2. A GM goes to the gate in question (which is why, if petitioning this, you should always mention the actual gate, not just the system) and has a look. 3. Does warp in cause client lag for the GM? Does a second GM agree? If yes, offending items are destroyed. If no, no action is taken. 4. Exceptions, fringe cases, etc: - A big fight is already going on -> We almost never take action (there may be exceptions, but those fringe cases are too complicated to explain here). - The node the system is on is under a heavy load or is otherwise causing issues -> then it all depends on the situation and it needs a judgement call, usually taken by a senior or all GMs present. - Truly exceptional and unique circumstances -> then it all depends on the situation and it needs a judgement call, usually taken by a senior or all GMs present.
In the end the following question needs to be answered: Is the debris present in such amounts that it is a significant factor in causing lag?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.07.24 04:35:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 24/07/2011 04:35:36
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
Originally by: Tippia
The only thing I have ever heard is that it's not legal to dump stuff to the point where it creates lag; simply using cans or whathaveyou to decloak people has never been against the rulesà
That has been the only rule i've ever heard of myself. Ghoest is simply making the common troll error of "trying to hard."
Although he's a frequent offender in that catergory. Perhaps Tom here can help him improve. vOv
Mostly Im just saying the same thing over and over. I didnt think that was "hard' but maybe it is for you.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.24 04:54:00 -
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If there's a troll in your neighborhood Who ya gonna call? GHOESTBUSTERS
If there's something weird and it don't look good Who ya gonna call? GHOESTBUSTERS
I ain't afraid of no trolls I ain't afraid of no trolls
If ghoest's seeing things running through his head Who can ya call? GHOESTBUSTERS
An annoying troll spamming in your forums Who ya gonna call? GHOESTBUSTERS
I ain't afraid of no trolls I ain't afraid of no trolls
Who ya gonna call? GHOESTBUSTERS
If ya all alone pick up the phone and call GHOESTBUSTERS
I ain't afraid of no trolls I hear it likes being fed I ain't afraid of no troll Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah
Who ya gonna call? GHOESTBUSTERS
If you've had a dose of a freaky ghoest troll Ya better call GHOESTBUSTERS
Lemme tell ya something Bannin' makes me feel good!
I ain't afraid of no trolls I ain't afraid of no trolls
Don't get caught alone no no
GHOESTBUSTERS
When it comes through your thread Unless you just want some more I think you better call GHOESTBUSTERS
Who ya gonna call? GHOESTBUSTERS!
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Jessica Pink
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Posted - 2011.07.24 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: GM Homonoia
Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: GM Homonoia
Originally by: Ghoest It looks to me like we have GM drastically reinterpreting(effectively changing)the rules based her preferred play style when she was a player.
I can assure that this is not the case. Although I guess I should not be feeding the troll.
If you are going to start calling names based on people pointing out you effectively changing the rules - then you shouldnt be posting under a dev account.
Oh dear
LMAO
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Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.07.24 05:33:00 -
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Gettin counter-trolled pretty hard there ghoest.
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Trig Onami
Caldari Onami Corporation
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Posted - 2011.07.24 10:30:00 -
[48]
I was hoping CCP would start counter trolling 3 weeks ago. But today is fair enough. +9000 EVE. The most ambitious project on earth. |
Devious Relation
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Posted - 2011.07.24 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: GM Homonoia Normally I would direct anyone with specific question to our petition system. However, we get this question a lot and a large part of our players seem to think that this is an exploit; thus let me answer this question as clear as possible:
No, this is not an exploit and is fully allowed.
Using debris to decloak ships is a perfectly valid strategy. You can use cans, drones, and any other object that decloaks a ship. This is simply a clever use of normal game mechanics.
The Exception: The only thing you may not do is deploy so much debris that it causes lag.
How much debris will cause lag? Well, there is no hard answer for that as this is highly dependent on too many factors to formulate a definition that can always be applied. Common sense will need to be applied (and GMs have certain protocols to use to determine if it causes lag or not, to make sure that all GMs use the same benchmark).
Thank you very much Homonoia for clearing this up! I for one haven't been sure on this grey area for years. Great to know where i stand with my bubble trouble :)
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.07.24 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: Mag''s on 24/07/2011 10:59:25
Originally by: Kuronaga Remember that thread where everyone told me I was wrong?
Yea, Kuronaga remembers.
What now, carebears?
Actually you'll find I was correct and you moaned about it.
Edit: In fact many in that thread indicated de-cloaking ships was not an exploit, it always boils down to just how many objects you have.
Originally by: CCP Zulu Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
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Sadayiel
Caldari Inner Conflict
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Posted - 2011.07.24 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia are all these people really this stupid?
or are they trolling?
does it matter?
