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Shanara As
Psy Corp Ltd.
464
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Posted - 2012.09.20 09:30:00 -
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hi there,
no worries, we wont talk names of systems here.
BUT,
i wonder for you guys: what makes up a great / good mining system ?
and what is your setup ?
let-¦s see. i am a noob so my list of priorities would look something like this:
-good logistics (refinery with 50% in sys or VERY close - 1 Jump max)
-plenty of belts
-players are rare
preferably highsec so gankers / pirates are less of a hassle.
setup:
pos (or the station with corp office)
as many mining chars as possible
booster ship in system
while reading some other posts i wonder if those systems still exist at all.
they all seem crowded with all belts chewed off and smallish rocks left....
"Gotta spend money to make money"
"A fool talks, a wise man listens"
"He who doesn-¦t wanna listen, talks the most"
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor
Intrepid Crossing
409
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Posted - 2012.09.20 11:09:00 -
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Get 6.7 standing with Quafe, and move to every shore. No one there and it's easy to get to dodixie. Great high sec mining area.
Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
Robert De'Arneth
50
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Posted - 2012.09.20 12:56:00 -
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When I deceide to take up mining, I looked for an NPC corp that was in 50+ systems, also made sure they were in the major hub regions. I grabbed my frig, did level 2 misisons until I could do 3. I then did 3's till I could do 4's. I then moved to a system of that corp that had a level 4 agent. This was before I joined a mining corp, after I joined a mining corp, things changed!! The fleet bosst we have are way to good to pass up.
Of course you want to be lower then .8, and yes as few people not in your corp as possible. You also want 2-3 systems where you can mine when your home is cleaned out.
And yes the systems still do exeist, you just have to be willing to move your ore/minerals to market. The closet hub where I mine is 9 jumps away.
By the way, we are looking for more miners!!! :) Shameless plug. |
Shanara As
Psy Corp Ltd.
481
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:11:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote:When I deceide to take up mining, I looked for an NPC corp that was in 50+ systems, also made sure they were in the major hub regions. I grabbed my frig, did level 2 misisons until I could do 3. I then did 3's till I could do 4's. I then moved to a system of that corp that had a level 4 agent. This was before I joined a mining corp, after I joined a mining corp, things changed!! The fleet bosst we have are way to good to pass up.
Of course you want to be lower then .8, and yes as few people not in your corp as possible. You also want 2-3 systems where you can mine when your home is cleaned out.
And yes the systems still do exeist, you just have to be willing to move your ore/minerals to market. The closet hub where I mine is 9 jumps away.
By the way, we are looking for more miners!!! :) Shameless plug.
i personalyl would never mine in a lvl4 mission hub.
mission runners attract pirates / canflippers and probers and such. all in all = people with skills in pissing other people off.
I am not into that right now. i just want some quiet relaxed mining going on, maybe have some likeminded individuals in local from time to time. but thats a bonus really.
the movement / logistics is nothing I am worried as of now.
"Gotta spend money to make money"
"A fool talks, a wise man listens"
"He who doesn-¦t wanna listen, talks the most"
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Idris Helion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:29:00 -
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Here are some pointers I've picked up over 5+ years of being a miner/industrialist in EVE.
1. The lower sec-status a system has, the better...until you get to .5. It' s a waste of time to mine in lowsec. Nullsec can be worth it, but only if you are part of a large and active corp/alliance. If you're a small corp or solo player, you'll make more money in highsec than anywhere else.
2. If you can fly an Orca or set up a POS, find a system with no stations. However, it should be close enough to a system *with* a station to make hauling your ore there for refining less of a burden. (Having high standings with the NPC station corp is also a plus.)
3. Look for systems with ice belts as well as ore belts, especially if you're operating out of a POS. You can either use the ice products to make your POS fuel, or just sell them on the market. It's boring work, but it makes for a decent augment to your mining income.
4. Diversify. Mining is pretty boring, and if that's all you ever do the game will become nothing but an endless grind-fest very fast. Do PI, do manufacturing, do missions, do exploration. In addition to keeping the game fresh for you, it's also a good way to have reliable streams of income if your mining activities get interrupted by incursions, gankers, wardecs, or whatever.
5. Don't bother with highsec grav sites if you're a miner/explorer. Seriously. They're not worth the trouble unless you can find one of the rare Hemorphite/Hedbergite/Jaspet sites. And even then it's barely worth the effort.
6. Listen to Chribba: Veldspar is almost always the best ore to mine. Year in and year out, you'll make more money mining Veld than any other ore. Look for systems with big fat Veld rocks in them. But since it takes a lot of trit to turn a profit, you need to be able to fly a freighter (or pay Red Frog to haul it to the market hub for you). (Also, Scordite is a good ore because pyerite is so high.)
7. Use mining drones! Too many solo/small-gang miners leave attack drones orbiting even when no rats are around, and that means you're giving up yield for nothing. Mining drones can bump your yield by 10% or more. Use them.
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Shanara As
Psy Corp Ltd.
481
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Posted - 2012.09.20 13:43:00 -
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Idris Helion wrote:Here are some pointers I've picked up over 5+ years of being a miner/industrialist in EVE.
1. The lower sec-status a system has, the better...until you get to .5. It' s a waste of time to mine in lowsec. Nullsec can be worth it, but only if you are part of a large and active corp/alliance. If you're a small corp or solo player, you'll make more money in highsec than anywhere else.
2. If you can fly an Orca or set up a POS, find a system with no stations. However, it should be close enough to a system *with* a station to make hauling your ore there for refining less of a burden. (Having high standings with the NPC station corp is also a plus.)
3. Look for systems with ice belts as well as ore belts, especially if you're operating out of a POS. You can either use the ice products to make your POS fuel, or just sell them on the market. It's boring work, but it makes for a decent augment to your mining income.
4. Diversify. Mining is pretty boring, and if that's all you ever do the game will become nothing but an endless grind-fest very fast. Do PI, do manufacturing, do missions, do exploration. In addition to keeping the game fresh for you, it's also a good way to have reliable streams of income if your mining activities get interrupted by incursions, gankers, wardecs, or whatever.
5. Don't bother with highsec grav sites if you're a miner/explorer. Seriously. They're not worth the trouble unless you can find one of the rare Hemorphite/Hedbergite/Jaspet sites. And even then it's barely worth the effort.
6. Listen to Chribba: Veldspar is almost always the best ore to mine. Year in and year out, you'll make more money mining Veld than any other ore. Look for systems with big fat Veld rocks in them. But since it takes a lot of trit to turn a profit, you need to be able to fly a freighter (or pay Red Frog to haul it to the market hub for you). (Also, Scordite is a good ore because pyerite is so high.)
7. Use mining drones! Too many solo/small-gang miners leave attack drones orbiting even when no rats are around, and that means you're giving up yield for nothing. Mining drones can bump your yield by 10% or more. Use them.
all good points and thanks for that.
I am currently exploring dotlan for the right system to set up...
and this (as other chars) are merely alts. my main will definitly do other stuff as well.
:-)
thx for the kind advice
"Gotta spend money to make money"
"A fool talks, a wise man listens"
"He who doesn-¦t wanna listen, talks the most"
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Idris Helion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.09.20 14:08:00 -
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Shanara As wrote:all good points and thanks for that.
I am currently exploring dotlan for the right system to set up...
and this (as other chars) are merely alts. my main will definitly do other stuff as well.
:-)
thx for the kind advice
I should explain further on why skilling up for an Orca is a good thing. It's not so much to provide in-belt support (that's useful only if you mine in a gang of three or more), but rather to allow you to travel to different systems easily. You can fit 2 fully-fitted mining vessels in the Orca's ship hangar (or some other variant, as long as the total volume doesn't exceed 400,000m3). It's a great exploration-support vessel and a mid-grade hauler - it can haul way more than the biggest indy ship but less than a freighter, and if you put the goods int he corporate hangar cargo, it will be invisible to ship scanners. This, combined with the Orca's tough hide, makes it an unattractive target to gankers.
It sometimes makes sense even in small gangs to use an Orca in the belt for boosting and tractoring in cans, but it's not as efficient as having another mining vessel in the belt. Until you get up to four or five people in the mining gang, the Orca's main role is mainly as a hauler and fitted-ship mover, not a mining-support vessel. (Though there are still scenarios when using an Orca as a booster/support vessel makes sense: mission mining and salvaging is a good example. An Orca can pass through many deadspace gates that a mining barge can't. So you just throw a barge or two in your ship hangar, warp to the mission site, and salvage away while your missioning toon finishes off the rats. Then the missioning toon can switch to a barge and mine out any good roids in the area.)
Don't ever leave your Orca floating unpiloted in space! People look for that, and will jack your pretty Orca faster than you can blink if you leave it unattended.
For a highsec industrialist, the Orca is the best ship in your inventory aside from a barge/exhumer.
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AraniFyr
OmniStar.
The Revenant Order
76
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Posted - 2012.09.20 15:58:00 -
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The system need alot of belts, a low population, a 50% refinery, factory with empty slots, and a ice belt within a few jumps and preferably a nice station that has a good corp to mission for ( for taxes and if you also run missions ) and also decently close to a trade hub.
There are a few like this, if you want you can mail me in game and ill help you out. |
Denal Umbra
Coffee Hub
11
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Posted - 2012.09.20 16:15:00 -
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Ignore the systems where there are ice fields and most often than not, if it is near one. Ice mining for profit is not worth it and if you do want to do it, you can just leave a ship in one and shuttle there from your home base.