GM:"...common sense..." Players:"omfg waht does it mean double rainbows" /headasplosion
Nah Alia this is EVE, so there is a large, large part of the forum playerbase trying to bend over the rule so it fits to their ingame needs to claim they actuated rightfully and along the rules.
P.S: on the other hand i prefer frozen corpses, almost anyone shows them on overview and even harder to detect by plain sight, the perfect decloaking tool and Hey who knows maybe you can decloak someone with a friend or even their own frozen corpse Oh the irony !!
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firepup82
Missions Mining and Mayhem Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.07.24 12:56:00 -
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pretty sure this is the best customer service response i've seen in eve.
all around, bravo.
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Probe Alt
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Posted - 2011.07.24 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: firepup82 pretty sure this is the best customer service response i've seen in eve.
all around, bravo.
Agreed. Need more ccp employees not afraid to call out the a-holes on their BS.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.07.24 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 24/07/2011 13:34:26
Originally by: Kuronaga Gettin counter-trolled pretty hard there ghoest.
It seems to me that any CCP employee could start calling names when called out and would get the same type of applause from the fan boi set.
More or les the same as thread a few months ago where the Devs resorted using "wictionary" as the source for word definitions in response to being called out.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Remus Andromedus
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Posted - 2011.07.24 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: GM Homonoia
Originally by: Ghoest It looks to me like we have GM drastically reinterpreting(effectively changing)the rules based her preferred play style when she was a player.
I can assure that this is not the case. Although I guess I should not be feeding the troll.
Are you, or have you ever been a member of Goonswarm?
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Voith
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Posted - 2011.07.24 13:42:00 -
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People are calling BS because several times during the Goon v BoB wars bubble cages around BoB areas where taken offline by GMS even though they were not causing lag.
While the official policy may be not to take out bubble cages in reality it has happened multiple times.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.07.24 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest Edited by: Ghoest on 24/07/2011 13:34:26
Originally by: Kuronaga Gettin counter-trolled pretty hard there ghoest.
It seems to me that any CCP employee could start calling names when called out and would get the same type of applause from the fan boi set.
More or les the same as thread a few months ago where the Devs resorted using "wictionary" as the source for word definitions in response to being called out.
If i were you, I'd make a bunch of butthurt posts after getting ass stomped by a dev on a public forum
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Sadayiel
Caldari Inner Conflict
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Posted - 2011.07.24 13:46:00 -
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Edited by: Sadayiel on 24/07/2011 13:47:34
Originally by: Remus Andromedus
Originally by: GM Homonoia
Originally by: Ghoest It looks to me like we have GM drastically reinterpreting(effectively changing)the rules based her preferred play style when she was a player.
I can assure that this is not the case. Although I guess I should not be feeding the troll.
Are you, or have you ever been a member of Goonswarm?
This kind of rumours to bash CCP people amuses me.
In the past all CCP employes were part of BOB, then later they moved to PL and now it is they are part of GOONSWARM. So in the next 1-2 years they will be part of another massive/mean/ruling alliance and this crap can going on forever.
Tbh between the wannabe CCP fanbois, and the wannabe butthurt trolls this forums are just a mere shadow of the old times. Getting nostalgic i just miss Shikari and Hippoking
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.07.24 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Ghoest Edited by: Ghoest on 24/07/2011 13:34:26
Originally by: Kuronaga Gettin counter-trolled pretty hard there ghoest.
It seems to me that any CCP employee could start calling names when called out and would get the same type of applause from the fan boi set.
More or les the same as thread a few months ago where the Devs resorted using "wictionary" as the source for word definitions in response to being called out.
If i were you, I'd make a bunch of butthurt posts after getting ass stomped by a dev on a public forum
Isn't that what he is trying?
♫ When your ship gets blown to bits ♫ And you lose your Faction fits \☻/ Don't worry ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ Be Happy \☻/ |
Misunderstood Genius
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Posted - 2011.07.24 15:46:00 -
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I just can say that I petitioned a few times can dropping with success because what's for sure: more objects in grid will cause lag at the end. The first time it was round about 80 cans creating a "decloak-bubble" around a gate done by jump forth and back of a bigger camp. One time I got caught in my cloaker and I realized that I was lagged out, I tried to cloak after jumping in but it didn't work and I died immediately after that. The local response was: "Bad cans, eh?"
In all cases a GM removed the cans. In one case the GM got smacked in local for it. In the first extreme case I never saw the camp dropping cans again. Probably they got a warning? If so it would make no sense. Because when CCP says that this is not an exploit how should someone work out the limit and when you cross the limit then it's an exploit because you use it for lag?
My conclusion: you can't say that dropping cans is valid while a not defined number of cans causing lag is an exploit.
Personally I don't see an exploit by just using cans for tactics to catch cloakers or decloak recons warping into your mission pocket.
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