When i am looking for a new place to mine then it has to fulfill 4 criteria on dotlan.
-As few as possible ship kills in the last 24/48h (+check eve-kills to see longer statistics)
-has a 50% refinery
-As few jumps as possible in the last 24/48h
-be within 5-7 jumps of a trade hub
There are 100's of such systems and most often they have quite big roids that you can have a laser cycle for 5-7 times even. |
Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
51
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Posted - 2012.09.20 16:38:00 -
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Dear OP I have thee perfect system for you...eve mail me for info. |
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
47
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Posted - 2012.09.20 22:54:00 -
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Shanara As wrote:-good logistics (refinery with 50% in sys or VERY close - 1 Jump max)
-plenty of belts
-players are rare
Generous Buy Orders, for all the kinds of ore that appear in the system's belts, so that you can just dock, unload and sell. Then you don't have to worry about refining, or about hauling ore or even minerals out of the system.
And if you or anyone else want tips on good systems to mine in, in connected high-sec, contact me by EVEmail.
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Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2012.09.21 10:53:00 -
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Here are my personal requirements for a good mining system.
- Amarr space. For the kern, pryo, veld, scor.
- .5 or .5 sec status. Higher amounts of ore.
- Dead end system. I choose dead end systems because you have no pass though activity, this way you can tell who is coming to the system instead of just passing by (in local) which really helps with staying on guard for gankers.
- Station. To dump orca poo in.
- No ice field. Lowers the chances of gankers coming to system.
- At least a few jumps from lowsec. Lowers gank chances from pirates going on roams.
Once my alt corp character has standings for deploying POS's I will be deploying a small pos/corp hanger and mining in systems with no stations (less activity, better belts).
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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
63
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Posted - 2012.09.21 11:33:00 -
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High sec island.
Pirate buddies in front. |
Elinarien
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.09.21 15:15:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:Get 6.7 standing with Quafe, and move to every shore. No one there and it's easy to get to dodixie. Great high sec mining area.
I prefer the Fedmart stations with my mining alt as she can grind standing via security missions. But absolutely agreed there are some great locations in that region.
I've recently trained up another alt specifically for RvB and compared with Everyshore the Jita locale is rediculously overpopulated. Why anyone who thinks of trying to mine around there is just plain mad. |
Elinarien
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.09.21 15:26:00 -
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Shanara As wrote:
i personalyl would never mine in a lvl4 mission hub.
mission runners attract pirates / canflippers and probers and such. all in all = people with skills in pissing other people off.
I am not into that right now. i just want some quiet relaxed mining going on, maybe have some likeminded individuals in local from time to time. but thats a bonus really.
the movement / logistics is nothing I am worried as of now.
You'd be surprised. My mining alt spent a couple of weeks in Botane which is adjacent to Dodixie and it was very quiet. Not even so much as a sniff of a ganker. No stations though. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
1157
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Posted - 2012.09.21 15:52:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:High sec island.
Pirate buddies in front.
Lowsec deadend ... buddies all around  |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
916
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:03:00 -
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Shanara As wrote:
preferably highsec so gankers / pirates are less of a hassle.
Don't get complacent. Mining is still the most dangerous High Sec activity. |
Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
53
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Posted - 2012.09.22 00:29:00 -
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seriously lowsec isnt that bad to mine in. most of it is empty tbh. i mine in goinard all the time |
Vanria Vexed
Posiden Industrial
13
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Posted - 2012.09.22 04:28:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:High sec island.
Pirate buddies in front.
This is the way I roll.
Playing EVE at times feels like putting a 10000 piece puzzle together, enjoying the accomplishment of succedding in completing it, then having some random stranger walk by and flip your table over. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
917
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Posted - 2012.09.22 11:42:00 -
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Lady Naween wrote:seriously lowsec isnt that bad to mine in. most of it is empty tbh. i mine in goinard all the time
Probably not anymore now.  |
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
186
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Posted - 2012.09.25 15:22:00 -
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Backwater high sec system without a lot of traffic but at least a 40% refinery. (I still refine at 100% with a 40% refinery.) T
hen mine in the surrounding systems without stations. Mine to a small POS if it makes the logistics easier.
Refine all ore at the station at 100% the haul the minerals in full freighter loads to a trade hub 8-10 jumps away.
The huge rocks in the untouched belts more than make up for the time needed to freighter the minerals to market.
You also get the added bonus if anyone in corp like to do any exploring, these systems always have sites as they are not frequented by enough players to burn through them.
I just wish they would change the omber ore in the grav sites to pyrox, or scrodite. Most high sec grav sites are not worth doing.
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Sloane Sharke
Sharke and Finch LLP
0
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Posted - 2012.10.03 18:39:00 -
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There's a nice pocket of quiet .5 - .6 systems in the Mekashtad constellation in Derelik.
50% refinery at Thiarer and an ice belt in Orva.
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